posted January 06, 2013 09:40 AM            

my chart
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his chart
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synastry
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composite
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posted January 06, 2013 03:00 PM            

In synastry, Kaali-Mercury definitely seem to contribute to the Kundalini experience, I think.

In yours, his Mercury/Kaali conjunction is on your Asc., and your own Kaali is in a wide opposition to his Mercury.

In my synastry, it is my TF's natal KAALI/SAMADHI conjunction in the 7th that is in a 0-2 deg trine to my natal ALDEBARAN/MERCURY/NADA/ANGEL/INTERKOSMOS conjunction in the 2nd hse.

And my natal PARVATI is in a 1 deg quincunx to his MERCURY (ruler of his Desc).

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Your first meeting chart is also very interesting with the Kaali/Merc conjunction in the 7th being squared by Uranus in the 3rd and trined by Neptune in the 2nd.

Other aspects I find interesting in your first meeting chart--

~ Shiva/Parvati conjunction in the 3rd trined by Psyche in the 11th.

~ Isis trine Jupiter, Jupiter sextile Uranus, Uranus opposite Isis.

~ Moon/Pluto conjunction in the 1st making a GT with Pallas in the 4th and Saturn in the 8th.

~ BML conj Asc squaring Shiva/Parvati in the 3rd and exactly opposite Eros at the Desc, perhaps adding to the intensity of the whole experience.

I also like your natal Parvati/Nada conjunction in the 9th. Should definitely help with you being able to hear the "music of the spheres" as iQ refers to the sound of the Universe.

And your Parvati/Nada conjunction is exactly quincunx Anubis.

Also, your natal Shiva quincunx Parvati should also facilitate with Kundalini yoga. And from what I remember, you also have a natal Isis/Osiris conjunction. So the male/female energies are already so balanced in your chart, you definitely should have no problem experiencing Kundalini rise ... in my non-expert opinion of course

In my first meeting chart with my TF, I noticed the following--

~ 5th hse KAALI at 29 Cap exactly opp MERCURY at 29 Cancer.

~ 5th KAALI exactly sextile NN in the 7th.

~ 7th NN exactly trine 11th MERCURY and widely conjunct DESC.

~ BML conj ASC

~ BML at 23 Vir 31' exactly ... and I mean exactly! ... sextile PSYCHE at 23 Can 31.

~ BML/ASC square VALENTINE/IC/PLUTO conjunction.

~ SUN conjunct NADA conjunct ANUBIS in the 10th.

~ NADA/ANUBIS conjunction in the 10th is opposite PALLAS in the 4th (1 deg opposition)

~ JUPITER sextile PALLAS (1 deg)

~ GT between NADA/ANUBIS in the 10th, JUPITER in the 2nd, and URANUS in the 6th.

~ VENUS exactly conj EROS.

~ VALENTINE/IC exactly sextile NEPTUNE.

~ SATURN conjunct JUNO conjunct MOON conjunct VESTA conjunct MARS ... all in the 11th hse and all squared by JUPITER in the 2nd.

~ RUDRA conj. ISIS in the 9th hse (in Gem)

~ RUDRA/ISIS sextile JUNO/MOON/VESTA

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In our composite we have an exact MAHAKALA/KAALI conjunction (36 mins) in the 5th hse.

(Mahakala is another name for Shiva ... Kala is masculine, Kaali is feminine in Hindi. The other names for Shiva are Rudra and Shankar. Shiva and Shankar are used equally among the Hindus, and very often they are used together as in, a Shiv-Shankar Temple for example. For Parvati I'm also using Kaali and Tara).

So the MAHAKALA/KAALI conjunction in the 5th hse (in my composite) is in a 0-2 trine with an exact CUPIDO/VALENTINE/CERES conjuntion in the composite 1st hse.

I think I'm now beginning to believe that someone significant in one's life can definitely contribute to the triggering of Kundalini experiences as I too have had this happen with my TF. And this is in addition to the constant vibes I pick up from him when we're physically apart. So it would make sense that Mercury should play a significant part in this type of connection.

