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Topic: Would this count as strong helio composite?
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Aeline Knowflake Posts: 865 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted November 09, 2012 04:01 PM
Earth quincunx Venus EXACT Earth semisextile Mars EXACT Earth conjunct Karma 1 Earth opposite Angel 1 Earth sextile Psyche EXACTMercury conjunct Pluto EXACT Mercury conjunct Union 1 Venus trine Mars EXACT Venus quincunx Saturn EXACT Venus conjunct Amor 1 Venus square Psyche EXACT Mars square Saturn EXACT Mars trine Amor EXACT Mars semisextile Psyche EXACT Saturn quincunx Amor EXACT Saturn trine Psyche EXACT Uranus conjunct Spirit 1 Neptune quincunx DNA EXACT Pluto conjunct Union EXACT Chiron trine Karma EXACT Juno conjunct Valentine EXACT Karma opposite Angel EXACT Atlantis trine Spirit EXACT Amor square Psyche EXACT As you see, i took only the tighest aspects, lol. All i want to know - if this is considered strong, taken all the exact aspects of these, would a weak one be something like - only a couple of exact aspects?
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 4787 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 09, 2012 04:11 PM
Need. Visual. Please. IP: Logged |
Aeline Knowflake Posts: 865 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted November 09, 2012 04:15 PM
Ok, here you go. IP: Logged |
Aeline Knowflake Posts: 865 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted November 09, 2012 04:19 PM
Oh, ok, there are also things that pop out considering our natals. HC Psyche conjunct his natal Eros EXACT HC DNA conjunct my natal Moon, his natal DNA, his natal Amor, my natal Eros EXACT, LOL, in the place where there is a grand trine in Earth, and an asteroid missing, - it's Angel! I don't know why it's missing and where 2 Amors came from.
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 4787 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 09, 2012 04:21 PM
But yeah, it looks like it might be a strong one."Earth conjunct Karma 1 Earth opposite Angel 1 Earth sextile Psyche EXACT" Tight pattern of Earth, Karma, Angel and Psyche. Quite a purposeful and guided (Karma and Angel) soulful connection. "Mercury conjunct Pluto EXACT Mercury conjunct Union 1" I have just discovered I share that with someone as well. Exact Mercury - Pluto conjunction on the SGC trine Eros on Pleiades.
I like Mercury-Pluto. There is a real profoundness to it. "Venus trine Mars EXACT Venus conjunct Amor 1" Love these. unconditional love laced with physical attraction.
"Uranus conjunct Spirit 1" Yeah, my friend has that with her love. Definitely a major plus for intuitive spiritual connection.
I don´t think it is just the amount of any aspects in summary that make a helio composite "strong", but a) the patterns and b) tight aspects to Earth/Moon, Saturn, Karma, Pluto, Neptune, Angel, Spirit, Union - Venus, Amor, VAlentine, Eros, Psyche, Juno, soulmate pairings. c) if a certain degree is vibrating through different degrees. If you have something significant on the same degree or the neighbouring degrees in tropical snyastry, composite, Draco and helio composite. Any transit over this degree would make all the charts vibrate together. Intense. You better have something nice on that degree though. lol Wouldn`t want to have a resonance with only Saturn, Mars, Nessus, Lust.
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 4787 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 09, 2012 04:24 PM
Oh me likey composite! I like seeing those triangles (yeah, I know they are grand trines. lol though I am using a pretty strict 2/ 3 degree orb in composite)
Wait I have a composite to show as well just because I was quite gobsmacked when I saw it for the first time.
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 4787 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 09, 2012 04:32 PM
I cut the orb at 35%, but picked "draw all aspects"
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 4787 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 09, 2012 04:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aeline: and trine in Earth, and an asteroid missing, - it's Angel! I don't know why it's missing and where 2 Amors came from.
Yeah, it does that. I noticed that as well. It doubles one asteroid and leaves out another one. No clue why. I guess it happens only if you pick many asteroids though. IP: Logged |
Aeline Knowflake Posts: 865 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted November 09, 2012 04:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: I cut the orb at 35%, but picked "draw all aspects"
WOW! So that's why you like him! COOL! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 4787 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 09, 2012 04:49 PM
LOLSome charts are just fun to look at.
