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Astro keen
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posted March 20, 2013 01:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is to provide a forum for the KARMA reference thread being put together. Please post any comments, questions and suggestions here.

All contributions for the reference thread will be gratefully received and included under the right headings.

ps. I am here more in a secretarial capacity, so I'm hoping someone else will chip in and help to answer questions.

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posted March 20, 2013 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there,

What does it mean to have Karma in the Dharma House H9?

I was also wondering if it meant anything that karma doesn't make any aspects with any planets at all?

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Hi there,

What does it mean to have Karma in the Dharma House H9?

I was also wondering if it meant anything that karma doesn't make any aspects with any planets at all?


Is Dharma house 9 the same as the 9th house?

This is a guess - if Karma is not aspecting any planets, it may mean that there are no additional karmic reasons/pressures which modify the qualities. So, that person could have greater freedom in charting their own destiny.

However, Saturn itself is a karmic planet. Anything aspecting Saturn shows karmic or past life influences, both positive and negative.

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posted March 20, 2013 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ Yes, the 9th house represents dharma, like the natural 9th ruler Jupiter is the Lord of Dharma.

Saturn is the Lord of Time and Karma, but he also is a rewarding planet,a planet that represents hard work,integrity,discipline, focused and grounded in reality,lots of good things, having planets aspected by saturn can't be all bad karma, Saturn molds us into serious,reliable,responsible individuals...whereas have been wondering if it's a good thing not to have aspects with karma in natal?Like if we settle the ones (karmic debts) in this present life, it means that we don't have any left over karmas from all previous lives may be? Don't know if am making much sense, if am not let me know It's just something have been thinking about based on what someone told me when I was in India..

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posted March 20, 2013 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My karma in aqua conjuncts my sun,saturn,mercury in pisces in 4th house and squares my north node and pluto in scorpio in 1st house.What do they mean?

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HI, please check out the KARMA thread. Many more aspects have been added and will be added, so you may find your answer

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posted March 20, 2013 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Astrokeen, just let me know when you are ready for me to delete KAALI edits, and I will. Hug!

And some reading for you: http://www.scribd.com/doc/131294006/The-Shambhala-Principle-by-Sakyong-Mipham#.UUoeZaUiw20

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
^^ Yes, the 9th house represents dharma, like the natural 9th ruler Jupiter is the Lord of Dharma.

Saturn is the Lord of Time and Karma, but he also is a rewarding planet,a planet that represents hard work,integrity,discipline, focused and grounded in reality,lots of good things, having planets aspected by saturn can't be all bad karma, Saturn molds us into serious,reliable,responsible individuals...whereas have been wondering if it's a good thing not to have aspects with karma in natal?Like if we settle the ones (karmic debts) in this present life, it means that we don't have any left over karmas from all previous lives may be? Don't know if am making much sense, if am not let me know It's just something have been thinking about based on what someone told me when I was in India..


HI Jessica,

I find the whole subject of Karma intriguing, have found many explanations but still have many questions. First of all, Hinduism adopts a very deterministic view of Karma which I have issues with. iQ, for example, subscribes mainly to that view and so do many well known yogis. I wonder if you read 'Autobiography of a Yogi". This describes how we generate karmic links, not just by our deeds but also by our very desires. These too would need to be fulfilled before one becomes free from their binds. Even souls that have attained enlightenment on earth must, after leaving earth, stay in the causal realm to fulfill those desires, which they can do by creating their own worlds!! Hence, the great emphasis in Buddhism on detachment from worldly desires as a means to Nirvana.

And what of free will? How does one incorporate apparently conflicting beliefs, such as Law of attraction and new ageism with the determinism of Karma. I find that new age beliefs allow the individual greater freedom and the will to chart our own destiny. According to these, the soul or higher self has greater choice, rebirth in the physical is not a forgone conclusion, i.e., we choose whether to use an earthly life to evolve further and learn lessons, or not, as there are other realms where one can also evolve. It is also the soul that selects certain experiences and challenges so as to best learn the next lessons. Punishment for past actions is not a feature of this scenario - experiencing and feeling the pain caused to others is punishment enough, which is what occurs after death.

There is much to ponder over!!

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Originally posted by imeanj:
@Astrokeen, just let me know when you are ready for me to delete KAALI edits, and I will. Hug!

