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Stella91
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posted May 02, 2013 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stella91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the asteroid America in Scorpio and my 8th House. Does this mean that:

a) I'll go through a major transformation in America?
b) I'll have lots of hot sex in America?
c) I'll die in America because of an STD?

And the irony is, I don't even like America! (it scares me!)

Aspect-wise, it forms a semisquare with my 10H Sagittarius Sun, a trine with my 5H Cancer Moon, a square with my 12H Aquarius Uranus & Pallas, a sextile with my 7H Virgo NN & P Fort, a conjunction with my Sisyphus & Hekate & Psyche & Chiron, a trine with my 1H Pisces Ceres & Europa and an opposition with my 2H Taurus Cupido.

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posted May 02, 2013 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The simplest meaning is that you have more to gain from other people's resources if you are working in USA or doing business in USA.

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posted May 02, 2013 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Stella91:
I have the asteroid America in Scorpio and my 8th House. Does this mean that:

a) I'll go through a major transformation in America?

b) I'll have lots of hot sex in America?

c) I'll die in America because of an STD?

And the irony is, I don't even like America! (it scares me!)



What???????????? (How dare you!!)

IMO, This thread is INAPPROPRIATE!

You are not one of OUR citizens, and yet YOU feel free to 'stealing the liberty' to use OUR American-based website to trash Americans?!

Hey, we, here in America,-- we might seem like we trash each other out politically---> BUT WOE when YOU, "an outsider" think you can trash our USA....

I read your LL 'asteroid astrology' TOPIC HEADING as a veiled THREAT... of Death to America, while you talk out of "the 'sides' of your mouth"!!! ---> Only need to remove that "question mark" to read what your REAL and "agenda" is behind your presence here at Lindaland! (How DARE YOU??)

I bless my country! I speak well of her! I speak Life to the USA!! I speak Protection and Prosperity to the USA!!

If you want to emigrate here, you are ONLY welcome if you can be an "asset" and NOT an ass! Only come to THIS country if you are hungry to be another "team member" who will pull this nation together, in spirit of Harmony and Unity! We are going through hard times as a nation... we need people who will pull FOR us, who want to Dream together. We may not be "perfect" but we are 'perfecting'... It's NOT a land for enemies to come and be free-loaders off our already-stressed economic system---- or people who think they'll 'get an std,' duh!!

Don't come here with your Diseased Attitudes towards Americans..... and live off them!

....... THAT is the "meaning" of an 8TH HOUSE--> The Resources of OTHERS (as iQ said). We've got higher standards than you seem to think! YOU don't match US!

It takes "quality" and "character" to be an American citizen. Just stay away from US.... We might tolerate a lot of outside criticisms of what we do, but I draw the line to YOUR moving here!! (I hope some big-brother governmental official finds this post, and makes sure you are PERSONALLY banned from entering on our soil.)

There are consequences to your words of filth---- "in the guise", "couched" in the "innocence", of ~~oooh, i'm just looking at my asteroid??~~~. yeah-right,--- that's such bull!!!!

Linda Goodman was/is American! Be respectful of your Hosts!!

Bottom line is to ask your Question as .....WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO EMIGRATE HERE?? plus, be screwing with "our" so-called STD-people??

If you don't have an STD, then don't screw!

And if you don't like our country, then stay OUT!!

IF YOU HATE US, then "common sense" says it's NOT for YOU....... STAY the #### away!!

....duh!? can it get more simple to solve YOUR problem than that????? sheeesh...

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mirage29, thre's lots of hidden traitors in American society who are FAAAAARARR WORSE than OP. I met alot during my time on the internet in other sites. At least she's not an American who's a keyboard commando about being anti-American on the internet but pretends to be patriotic IRL.

Also America is not all innocent like we think it is. The United States have done a lot of cruel stuff in its history. Its what turned me from being a Pro-Military fanatic to now being rather cynical of the military to the point I get accused of being Anti-American (even though I am merely facing blunt truths).