But you know the thing is, I really just like him. I am not even having a crush on him like most women or girls. I don´t know. I actually wondered about that. I should be totally crushing on him, but all I have is a certain admiration, especially for his engagement in environmental issues. IP: Logged |
Linda Jones Knowflake Posts: 1364 From: Registered: Jan 2012
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posted November 09, 2012 05:25 PM
Oh wow! These charts are like ------------------ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination IP: Logged |
Lioness Knowflake Posts: 5453 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted November 09, 2012 08:29 PM
I thought I would share mine Helio by 35% Juno conjunct Venus T-sq with Merc/Aprho/Neptune earth/moon/mars conjunct. Psyche there but too far? Aprho quix Venus Amor at 14Pisces but it didnt show.
Heres the Dr by 30% Not sure if these are considered strong or not... I notice Venus/Pluto in everything though.. Helio Synastry
DW Venus/Juno DW Earth,moon conjunct others Mars Maybe this explains why Im crazy.. lol
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Keela Knowflake Posts: 66 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted November 10, 2012 11:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Wait I have a composite to show as well just because I was quite gobsmacked when I saw it for the first time.
Me, too, me three, me five? ;P Hope you all don't mind me briefly joining in with a Helio composite, too. 35% orb, aspect lines to all. I hope I'm doing this right. Seems reasonably significant with the GC stellium, Atlantis trine Pluto and whatever, but what do others think? There's also Osiris 21'05 Ari sext Mars and inconj Pluto. Isis 3'43' Gem opp Union and square Jupiter should those matter. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 4787 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 10, 2012 12:15 PM
Keela,I think it is VERY significant actually You see how it seems to all point to the Earth/Moon-Venus conjunction? And it is conjunct GC - wow! IP: Logged |
Keela Knowflake Posts: 66 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted November 10, 2012 12:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: I think it is VERY significant actuallyYou see how it seems to all point to the Earth/Moon-Venus conjunction? And it is conjunct GC - wow!
Haha. I know. It's the helio composite for the chart I ended up poking at from different directions in the Linked aspects/Missing pieces thread. Since I knew what the Helio composite looked like it seemed worth a further look to figure out what was what - even IF the original starting point was to ask IQ and others about the Links and the rest. With all the red there would seem to be things happening or something to resolve one way or another, but beyond all that I'm still figuring things out. Chiron with Spirit, healing to do? Squares weren't as harsh on the Helio level, right? So it's a lot of action-prompting aspects but with less chance of conflicting views than normally with T-squares? Not that I wouldn't be used to squares since my own chart has patterns galore. If Helio was the higher self or future paths and Christ consciousness stuff and the Sabian for 26 Sag was "A Sculptor at Work", there's something being worked at or created I guess. "Watch this space"? IP: Logged |
Keela Knowflake Posts: 66 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted November 10, 2012 01:58 PM
Actually, Ceridwen, your hComp with Somerhalder has Neptune-Mars on the Great Attractor, too, doesn't it? Do Fixed stars have any bearing on helio composites, other than maybe something big like the Gal. centre or SGC? If they do, my hComp example has Saturn conj Spica-Arcturus as well. Jupiter is next to Fomalhaut and Spirit conj whichever one it was at 29 Pis-0 Aries. IP: Logged |
Aeline Knowflake Posts: 865 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted November 11, 2012 02:01 PM
Actually this is mine and my Love's Helio composite. Orbfact 35% and aspect lines to Chiron added. Just thought the pattern was interesting. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 4787 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 12, 2012 04:46 AM
Keela,"Squares weren't as harsh on the Helio level, right?" They say so. I think maybe they relate more to a greater activity? I`m not totally sure about squares in the helio though, there might still be differences there, just without the bitter arguing. "the Sabian for 26 Sag was "A Sculptor at Work", there's something being worked at or created I guess. "Watch this space"? " Yes, I agree. Also it is the Galactic centre, so it might be an "energy vortex". IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 4787 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 12, 2012 04:48 AM
quote: Originally posted by Keela: Actually, Ceridwen, your hComp with Somerhalder has Neptune-Mars on the Great Attractor, too, doesn't it? Do Fixed stars have any bearing on helio composites, other than maybe something big like the Gal. centre or SGC? If they do, my hComp example has Saturn conj Spica-Arcturus as well. Jupiter is next to Fomalhaut and Spirit conj whichever one it was at 29 Pis-0 Aries.
I think the fixed stars might still work. Not totally sure about this,b ut I guess so.
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 4787 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 12, 2012 04:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aeline: Actually this is mine and my Love's Helio composite. Orbfact 35% and aspect lines to Chiron added. Just thought the pattern was interesting.