And some reading for you: http://www.scribd.com/doc/131294006/The-Shambhala-Principle-by-Sakyong-Mipham#.UUoeZ aUiw20


Thanks for the link imeanj. I've read some Buddhist texts and have delved into Tich Nat Hahn's mindfulness practices but am not familiar with this book. Will read.

Also will sort the Kaali thread by tomorrow. Thanks

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posted March 20, 2013 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AshSkye     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does it mean if I have Karma conjunct my Sun/Moon midpoint in the 7th House Taurus?

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posted March 20, 2013 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for imeanj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pema Chodron may be helpful as well - similar to Thich Naht Hanh.

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Yes, I know of her. I attended an educators retreat with Thich Nat Hahn in London last year. He is quite lovely.

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posted March 21, 2013 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like you mentioned saturn as well represents karma, my question would be, what does it mean to have karma conjunct saturn in pisces in the 1st house?

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posted March 21, 2013 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astro keen:
HI Jessica,

I find the whole subject of Karma intriguing, have found many explanations but still have many questions. First of all, Hinduism adopts a very deterministic view of Karma which I have issues with. iQ, for example, subscribes mainly to that view and so do many well known yogis. I wonder if you read 'Autobiography of a Yogi". This describes how we generate karmic links, not just by our deeds but also by our very desires. These too would need to be fulfilled before one becomes free from their binds. Even souls that have attained enlightenment on earth must, after leaving earth, stay in the causal realm to fulfill those desires, which they can do by creating their own worlds!! Hence, the great emphasis in Buddhism on detachment from worldly desires as a means to Nirvana.

And what of free will? How does one incorporate apparently conflicting beliefs, such as Law of attraction and new ageism with the determinism of Karma. I find that new age beliefs allow the individual greater freedom and the will to chart our own destiny. According to these, the soul or higher self has greater choice, rebirth in the physical is not a forgone conclusion, i.e., we choose whether to use an earthly life to evolve further and learn lessons, or not, as there are other realms where one can also evolve. It is also the soul that selects certain experiences and challenges so as to best learn the next lessons. Punishment for past actions is not a feature of this scenario - experiencing and feeling the pain caused to others is punishment enough, which is what occurs after death.

There is much to ponder over!!


HI Astro

I agree, Hinduism does have a very deterministic approach to karma. Hinduism represents a huge beliefs system. There are so many religions and practices in Hinduism itself that have for the sole purpose of relieving us of our karmas.

I have beliefs of my own I would say.Worshipping and performing rituals are very important for the Hindus,they believe the power of faith can burn your karmas,the power of dharma can change your life,purify your soul to reach salvation... It is not so much as punishment for our past actions, I call it penance for our past actions.Settling the debts. One will call it punishment if they don't accept their mistakes.But am sure you would asked me- how can we accept mistakes that we don't know of?How can we pay penance for something we are not aware we have done in previous lives?

When we experience disappointments, loss, failures,that's when we take a hard look at our lives- we ask ourselves -why does it happen to ME and not to x,y,z. Why is it that despite being a good hearted person I have to face so many injustice in my life? Someone less deserving being promoted for instance..So we put emphasis on the word injustice of it all. We feel that the powers to be are working against us, that the balance of justice is off.I think coming to terms with our karmas itself is a huge and very difficult task to achieve both mentally and emotionally.

You are right, there is indeed too much to ponder on.

Have you heard of Nadi Astrology?

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Like you mentioned saturn as well represents karma, my question would be, what does it mean to have karma conjunct saturn in pisces in the 1st house?

Take a look at the Karma thread http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/001743.html

There is enough here to piece the info for yourself.

Saturn also means Physical/Mental Structure, All sorts of Rules, All Limitations, Restrictions and Long term Ambitions. Then look at KARMA in Signs and put it all together. Karma in Saturn would mean many challenges, however. Placement in the 1st house makes it is a defining feature of your chart. Which kind of challenges? You'll be able to tell.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jessica2407:

I agree, Hinduism does have a very deterministic approach to karma. Hinduism represents a huge beliefs system. There are so many religions and practices in Hinduism itself that have for the sole purpose of relieving us of our karmas.


