posted April 30, 2013 07:16 AM              

while I am pretty aware of the strength of a Valentine-conjunction in composite (or synastry), i am not totally sure how to value other aspects, especially the sextile.

In the example case VALENTINE on 23 Scorpio (conjunct ANGEL and LUST both on 22 Scorpio)

opposite JUNO on 22 Taurus

and VALENTINE sextiles/ JUNO trines Moon on 22 Capricorn.

There is also a conjunction of ISIS on 24 Pisces and CERES on 23 Pisces trine/sextile the Valentine-Juno-opposition.

posted May 06, 2013 02:25 AM            

VALENTINE opposed JUNO would be a marker for a conflict between ideal love after the relationship starts versus the qualities in the lady as a wife. The ANGEL and LUST are permission from OverSoul Level for a very sexually charged life but the conflicts have to be overcome.

posted May 07, 2013 11:10 PM            

What's the difference with these type of aspects from synastry to composite? (In general terms)

Do you think it's more important to have in synastry or composite? Or would one out way the other some how?

What I'm asking is if it would be more powerful or have more meaning in synastry vs composite or visa versa..

posted May 08, 2013 04:05 PM              

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Originally posted by iQ:
Valentine to Moon is stronger than Valentine to other Love Asteroids. Planets always have precedence in "generating" Astral Energy, whereas Asteroids are more of "markers".

VALENTINE opposed JUNO would be a marker for a conflict between ideal love after the relationship starts versus the qualities in the lady as a wife. The ANGEL and LUST are permission from OverSoul Level for a very sexually charged life but the conflicts have to be overcome.

VALENTINE sextile JUNO is positive, a marker for strong communication of the attractive traits to increase love in the relationship.

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Thank you, IQ.
Well, I think I expressed myself a bit unclearly though, in respect to what Juno was aspecting.

In this case there is is an opposition of Juno and Valentine, with Moon being sextile to Valentine and trine to Juno. All within a degree.
And Ceres is actually trine Valentine and sextile Juno.

posted May 08, 2013 04:07 PM              

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Originally posted by Lioness:
IQ

What's the difference with these type of aspects from synastry to composite? (In general terms)

Do you think it's more important to have in synastry or composite? Or would one out way the other some how?

What I'm asking is if it would be more powerful or have more meaning in synastry vs composite or visa versa..

Or does it matter, as long as its in one or the other?

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Lioness,

if it appears as a tight conjunction/ opposition in composite, it means that there is already a resonance in the natals and/ or synastry, even though it might have gone undetected so far.

posted May 08, 2013 09:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Lioness,

if it appears as a tight conjunction/ opposition in composite, it means that there is already a resonance in the natals and/ or synastry, even though it might have gone undetected so far.

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Ok... Thank u...

Would you personally rather see an love asteroid connection in synastry or composite?

Of course both would be the most powerful,
My question is more what's the difference in it being in one chart and not another...
The easier aspects sextiles,trines)

posted May 09, 2013 06:43 AM              

In the composite Sun conjunct Amor represents a relationship built on unconditional love. That feeling resonates through the relationship.

Personally though I find it more important to check if this Sun/Amor in composite conjuncts or opposes any natal planets tightly. Cause it shows how much you care about the relationship really, and how you relate to it in personal ways.

But speaking of tight (2-3 degrees) conjunctions and oppositions in a composite, these always show the most important patterns in the whole compatibility.

There are several reasons for this,a s was pointed out in the book by David Cochrane.

Any tight conjunction or opposition in a composite (remember, we are talking about really really tight orbs here) is the result of certain patterns in natal and synastry:

1) a mutual cross - chart - angle.
This is what we usualy refer to as a Double Whammy in synastry. Just that it has to be the SAME aspect, but actually it does not even have to be a major aspect, it is enough if the angle is the same.

Example:
composite Moon conjunct Mercury

synastry:
his Moon sextile my Mercury: waning
his Mercury sextile my Moon: waxing

My Moon is AFTER his Mercury; his Moon is BEFORE my Mercury, so they are in the complimentary phase and end up as a conjunction in composite. Had they been in the same phase, it would have come up as a sextile in composite.

The same thing would have happened though if his Moon was 113 degrees before my Mercufy, and my Moon was 113 degrees after his Mercury. Though no aspect, the angle would have been the same, and hence it would have the same result.
however, if there is an underlying DW like that it is much more powerful and significant, and also you have to take into consideration WHAT aspect is underlying the composite conjunction.

In our case a sextile - so it could be termed a 6th harmonic (synastric sextiles) composite alignment/ conjunction.