Thanks again for showing the visual of your synastry. It is quite amazing!

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted January 06, 2013 03:19 PM            

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posted January 07, 2013 06:21 AM            

"In synastry, Kaali-Mercury definitely seem to contribute to the Kundalini experience, I think."
Yes, I can see that. I wonder why it is mercury though. But then again he is the "messenger" and helps us verbalize or even understand our own emotions. Maybe he is so strong in this, as through his participation we are able to be aware of what is happening to us.

"In yours, his Mercury/Kaali conjunction is on your Asc., and your own Kaali is in a wide opposition to his Mercury."
you´re right. I hadn´t really seen it before, but it makes sense. I suppose it also has a lot to do with his voice. I am definitely quite sensitive to it.

"In my synastry, it is my TF's natal KAALI/SAMADHI conjunction in the 7th that is in a 0-2 deg trine to my natal ALDEBARAN/MERCURY/NADA/ANGEL/INTERKOSMOS conjunction in the 2nd hse."
So also, a Kaali-mercury aspect in synastry.

"And my natal PARVATI is in a 1 deg quincunx to his MERCURY (ruler of his Desc)."
Funnily, mercury also rules my and the guy`s DESC. maybe that strengthens it for us.

"Your first meeting chart is also very interesting with the Kaali/Merc conjunction in the 7th being squared by Uranus in the 3rd and trined by Neptune in the 2nd."
yes, actually this mirrors the synastry and natals as well. It mirrors his natal Mercury/Kaali-conjunction and my Neptune is conjunct his Mercury.

As a matter of fact in my 12th harmonic chart I have Mercury opposite Neptune.
Though Kaali is not connected to Mercury in my chart, I find it interesting that it is in Mercury-ruled Gemini.

"~ Shiva/Parvati conjunction in the 3rd trined by Psyche in the 11th."
Yeah, I almost choked when i saw that. LOL
And it is trine my natal Siva and squares my natal Kaali.

Interestingly at that time his progressed Parvati had been on 13 Pisces, conjunct the first meeting charts conjunction of Siva and Parvati and trine my natal Siva.

his pr Siva had been trine my natal Kaali.

Additionally my pr Psyche (and his pr psyche) had been conjunct his natal Eros - also in Pisces (on my name in his chart).

"~ Isis trine Jupiter, Jupiter sextile Uranus, Uranus opposite Isis."
A linked aspect.

"~ Moon/Pluto conjunction in the 1st making a GT with Pallas in the 4th and Saturn in the 8th."
I did not see that, but yes, it makessense. I think Pluto is also trine Pallas in the composite, as we both have it natally, though mine is tighter.

"~ BML conj Asc squaring Shiva/Parvati in the 3rd and exactly opposite Eros at the Desc, perhaps adding to the intensity of the whole experience."
Definitely did so.
Actually the BML-Eros along the ASC-DESC-axis was the most obvious to me.
BML also relates to Kundalini rising.
The ASC of the first meeting chart also falls onto my natal Neptune/NN-conjunction (and his Mercury).

"I also like your natal Parvati/Nada conjunction in the 9th."
Yes, me, too.

I also found it interesting that we have a DW of BML-Parvati-conjunction, which is on opposite ends.

"And your Parvati/Nada conjunction is exactly quincunx Anubis."
And his Siva.

"~ 5th hse KAALI at 29 Cap exactly opp MERCURY at 29 Cancer."
Wow, really a very strong aspect, too. And also relating to one of the romantic houses. Isn´t that interesting?

"~ BML conj ASC"
Like in our chart!
I think we are onto something with BML and Kaali, at least in our cases.

"~ VENUS exactly conj EROS.

~ VALENTINE/IC exactly sextile NEPTUNE."
I love that along with the Pluto on Valentine. So romantic, erotic and loving.

~" SATURN conjunct JUNO conjunct MOON conjunct VESTA conjunct MARS"
This is not a joke, very dedicated emotional realtionship there.