Aeline, love your composite with the GT including Pluto, Venus, Mars and Chiron.
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 4787 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 12, 2012 05:04 AM
Some keywords (just did a little brainstorming, so the list might not be complete). composite
I. core connection EARTH: ° core of the connection ° defining "essence" ° "what`s it about?" UNION: ° indicates the union or connection as well
II. karmic markers
SATURN: ° the intended "lesson" or field of "work" ° maybe also what keeps them together KARMA ° their "task" ° what are they supposed to experience? III. spiritual objects ANGEL: ° "their guiding light" SPIRIT: ° spirit? IV. relating objects a) mental connection MERCURY: ° sharing of ideas and thoughts ° communication ° shared learning ° curiosity ° sharing of information ° friends/ siblings JUPITER: ° support ° teaching ° sharing of knowledge ° encouragement ° mentorship ° "the guru", the supportive uncle
CHIRON: ° transference of occult knowledge ° healing ° sharing of wisdom (gained by experiencing pain) ° true understanding
b) love-connection VENUS: ° sensuality ° beauty ° appreciation ° relating and balancing
AMOR: ° unconditional love ° compassion
VALENTINE: ° romantic sacrificial love c) passion MARS: ° energy ° drive ° desire ° assertion JUNO: ° passionate attraction within a committed relationship EROS: ° spark of life ° erotic attraction ° transformation through love
V. transformative/ transcendental energies URANUS: ° higher mind ° flashes of insight ° "new insights" ° sudden experiences, "bolt from the blue" NEPTUNE: ° spiritual love and romance ° flow of inspiration ° melting into each other
PLUTO: ° spiritual energy and desire (for transformation) ° cathartic experiences ° merging
VI. soulmate pairings
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Keela Knowflake Posts: 66 From: Registered: Oct 2012
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posted November 12, 2012 08:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Some keywords (just did a little brainstorming, so the list might not be complete).CHIRON: ° transference of occult knowledge ° healing ° sharing of wisdom (gained by experiencing pain) ° true understanding ...
Are you going to check more Sabians for clues in relation to the keyword type areas like in your other Helio comp post?
I note with great amusement that my helio comp has Karma's task as
"A woman, fecundated by her own spirit, is 'Great With Child'" so it's definitely producing something with that one and the Sculptor-Earth/Moon. Whether it'd be a mental (emotional? spiritual?) or an actual "child" of some sort would remain to be seen. Union: "Two Men Playing Chess" Yet more games or engaging of the other in some (playful as well as productive?) way.
Saturn (field of work, what keeps them together?): "A Butterfly With A Third Wing On Its Left Side" I think the interpretation of that one had something to do with spiritual themes but I have to read up on that again when I can. It's also their Helio Earth so significant through that.
Guiding light Angel: "Mankind's Vast And Enduring Effort To Reach For Knowledge Transferable From Generation To Generation" Continuing with the theme and possible past lives together. It's just widely inconjunct Chiron.
Spirit: "A Majestic Rock Formation Resembling A Face Is Idealized By A Boy Who Takes It As His Ideal Of Greatness, And As He Grows Up, Begins To Look Like It." Yay, we're heading toward our ideal/helio selves? ;P Mercury's with Earth + Moon, so mentally still sculpting, too. Jupiter's sharing of knowledge is "A Church Bazaar"? Take your pick, there's plenty of this and that here?
Chiron: "Light Breaking Into Many Colors As It Passes Through A Prism" True understanding/healing through many perspectives, or seeing how many beautiful different colours can come out of one? No idea. I rather like this one with all these Sabians so far though. Venus (relating + balancing?): "A Flag Bearer In A Battle" So as per the T-squares, sorting it out? At least everyone bears flags and isn't hiding their colours?
Amor: "On The Beach, Children Play While Shellfish Grope At The Edge Of The Water" Well, it's not a jarring one at least. Valentine's romantic sacrificial love: "A Train Entering A Tunnel" I'm stuck on Freudian interpretations for that so will need to check what the Net says about it. Dark times and not seeing the world around the train/love? Tunnels are there to be helpful though, so that you don't need to go around a whole mountain. Or then it is Freudian and about sex, too. :P Mars: "Three Fledglings In A Nest High In A Tree" Not quite the energy to fly yet? Or having chicks again? Being safe high up/in the nest?