2) there is a parallel angle in the natal charts, meaning that the planets in question are about the same distance from each other in other in both natal charts.
This is most powerful if the angle is an actual aspect (in the example we both have a septile between Moon and Mercury natally)

But bottomline is that the natal charts and synastry are the condition which result in a composite alignment, so it cannot really be separated as we like to do it.

Also think of it, any conjunction in the composite can happen because of very different synastric aspects, and it surely is a difference, if there is a trine or a square unerlying the conjunction.

As a bottom line I have come to the conclusion that these charts cannot be separated from each other, and that the composite has to always be interpreted in relation to the natal charts and the synastry.

And one of the most telling things I have found is the conjunctions/Oppositions of composite alignments to natal planets. They usually tell a whole lot of the story.

posted May 10, 2013 03:07 AM            

Although in synastry, harmonious connections are nice ... at the end of the day a lot of the reason why we connect with others on a deeper level has to do with the match between the energy interactions taking place in one person's chart being similar to what another person is experiencing in theirs, no matter whether they are in "aspect" or not (although an aspect does enhance the experience both natally and in synastry). Hence the importance of conjunctions and oppositions in composite. e.g. Sun and Moon in two individual charts with the identical degree of separation will produce two individuals who are experiencing the same energy vibration between the luminaries in their own charts and therefore will recognize each other as kindred spirits through this resonance EVEN if their outer personalities seem quite different based on synastry alone.

posted May 10, 2013 04:45 AM              

" no matter whether they are in "aspect" or not (although an aspect does enhance the experience both natally and in synastry)."
While I agree that the natal resonances are a vital basis for the feeling of connectedness, I also believe that aspects are necessary to actually DO the connecting. They provide the channels through which the energy can be exchanged.
So, I think that both is necessary; the resonance through shared aspects and the expression through actual aspects.
I do believe though that these aspects could also come up in composite to make such an exchange or expression possible.

And like Cochrane concludes at the very end of the chapter, even though the conjunctions/ oppositions "take the cake", the other very tight aspects in composite are also important, IF they are the result of a natal resonance.

"with the result that there is much more chance of resonance happening between the sun and these two, and therefore it signifies a general resonance because you have a relatively high chance of having it with everyone you meet."
Yes. While it is nice to have it, it is not especially "unique" for a certain relationship, and I believe other resonances have to come in play for the deep bond to form. But if that is happening (letīs say the people have a Moon-ASC resonance or Sun-Moon-resonance, too), then the Sun-Venus or Mercury-Venus can make for a very pleasurable exchange between two people.
Should the deeper resonances missing, it will still be pleasurable, but more on a noncommittal level.
Yes, I know that seems to speak against a love stellium as RAS proposes it.
But I think that in those love stellia that actually "work" like proposed, other resonances will be at play simultaneously.

"For the planets further out, if there is resonance, it may be on a more transcendent level, not so personal"
Yes, reminds me of the resonance-system I have with Jude Law.
The Neptune/ASC and Pluto/MC resonance is so overwhelming there. lol

We both have the conjunction natally; it comes up as exact conjunction synastrically (actually an ecclipse, as they are parallel as well) and of course the composite shows it again.

I guess he sort of is the externalized mirror for my Own Neptune and Pluto-energies (at least in terms of the angles)

REsonances through Uranus, Neptune and Pluto can have a TREMENDOUS impact on people; however it is often that there is a "spiritual agenda" coming with them, a transformational theme, and hence they are probably more karmic teachers than anything else.
Don`t get me wrong, these karmic teachers can be very binding (esp. in terms of Venus-Pluto this seems to be the case) and deepening the experience, but I still think there has to be something more personal in play, as well.

"The real clincher for me is a sun/moon resonance as it is a fundamental indicator of major personality integration."
Yes, I agree. Though I wouldn`t limit it necessarily to Sun to Moon. But basically any resonance with Sun (with the exception of MErcury and Venus), Moon, the angles, Vertex and also nodal axis (to personal planets) is very specific.

However the Sun-Moon-resonance is a very special case, as it represents the male-female polarity.

Also I want to mention, while Cochrane has it only as 3rd key to compatibility, I find the conjunctions/Oppositions of the composite to the natal absolutely vital for a connection.
It`s like they provide a hook to draw you in, and keep you hooked to that connection.

I`ve had wonderful composites with people I didn`t really care about. But when I looked more closely, it appeared that neither the luminaries or angles of the composite interacted with my chart in the mentioned way, nor did any composite planet trigger my luminaries or angles or Sun/Moon-mp.

posted June 03, 2018 07:16 PM            

Eros/Valentine/Sun/Mercury/Uranus