And OP never said she hated Americans, she just said she doesn't like the United States. BIG DIFFERENCE and just because you hold a negative view of the country doesn't mean you hate its citizenry.

I mean I got a Finiish friend whos coffs at the United States for thinking so high of itself as the "Freest" country in the world well in facrt many more such as her beloved Finland has mroe freedoms. But she doesn't hate AMericans now does she?

Also Ameerica isn't as great as we all think it is currently . I mean with all the things lately esp. the economy I expect a lot of immigrants to move back to their home country (and many Capricorns too such as my mom).

Oh how do you calculate your America?

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posted May 02, 2013 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stella91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
The simplest meaning is that you have more to gain from other people's resources if you are working in USA or doing business in USA.



Oh thank the Gods! The subject of death is something that scares me, but I also want to know as much as I can about it. The 8th House says a lot about how and perhaps when someone is going to die, and being as paranoid as I am... I must say I like your interpretation better!

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Originally posted by Stella91:
Oh thank the Gods! The subject of death is something that scares me, but I also want to know as much as I can about it. The 8th House says a lot about how and perhaps when someone is going to die, and being as paranoid as I am... I must say I like your interpretation better!


We need MORE MEMBERS like you around.

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Stella91
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posted May 02, 2013 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stella91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:

What???????????? (How dare you!!)

IMO, This thread is INAPPROPRIATE!

You are not one of OUR citizens, and yet YOU feel free to 'stealing the liberty' to use OUR American-based website to trash Americans?!

Hey, we, here in America,-- we might seem like we trash each other out politically---> BUT WOE when YOU, "an outsider" think you can trash our USA....

I read your LL 'asteroid astrology' TOPIC HEADING as a veiled THREAT... of Death to America, while you talk out of "the 'sides' of your mouth"!!! ---> Only need to remove that "question mark" to read what your REAL and "agenda" is behind your presence here at Lindaland! (How DARE YOU??)

I bless my country! I speak well of her! I speak Life to the USA!! I speak Protection and Prosperity to the USA!!

If you want to emigrate here, you are ONLY welcome if you can be an "asset" and NOT an ass! Only come to THIS country if you are hungry to be another "team member" who will pull this nation together, in spirit of Harmony and Unity! We are going through hard times as a nation... we need people who will pull FOR us, who want to Dream together. We may not be "perfect" but we are 'perfecting'... It's NOT a land for enemies to come and be free-loaders off our already-stressed economic system---- or people who think they'll 'get an std,' duh!!

Don't come here with your Diseased Attitudes towards Americans..... and live off them!

....... THAT is the "meaning" of an 8TH HOUSE--> The Resources of OTHERS (as iQ said). We've got higher standards than you seem to think! YOU don't match US!

It takes "quality" and "character" to be an American citizen. Just stay away from US.... We might tolerate a lot of outside criticisms of what we do, but I draw the line to YOUR moving here!! (I hope some big-brother governmental official finds this post, and makes sure you are PERSONALLY banned from entering on our soil.)

There are consequences to your words of filth---- "in the guise", "couched" in the "innocence", of ~~oooh, i'm just looking at my asteroid??~~~. yeah-right,--- that's such bull!!!!

Linda Goodman was/is American! Be [b]respectful of your Hosts!!

Bottom line is to ask your Question as .....WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO EMIGRATE HERE?? plus, be screwing with "our" so-called STD-people??

If you don't have an STD, then don't screw!

And if you don't like our country, then stay OUT!!

IF YOU HATE US, then "common sense" says it's NOT for YOU....... STAY the #### away!!

....duh!? can it get more simple to solve YOUR problem than that????? sheeesh... [/B]


When, where, and how did I trash America?

And yes, sometimes you trash each other but it's not an American thing, people of all countries do it.