Juno: "An Electrical Storm" Passionate, stormy, sparks-flying attraction? Eros: "An X-Ray Photograph" Transformation through love by seeing deeper or enabling you to see "through" each other? Uranus: "A Seeker After Occult Knowledge Is Reading An Ancient Scroll Which Illumines His Mind"
Our sudden flashes of insight seem to be based on the old here. Exactly opposite Chiron, anyway. Sudden insight opposite healing/true understanding/transference of occult knowledge? Helios hard at work sculpting something through all that. Neptune: "American Indians Making Camp After Moving Into A New Territory"
It was an ecological practise at least, and there's new territory to explore for the same group of people still in question? Spiritual love and romance/melting into each other/flow of inspiration combined with that, I guess it'd be settling into such regions only now, or something new about or in such parts? Old regions were well-known enough and it was time to move to something else? Pluto: "A Lion Tamer Displays His Skill And Character" Spiritual energy for transformation = walking in dangerous regions taming lions/each other? Skill at it though, whatever it is. "Don't try this at home" type cathartic experiences or merging?
You left out Psyche for now though, didn't you?
Psyche: "Bridging Physical Space And Social Distinctions, Two Men Communicate Telepathically" Y halo thar. That Sabian always amuses me since I have my Messenger there. So the Sabians still make it seem like something big, but as usual with these things it's difficult to say one thing or another without resolution on this level at this stage now.
I think Isis was 3 Gem so: "Holly And Mistletoe Reawaken Old Memories Of Christmas". Horus: "A Glass-Bottomed Boat Reveals Undersea Wonders" Osiris: "The Gate To The Garden Of All Fulfilled Desires"
Unitas: "A Relay Race" Siva: "Cupid Knocks At The Door Of A Human Heart" Kaali: "In The Heat Of The Noon Hour A Man Takes A Siesta" Boda: "A Pugilist Enters The Ring" A fighting union if nothing else, or being willing to fight for it or to enter the ring? Devine: "A Group Of Immigrants As They Fulfill The Requirements Of Entrance Into The New Country" Akashi: "A Man Revealing To His Students The Foundation Of An Inner Knowledge Upon Which A "New World" Could Be Built" Liebe: "A Theatrical Representation Of A Golden-Haired Goddess Of Opportuinity" Link: "A Man Succeeds In Expressing Himself Simultaneously In Two Realms"
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 4787 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 12, 2012 08:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by Keela: Are you going to check more Sabians for clues in relation to the keyword type areas like in your other Helio comp post?
Yes, I would check the Sabians of these objects. I also would pay attention to objects on GC or SGC, AND on the 29th and 00th degree of any sign, as this represent completing a phase or beginning something new. This would be most evident on 29 Pisces/ 00 Aries, but holds true for any other sign as well.
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Aeline Knowflake Posts: 865 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted November 12, 2012 12:24 PM
So, i’ll try to depitch the sabians of mine as well. First, of course, is Earth – „Pilgrims Climbing The Steep Steps Leading To A Mountain Shrine” – so i think this life should teach something new in our development, in our evolution we should climb higher than we did before, maybe we should even leave each other behind for that reason – in this particular life. Although the Earth sextiles Juno – „The King Of The Fairies Approaching His Domain” it leaves me a bit puzzled, although i could propose that what draws us together would not be understood with the mind – you can’t usually see fairies, now can you? You might deny their existence but in the end you’re still looking forward for them to be real. And it’s when you stop denying what you see with your inner vision, what others can’t see, you can truly understand the purpose of this meeting in this life. Next we could see Mercury as well it’s exactly conjunct Devine and i thought it’s a bit relevant, as in tropical synastry we have mutual Devine – ASC conjunction. The Sabian for that conjunction is : „The Dawn Of A New Day Reveals Everything Changed” So what was between us is completed, i guess, but it’s not the end – this new day, the new beginning. The old cycle is over, now we have to deal with what’s left. And what’s left is this Divine connection that leaves us still good friends never intentionally hurting each other. Now i’ll just take a quick look at Jupiter – Saturn opposition. As it may reveal something about karmic lesson of a higher order we might take – if we see Jupiter as a great teacher, great guru. Jupiter – „Meeting Of A Literary Society” and Saturn – „Soldier Receiving Two Awards For Bravery In Combat” Hmmm, how appropriate it seems. What we learn in our current life concerning each other, would help the society as well, and we might be rewarded for this lesson afterwards, if we take it right. This is how i see it. And, even better – Saturn