Funny enough in my 12th harmonic chart I have a conjunction of Moon, Saturn and Juno in Libra.

"our composite we have an exact MAHAKALA/KAALI conjunction (36 mins) in the 5th hse.2
WOW!

"Shiva and Shankar are used equally among the Hindus, and very often they are used together as in, a Shiv-Shankar Temple for example. For Parvati I'm also using Kaali and Tara)."
Now you´ve given me something more I can look up.

posted January 07, 2013 06:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
WOW Ceri
There is his Kaali on your ASC. I never saw that, before.

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I´ve never had that before either. I am not even sure how I should describe that. lol

posted January 07, 2013 06:33 AM            

what do you think of this?

posted January 08, 2013 11:06 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
WOW Ceri
There is his Kaali on your ASC. I never saw that, before.

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I shouldn't think it that unusual an occurrence since I have an exact double whammy of Kaali conj ASC both ways even with someone from the boards here. OneRuledByMars had their chart details somewhere and I noticed that. I've yet to actually exchange any words with him since he hasn't been around much, but it does happen.

posted January 09, 2013 04:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Linda Jones,

what do you think of this?

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Ceri, at first glance my eyes are bugging out! I'm assuming this this is the 12th harmonic of the First meeting chart.

Before I go into details, could you tell me if I'm correct in thinking that a conjunction in a 12th Harmonic is equal to 12 degrees?

Also what are the orbs for opposition, square, trine, and sextile in 12th Harmonic?

I took the liberty of plugging in some of the other Vedic asteroids in this 12th harmonic. Wait till you see what else you have! Pretty mind blowing imo!

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted January 09, 2013 05:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
I shouldn't think it that unusual an occurrence since I have an exact double whammy of Kaali conj ASC both ways even with someone from the boards here. OneRuledByMars had their chart details somewhere and I noticed that. I've yet to actually exchange any words with him since he hasn't been around much, but it does happen.

As for the rest of the post, thanks for posting that about Shankar. It seems to hold nicely given the chart of my parents having Siva-Parvati action already otherwise as it is, and now Shankar conj Kaali as well. Also her Parvati sextile his Shankar, I see, and my Draconic Shankar conj my Siva.

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You're welcome, Keela . Seems like your parents had past lives in India (matbe even you ... given your interest in Vedic asteroids from your previous thread/s). iQ has said that those who have several Vedic asteroids prominent in their charts, will most likely have had past lives in India.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted January 09, 2013 06:25 PM            

Also I think Psyche, Pallas, and Anubis play a role. With Uranus and Neptune thrown in as supporting and contributing.

"BML also relates to Kundalini rising."
You know, I've been thinking this too but haven't been able to formalize my thoughts into why this is so. BML's intensity, passion, and uncompromising desire for truth would perhaps be contributing factors. Not sure if there are any links available connecting BML to Kundalini. I wonder what your thoughts are on why BML relates to Kundalini awakening?

As far as the first meeting mirroring natals and composite ... I haven't looked in depth at mine ... but what jumped out right away is this --

My natal NN is in his 7th hse.
His natal NN is in my 7th hse.
Our composite NN is in the composite 7th hse.
First meeting NN is in the 7th hse widely conjunct the Desc.
Fated, I would say!

~" SATURN conjunct JUNO conjunct MOON conjunct VESTA conjunct MARS"
This is not a joke, very dedicated emotional realtionship there.
Yes, we both knew this was serious right away. And we're both completely dedicated, despite going through some difficult times.

Funny enough in my 12th harmonic chart I have a conjunction of Moon, Saturn and Juno in Libra."
I feel like this fits your approach and outlook on relationships.

I wanted to add smth about these Vedic aspects. You know how you have a Shiva-Kaali quincunx in you natal?

Well, I just realized that my TF has his natal Mahakala exactly conjunct his natal Tara ... as well as his natal Hanuman! And all 3 are conjunct my natal Sun!