I was born a Hindu and grew up with that fatalistic view, complexities and rituals. Yes, i've heard of Nadi but don't know much.

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posted March 21, 2013 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
''I was born a Hindu and grew up with that fatalistic view, complexities and rituals.''

Yup, me too

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posted March 21, 2013 05:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a suggestion, for reference threads, I think we should have them stickied on the top of the forum.

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posted March 21, 2013 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astro keen:
HI, please check out the KARMA thread. Many more aspects have been added and will be added, so you may find your answer

Thankss,I found it.

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Just a suggestion, for reference threads, I think we should have them stickied on the top of the forum.

I think so too. I have suggested to Randall that we should have permanent links to reference material which is easily accessible. Your suggestion is a very good one. We are not likely to have more than say 10 reference threads and if they occupy the top 10 places that would resolve the problem. These permanent links are certainly needed. Collating the material is time consuming, and once the effort has been made, the resource should be put to its best use. Perhaps we need more people making similar suggestions. The way the reference threads are currently displayed is only temporary, I hope.

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posted March 22, 2013 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well lets see "Saturn also means Physical/Mental Structure, All sorts of Rules, All Limitations, Restrictions and Long term Ambitions."

Karma mean deed or acts, technically burdens or positive things we are carrying from our actions in past lives , you said it could either be positive or negative karma am i right?
However i also read that usually retrograde planets are dished with more negative karma, for my bad "luck" (ironically ) :P , both my karma and saturn are retrograde

and it is in pisces

Im mentally or physically restricted in the 1st house, wich is the house of oneself, im very restricted about myself? whut? im not good at this haha

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Hi Jim,

A few quotes which may be helpful - here's one from another site -
'With Saturn in Pisces, there's a built-in pressure to meet uncertainty with courage and discipline. Your karmic tests show you how to cultivate faith, face your fears of being submerged, and learn how to manage emotional intensity.'

So, the challenges may be to be less fearful, less paranoid, and more positive. Does that sound as if it might apply to you?

With respect to the distinction between Satun and Karma - here's a useful quote from the KARMA thread -

"Saturn rules past life karma or actions. Asteroid Karma brings the most important past life actions into focus at the appropriate times. If Saturn be weapons, then asteroid Karma can be a slingshot in January, a Nuclear Bomb in Feb, a knife in March and so on."

Karma in Pisces can have many meanings - from the sublime to the scary. Retrograde Saturn and Karma may indicate mental challenges, however, knowing that can help you find solutions. Did you read this passage about what Karma in Pisces means?

The end of the karmic wheel! A native who could have transcended the highest Spiritual
realms of ecstatcy or crawled through life as an alcoholic or drug abuser.... Positively, this can be a native who was so selfless in thought and deed that this life will give a balance in the form of true knowledge or opening of the third eye/psychic powers and higher states of consciousness. Retrograde Karma here could mean chances of psychiatric illness, schizophrenia and more drug abuse. Great honesty, objectivity and self mastery is needed in this case for setting up the positive karmic loops to enable Neptunian rewards from this Asteroid placement."

it may be helpful for you to get a natal chart anlaysis to reveal where your strengths lie and how they support the positive aspects of Pisces.

I hope someone else chips in to give you more insights.

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does anyone know what child conjunct karma would be? (is by 1 or exact, in aries, 5th) as i can't blend these type of asteroids.

but an interesting thing is, i can't recall now if this related to the sabian of my sun or karma but the symbol .. was the unexploded bomb and the description of it did say something about never growing up which is very true for me. could this be echoed in this conjunction too?

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posted March 23, 2013 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is said that there are 4 types of karma according to Vedas

Sanchita Karma :accumulated actions, that is the sum of all karmas/deeds performed in this life and all previous lives.

Prarabdha Karma: Deeds that are set in motion. That part of sanchita karma that is being reaped by the individual,thus shaping events that will happen in his life.

Kriyamana karma : other words our free will in this present life we are living. Actions/thoughts/ whether positive/negative that are added to sanchita karma.

Agama Karma :Actions that we are planning in the future that may or may not happened depending our free will.

Gosh I hope I was clear, I tried explaining it as best as I could

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it's fine and reads well. These seem to be classified along a continuum from past to future.

is there any information on how Karma works in tandem with Freewill? These two are opposed to one another but co-exist.

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