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Glaucus
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posted March 12, 2008 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Mu'Min Bey is a Western and Vedic Astrologer of African American descent. He does Astrology from an African American perspective. He tends to write about social issues in regards to African Americans. His writing about them has caused controversy,and so he has been accused of stirring stuff up. He's the only astrologer that I have ever seen that posted about these things which I feel are important things that should be written about. Reading his posts got me interested in checking out social issues too. These things can definitely seem taboo...especially if you write posts about racism. Of course, I feel connection to him because he and I are into Astrology and share African American ancestry.


I checked to see what Eris is doing in his chart in regards to
stirring stuff up,controversy and race relations. He just seems the Erisian type to me.

I used the following asteroids in the following 3 charts signifying people of African descent
(11207 Black,1193 Africa,6391 Africano,8766 Niger)

Mu'Min Bey
Dec 2, 1968
9:43AM
Philadelphia, PA.

source of birthdata?
From his myspace which is public....anybody can see it.

About me:
Mu'Min M. Bey is a Western and Vedic Astrologer with 10 years of extensive study and experience. He learned his craft primarily through positive association with Vishnu Sharma, Ph.D., a 6th generation Vedic Astrologer hailing from Punjab, India. Mr. Bey has many interests in Astrology, primarily in the political, predictive, and counseling areas. Mr. Bey is a regular contributor to many of the Internet's most popular astrological forums. In addition, Mr. Bey has founded his own astrological discussion forum, known as The Pan Astrological Forum, found on the Topica.Com website. In the Fall of 2005, Mr. Bey also founded his blog, the Mu'Min Bey Astroblog (muminspeaks.blogspot.com). For nearly 5 years, Mr. Bey has been a volunteer instructor of Astrological Studies at Temple University's PASCEP program, which has been largely popular. Known for his incisive, and insightful writing, Mr. Bey's posts, letters and articles are considered welcome additions to the many forums he frequents; his approach, particularly in the area of Vedic Astrology, is considered fresh, modern and innovative. Mr. Bey's entrance into the World of Astrology promises a bright future for Astrology, both Western and Vedic. Mr. Bey was born on Dec 2, 1968 at 9.43AM, in Philadelphia, PA. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=14088815
http://muminspeaks.blogspot.com/2006/12/some-thoughts-on-astrology-race-n-word.html

His birthdata is also listed here http://muminbey.tripod.com/astrology/id6.html

My data:
October 29, 1971
3:20 AM
San Francisco,CA

American Slavery
Aug 30 1619
10.15AM LMT
(The chart itself is based on the research of well known Mundane Astrologer Marc Penfield, seen in the book "Astrology Looks at History", edited by Noel Tyl, 1995, in the chapter called, "Lincoln, The South & Slavery".)

His chart:
His Sun in 10'30 Sagittarius in 11th
His Eris in 11'15 Aries Retrograde in 3rd
His Africa in 12'12 Leo in 7th
(His grand trine of Sun,Africa,Eris.....with Eris in tight opposition to Sun/Africa Midpoint. looks like can easily stir stuff..especially when communicating)
I also think that it could be good for bringing race relations issues
into consciousness and raising awareness about them,and he does write
about social issues in regards to African Americans. He could be an
advocate/activist too.)


My chart:
Africano in 12'38 Aries Retrograde in 8th
Eris in 12'15 Aries Retrograde in 8th
Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini
Africa in 11'15 Aries in 8th
Chiron in 10'32 Aries Retrograde in 8th
Lunar Nodes in 10'29 Aquarius in 5th/Leo in 11th
(his Eris sextile my Midheaven with only 1 minute of arc and trine my
Africa exact,and that could that we are both connected through our
shared African American heritage. His Africa is trine my Eris with 2
minutes of arc. His Sun conjunct my Imum Coeli and trine my
Chiron-Africa also indicates our shared African American heritage that
has involved pain,wounds. A double whammy of an almost Eris trine Africa
seems rather significant.)

He was the first astrologer that I saw talk about African Slavery Chart which he uses to look at race relations involving African Americans. He considers it the chart for Black America.
Its Eris in 11'14 Gemini exactly conjunct my Midheaven,sexile my Africa with 1 minute of arc
and oppose his Sun with 44 minutes of arc could indicate that he and I are connected to each other through African slavery.....whether we were victims and/or perpetrators of slavery.