Also his natal Shankar and Parvati are in a 1 deg sextile. So I'm beginning to see astrological evidence in his chart as well (other than the stars of David in mine) of him having past life line/s in India.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted January 10, 2013 09:29 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
You're welcome, Keela . Seems like your parents had past lives in India (maybe even you ... given your interest in Vedic asteroids from your previous thread/s). iQ has said that those who have several Vedic asteroids prominent in their charts, will most likely have had past lives in India.

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It's less a particular interest other than their happening to be what is there more than some other ones. Egyptian, Celtic and Indian ones all feature in different ways, for example. If something shows up, I'll likely look into it, that's all.

With Hanuman-ASC-Mahakala-Tara/Ganesa all within three degrees of each other from 6-9 Leo, the Vedic or Indian asteroids are likely going to feature one way or another. 1,5 degrees from Mahakala to Hanuman-ASC. My Shankar conjuncts the Siva of my mother, Parvati-ASC of my father, and I think my brother had his Tara there as well, so as ever the lineages show in one form or another. Shankar just provided me the hook or thing from my side as well.

posted January 11, 2013 04:14 AM            

"Ceri, at first glance my eyes are bugging out!"
Yes, I felt the same.
The symmetry was so striking, and including Sun, Moon, Venus and Mars.
Interestingly I have a Moon-Saturn-conjunction the 12th harmonic (natal) and he has got a Sun-Saturn-conjunction in his 12th harmonic (natal).
The first meeting chart´s 12th harmonic reflects that perfectly, like it was the perfect moment for us to meet.

Intersting, too, the 12th Jupiter-uranus-conjunction is conjunct our composite Sun and of course his Sun and my Sun-Mercury-conjunction. it is 3 degrees away from his Moon-MC-conjunction.

The first meeting chart`s 12th harmonic Venus is conjunct my BML exact (true one of course) and opposing his BML exact, and therefore also connected to PARVATI, as we have this DW of parvati-BML conjunction.

This 12th first meeting chart`s Vertex is also conjunct composite ASC exact (and Anubis naturally).

"I'm assuming this this is the 12th harmonic of the First meeting chart."
Yes

"efore I go into details, could you tell me if I'm correct in thinking that a conjunction in a 12th Harmonic is equal to 12 degrees?"
well, a conjunction of 12th degrees would relate to an aspect (any aspect that is a multiple of 30°) of 1° in the natal chart.

For example in the 12th harmonic the Pluto-Moon "conjunction" of 17° appears as a Pluto-Moon-conjunction with a bit over one degree in the first meeting chart itself.
however I tend to keep the orbs tighter in the harmonic charts.

however, Hambling gives these orbs (and actually these are the ones I have found repeated over and over in other books as well; seems harmonic astrolgoers are in more agreement about orbs than other astrologers. lol)

natal harmonics (synastric ones in brackets):
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conjunction: 12° (6°)
opposition: 6° (3°)
trine: 4° (2°)
square: 3° (1°30)
sextile: 2° (1°)

Personally I really count it if it is under 2°.

"Wait till you see what else you have! Pretty mind blowing imo!"
What do you mean?

Well, of course yes, I notice *something*.
Actually the first meeting chart itself is quite "big" int his regard.

Mercury is not only conjunct Kaali, but also conjuncts Mahakala; the conjunction between Kaali and Mahakala is 2°, so valid as well.
Also, Mahakala is conjunct my natal Mahakala (and Shakespeare).
And Tara is conjunct my natal Tara exact.

Siva and Parvati are conjunct (and trine my Siva).
Shankar is sextile Siva and Parvati (and opposite my Siva).

in the 12th harmonic of the first meeting chart

Rudra conjunct Pluto exact - now, that is quite a biggie I think.

Tara is on the SN. Probably the opposite to Mahakala is still valid, but I would like it to be closer.

parvati squares Mahakala exact though. *gulps*

Interestingly BML makes a GT with Moon/Saturn/Sun and Jupiter/Uranus.