Really? You believe my topic is a threat to America? Who do you think I am, Voldemort? I have lots of plans, you know. I want to find a part-time job to cover some of my expenses, I want to read the books I bought last year because I just hate seeing them sitting there, I want to get back in the game and find a new boyfriend, or a girlfriend (why not? just cause Gianna was a ***** ..), I want to send my best friends some awsome Turkish delights my neighbor brought me yesterday (they just melt in your mouth!) and I really want to get better at doing my make-up. Somehow, "killing" a country is not in my list of priorities. Also, how on earth COULD I kill a country? I'm not a God or Goddess, it's not exactly something in my abilities.

That is certainly an admirable trait. It's nice to be proud of your country. I wish I could say the same, but my country hasn't really done much for me or my family, and there's not much keeping me here.

You know, it's funny because I do plan on leaving my country and moving somewhere else, and that's exactly how I feel about that place. I want to work for that country, I want to offer. I want to make a life there. I want to become a true citizen, you know? But that country isn't America.

Oh right, since it opposes the 2nd House (personal posessions and resources) it would make sense for the 8th House to be the House of other people's resources. You know, I had read that before but somehow I didn't make the association. Thanks, I'll remember it from now! I have a few asteroids in 8H, so it's pretty useful

If your government pays people to look through astrology site posts... I can only imagine the taxes Americans must pay!

And please tell me when, where and how I expressed a wish to move to America.

I am new to this site, so I don't know the consequences to my actions, so I will contact a moderator right away. If he/she tells me I cannot post threads like this one, believe me I will delete my account as soon as possible. I would not like to be a member of a site that restricts my freedom of speech when, in the end, I didn't insult anyone.

Yes, I am aware. So are three of my four best friends, one is from Wisconsin, the other from Alabama and the other from New York. Can you please tell me where and how I said disrespectful words for Americans or Linda Goodman?

To be honest, I wouldn't like to live in America. And I really don't think I stated in any of my posts that I plan on emigrating there. How exactly did you get that idea? I would like to visit, because there are some beautiful places there (like Michigan!) but it's not in my Top 10 of places I want to visit. You can see some of the reasons why below, but there are some other ones as well. Mainly, America has some policies and laws that I'm against. Abortion is not allowed in all states, in adittion to gay marriage and adoption, birth control and I think there was a change in your laws considering rape, though I'm not sure about the last one.

No, I wouldn't like to have sex with American STD-people, for the same reason I wouldn't like to have sex with non-American STD-people. They have an STD and even with a condom, there is still a chance of getting it.

You're right, I don't have any STDs, but why does this mean I shouldn't have sex? :/

When exactly did I say I hate America or Americans? I said I don't like America because it scares me. If something scares me, than I don't like it, but it doesn't mean I hate it. America scares me because it's across an ocean, meaning I will have to go there either by boat or on plane. I can't swim so there is no way I'm going there by boat and flights scare me, especially long ones. I'm also scared of airports. Also, America is HUGE. It's practically a continent, and I'm not familiar with it. America also has deserts (in some places) and I'm scared of deserts too (so no Australia for me either).

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posted May 02, 2013 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And which America would this be?

Last I checked there is North America, Central, and South America.


Pretty stupid to hate a land because of the government. The trees and land did nothing to you.

Why are you so obsessed with that asteroid yet put down the land that carries its name? Secret obsession?


I am American by the way. North and South American.

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posted May 02, 2013 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stella91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
And which America would this be?

Last I checked there is North America, Central, and South America.


Pretty stupid to hate a land because of the government. The trees and land did nothing to you.

Why are you so obsessed with that asteroid yet put down the land that carries its name? Secret obsession?


I am American by the way. North and South American.


No idea whatsoever. The asteroid's name is America, plain and simple. Just America. It's asteroid 916 I think. If astro.com is wrong and the name is North America/Central America/South America, I'm pretty sure you can e-mail them. Most sites have a "Contact Us" option. I'll check it and tell you

I know, right? My best friend feels that way too; many people hate her country because of their politicians.