Sabian Symbol for 11'14 Gemini (12 Gemini) - A Black Slave-Girl Demands Her Rights Of Her Mistress


His chart:
Ascendant in 15'25 Capricorn
Moon in 14'54 Taurus in 4th
Niger in 14'16 Taurus Retrograde in 4th
Mars in 14'04 Libra in 9th
Black in 12'52 Taurus Retrograde in 4th
(With Moon-Black-Niger conjunction in Taurus reflects his being Black including his mother,roots as well as being conservative which he says that he is......Moon conj Mars in 9th quincunx Niger might indicate experiencing racism including called racial slurs).


He makes strong connections to my chart:
Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo
Niger in 13'47 Scorpio in 3rd
Uranus in 15'17 Libra in 2nd
(We both have close Niger-Ascendant to reflect our shared Black
ancestry. His Moon-Niger-Black trine Ascendant forms a kite with my
Ascendant sextile Niger,and so that could indicate that he feels
connected to me through our shared Black ancestry. My Uranus quincunx his Moon could indicate that I am too liberal for him. I am very liberal.....especially socially liberal with my ptolemaic unaspected Uranus in Libra reflecting my being liberal in relationships like interracial relationships and my belief that gay marriage should be a right.

His chart:
Africano in 6'32 Libra in 2nd
Lunar Nodes in 7'49 Aries in 2nd/Libra in 8th
Mercury in 8'00 Sagittarius
(Mercury sextile Africa-South Node conjunction in Libra can indicate communication about social issues about African Americans)

My chart:
Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius in 3rd
(His Mercury in 8'00 Sagittarius is conjunct my Jupiter in 8'17
Sagittarius in 3rd,and indicate he and I are connected through communicating about
racial issues.)


His Chart:
Jupiter in 2'31 Libra
Uranus in 3'23 Libra
(it seems like free spirited

My Chart:
Moon in 3'11 Pisces
(His Jupiter-Uranus quincunx my Moon can be a social activist connection which could be rather conflicting,tension-filled) My Uranus quincunx his Moon,and so a double whammy....can be rather unstable emotional connection and even feel out of sync with each other...which is true as he's a conservative,and I am a liberal as well as share different beliefs with his being a muslim and my beliefs fit in with Unitarian Universalism,Neopaganism,New Age,New Thought.


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NeptunianFire
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posted March 13, 2008 10:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you give of an example of his writing?

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Glaucus
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posted March 14, 2008 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep

here is his blog http://muminspeaks.blogspot.com/2005_01_01_archive.html

here is his myspace group,University of Astrology http://groups.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=groups.groupProfile&groupid=106005930&redirect=1&Mytoken=7C6840F6-B950-4813-96F887023BF4699D71770144

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posted March 22, 2013 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oracle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Glaucus:

I hope you get this blog. I love your interpretations on slavery in America and Mumin Bey's chart. I did a chart on myself using Black, Niger, African and Africana and I even used White, Ireland and Germany and America. I found some pretty interesting aspects and placements about myself. Black is in my 7th House African, and Africana in my 8th House and White in my 6th House bordering my 7th House. Ireland and Germany are in my 12th House. I did these two countries because they are part of my heritage.

You sure seem very knowledgeable. If at all possible I hope you and I can chat more on this. I even found another Astrologer, Samuel Reynolds, you may be familiar with him a Black male Astrologer who did a chart on slavery in America from when slavery began in the year 1619 in Jamestown, Virginia. I thought it was quite interesting for African-Americans and all Americans as well as inspiring from some of the interpretations. Samuel Reynolds founded the Astrology Career Institute.

I did a synastry chart on you and myself and Mumin Bey and myself and I guess that is why I found this thread and responded. Astrology never lies.

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posted March 22, 2013 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oracle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O K I see you are familiar with this gentleman.

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posted March 26, 2013 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting!!!!!

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Gemini sun 12th
Cancer asc 1st
Taurus moon 11th
Taurus venus 11th
Libra mars 3rd
Gemini mercury 11th

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posted March 27, 2013 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted April 21, 2013 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great case study. Moving to Asteroid Astrology.

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posted April 21, 2013 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know a lot of educated and bright african americans that study or are interested in subjects relating to racial inequality.
This is understandable because for the longest time they were all types of inequality for African americans.

So what he writes does not surprise me. Perhaps if he was a different race it would be more unusual. Its not strange for someone to be interested in their own culture and history.

I do find his writings interesting, so thanks for sharing it!
Btw his writing are about all types of issues dealing with equality from pro life/pro choice to gay marriage.

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bjorkstrand
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posted April 25, 2013 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bjorkstrand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eris has nothing to do with race.
See 2004 NT33.

Jim

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