is also opposite Chiron, it’s sabian – „Venetian Gondoliers Giving A Serenade”. It’s about happiness and social integration that precedes that. So i guess, if we take the lesson and get it completely, the Saturn, the society rewards us by giving us the happiness what we need. But not in the narrow sense of the word, but more of societal happiness, improvement of something more than individual ego’s needs. Now this interesting composition: Venus trine Mars, conjunct Pluto, trine Chiron, trine Jupiter. It’s a grand trine, including Venus, Pluto, Mars, Chiron and Jupiter. Jupiter – wider, but as astro.com still included it in 35% orbfact, i use it. • Venus - A Woman Draws Away Two Dark Curtains Closing The Entrance To A Sacred Pathway. It conjuncts Pluto – „A Woman, Fecundated By Her Own Spirit, Is "Great With Child"”. I guess it seems that in order to reveal higher potential this relationship no longer can be helpful – you have to dive into unknown to explore what lies ahead. That completely corresponds with our Moon – SN conjunction which implies that we are held back with this relationship... But still – we have to learn how to let go in order to get something even better, the same, i guess we’ll meet another time in a completely different quality, as it trines Mars „An Easter parrade” – but Easter symbolizes the ressurection, what was dead, became undead, became alive again. If we learn our lessons, we could as well have what we lost by making those mistakes that teared us apart. So i guess the Venus – Mars – Pluto here speak of the really meaningful connection that is between us also in the spirit. But unfortunately our past lives weren’t great in the terms of karma, so we have to pay for that. And here comes Chiron and Jupiter – they can help us overcome these mistakes, by learning, by understanding. And only then can we reach for this Chiron promise. I like how Saturn also gives it’s 5 cents into all of this, opposing Chiron. Union’s symbol is „Drowning Man is Being Rescued” It also corresponds well with the above! I guess those mistakes were huge and this life and our union serves as a „earn a second chance” gift. Again, by learning we are rescued. Or he is rescued? I like how these sabians strictly divide – woman and curtains, man and rescue... Karma’s Sabian „Illumined By A Shaft Of Light, A Large Cross Lies On Rocks Surrounded By Sea” conjunct exactly Unitas „A Girl Blowing A Bugle” I also found interesting Amor, being in a 30th degree of Cancer - A Daughter of The American Revolution. A glorification of the past, it says. Love we felt for each other in the past still is here, rooted deeply in our souls, that’s why we can still feel it like an echo from the ancient times. But i guess, this is not what we have to do in our current life. This phase is over and we need to move on. So hard. Oh wait! It's also Memoria here, conjunct Amor! - A Greek Muse Weighing Newborn Twins In Golden Scales Now that's even more interesting! A memory of that love - it's what i said above, isn't it? And i didn't notice this asteroid here - i mean, it was in the above chart, but i didn't think of it or remember it when i typed the text above, LOL. And this degree of Memoria just makes me - o_O No wonders i feel that love for him, that is coming from ages ago... Damned.
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Aeline Knowflake Posts: 865 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted November 12, 2012 12:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Some keywords (just did a little brainstorming, so the list might not be complete). composite
[b] I. core connection EARTH: ° core of the connection ° defining "essence" ° "what`s it about?" UNION: ° indicates the union or connection as well
II. karmic markers
SATURN: ° the intended "lesson" or field of "work" ° maybe also what keeps them together KARMA ° their "task" ° what are they supposed to experience? III. spiritual objects ANGEL: ° "their guiding light" SPIRIT: ° spirit? IV. relating objects a) mental connection MERCURY: ° sharing of ideas and thoughts ° communication ° shared learning ° curiosity ° sharing of information ° friends/ siblings JUPITER: ° support ° teaching ° sharing of knowledge ° encouragement ° mentorship ° "the guru", the supportive uncle
CHIRON: ° transference of occult knowledge ° healing ° sharing of wisdom (gained by experiencing pain) ° true understanding
b) love-connection VENUS: ° sensuality ° beauty ° appreciation ° relating and balancing
AMOR: ° unconditional love ° compassion
VALENTINE: ° romantic sacrificial love c) passion MARS: ° energy ° drive ° desire ° assertion JUNO: ° passionate attraction within a committed relationship EROS: ° spark of life ° erotic attraction ° transformation through love
V. transformative/ transcendental energies URANUS: ° higher mind ° flashes of insight ° "new insights" ° sudden experiences, "bolt from the blue" NEPTUNE: ° spiritual love and romance ° flow of inspiration ° melting into each other
PLUTO: ° spiritual energy and desire (for transformation) ° cathartic experiences ° merging
VI. soulmate pairings
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