BTW in our composite we have:

posted January 11, 2013 04:45 AM            

"Also I think Psyche, Pallas, and Anubis play a role. With Uranus and Neptune thrown in as supporting and contributing."
Funny you mention these. And I agree. Anubis also has a connection to the astral.

his psyche is conjunct Pallas and both are conjunct my Psyche, with the widest orb being about one degree. LOL
His Neptune conjuncts my Mercury exact. And his Uranus squares the Psyche/Pallas-Psyche-conjunction.
Anubis is conjunct the composite ASC in Aquarius.

"Not sure if there are any links available connecting BML to Kundalini. I wonder what your thoughts are on why BML relates to Kundalini awakening?"

Well, first of all the association of Lilith with the snake, and Kundalini, well you know.
But more than that because BML has lunar symbolism and reflects the relationship between Sun, Moon and Earth.

http://darkstarastrology.com/sexual-kundalini-awakening/
http://lilith.tribe.net/thread/41519f70-e818-41b0-b450-6cb16461a7d3
http://www.mysticmarguerite.com/WebDocs/Texts/LilithInfo.html
http://www.mountainastrologer.com/standards/editor%27s%20choice/articles/lilith_hunter/lilith.html
http://www.heliastar.com/triplegoddess.html

As far as the first meeting mirroring natals and composite ... I haven't looked in depth at mine ... but what jumped out right away is this --

My natal NN is in his 7th hse.
His natal NN is in my 7th hse.
Our composite NN is in the composite 7th hse.
First meeting NN is in the 7th hse widely conjunct the Desc.
Fated, I would say!

~" SATURN conjunct JUNO conjunct MOON conjunct VESTA conjunct MARS"
This is not a joke, very dedicated emotional realtionship there.
Yes, we both knew this was serious right away. And we're both completely dedicated, despite going through some difficult times.

Funny enough in my 12th harmonic chart I have a conjunction of Moon, Saturn and Juno in Libra."
I feel like this fits your approach and outlook on relationships.

I wanted to add smth about these Vedic aspects. You know how you have a Shiva-Kaali quincunx in you natal?

Well, I just realized that my TF has his natal Mahakala exactly conjunct his natal Tara ... as well as his natal Hanuman! And all 3 are conjunct my natal Sun!

Also his natal Shankar and Parvati are in a 1 deg sextile. So I'm beginning to see astrological evidence in his chart as well (other than the stars of David in mine) of him having past life line/s in India.

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posted January 11, 2013 06:19 AM            

"
I feel like this fits your approach and outlook on relationships."
I feel so, too.

"just realized that my TF has his natal Mahakala exactly conjunct his natal Tara ... as well as his natal Hanuman! And all 3 are conjunct my natal Sun!"
That is really cool, esp. with the conjunction to your Sun.
But who is Hanuman?

posted January 12, 2013 12:12 PM            

Meanwhile, THANK YOU for taking the time to answer with so much info. It's got my mind buzzing. Because I take longer to process astrology than you, please bear with me while I make my response.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted January 12, 2013 01:12 PM            

I hold the New Moon responsible, it was just a few minutes off my natal Sun/Moon-mp and Antivertex and opposite Eros (and squaring chiron and DNA by 1 degree), and it also was conjunct the composite`s Moon tightly, which is conjunct HIS Venus by roundabout 3-4 degrees.

And why do these memories keep on bubbling up, hu?
I don`t NEED this in my life right now. I`ve got enough to work out and reflect upon and actually DO.

As I said it`s probably just the New Moon, and it will fade again.
Actually I have been writing a long ongoing mail to you about this for the last days (yes, plural, DAYS!), but you`re probably not even going to receive it, as I am not sure I will ever finish it, will ever finish my thoughtprocesses.

posted January 12, 2013 01:20 PM            

mine

his

NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! :stomping foot repeatedly:

edit:
the synastric aspects between age harmonics themselves and between the AH and natal, using an 1°30, though those under one degree really count.

That is why I was stomping my foot like the obstinate child I really am (and usually can hide it prety well)