Obsessed? I am pretty fixated on certain Houses (7,8,12) but not asteroids and I don't hide this from anyone (why would I?). I do find them very interesting however, and I went through that giant astrodienst list of asteroids, wrote down the numbers of those that sparked my interest the most, and now I'm checking out their positions in my chart. There are so many asteroids out there, I think it's worth it if you have the time!

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posted May 02, 2013 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stella91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/916_America

916 America, no further information on whether it means North America, Central America or South America. What do you think?

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mirage29, girl calm down.

I don't know why people obsess over America so much we killed the natives, brought the blacks here and make them slaves.. a bunch of bullsh*t

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posted May 02, 2013 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ KarkaQueen... yeah, I know... It's sooo sad! I think about that too.

Loved the Addam's Family alternative of 'thanksgiving'...

(clip) Addams Family Thanksgiving [1:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVb9-8yiBPk


morte?... I don't know who/what "OP" means/is? (I love your writings btw)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buZZyUBwymA

<< EDIT ADDED: Morte! I found out... "OP" means Original Post!>>

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posted May 02, 2013 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wednesday Addams [8:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SRlUnoHEAY

Wednesday rocks!!!!!!!

songs = Frailty and Last regret from the band Paradise Lost.......

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posted May 02, 2013 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stella91:
When, where, and how did I trash America?

And yes, sometimes you trash each other but it's not an American thing, people of all countries do it.

Really? You believe my topic is a threat to America? Who do you think I am, Voldemort? I have lots of plans, you know. I want to find a part-time job to cover some of my expenses, I want to read the books I bought last year because I just hate seeing them sitting there, I want to get back in the game and find a new boyfriend, or a girlfriend (why not? just cause Gianna was a ***** ..), I want to send my best friends some awsome Turkish delights my neighbor brought me yesterday (they just melt in your mouth!) and I really want to get better at doing my make-up. Somehow, "killing" a country is not in my list of priorities. Also, how on earth COULD I kill a country? I'm not a God or Goddess, it's not exactly something in my abilities.

That is certainly an admirable trait. It's nice to be proud of your country. I wish I could say the same, but my country hasn't really done much for me or my family, and there's not much keeping me here.

You know, it's funny because I do plan on leaving my country and moving somewhere else, and that's exactly how I feel about that place. I want to work for that country, I want to offer. I want to make a life there. I want to become a true citizen, you know? But that country isn't America.

Oh right, since it opposes the 2nd House (personal posessions and resources) it would make sense for the 8th House to be the House of other people's resources. You know, I had read that before but somehow I didn't make the association. Thanks, I'll remember it from now! I have a few asteroids in 8H, so it's pretty useful

If your government pays people to look through astrology site posts... I can only imagine the taxes Americans must pay!

And please tell me when, where and how I expressed a wish to move to America.

I am new to this site, so I don't know the consequences to my actions, so I will contact a moderator right away. If he/she tells me I cannot post threads like this one, believe me I will delete my account as soon as possible. I would not like to be a member of a site that restricts my freedom of speech when, in the end, I didn't insult anyone.

Yes, I am aware. So are three of my four best friends, one is from Wisconsin, the other from Alabama and the other from New York. Can you please tell me where and how I said disrespectful words for Americans or Linda Goodman?

To be honest, I wouldn't like to live in America. And I really don't think I stated in any of my posts that I plan on emigrating there. How exactly did you get that idea? I would like to visit, because there are some beautiful places there (like Michigan!) but it's not in my Top 10 of places I want to visit. You can see some of the reasons why below, but there are some other ones as well. Mainly, America has some policies and laws that I'm against. Abortion is not allowed in all states, in adittion to gay marriage and adoption, birth control and I think there was a change in your laws considering rape, though I'm not sure about the last one.

No, I wouldn't like to have sex with American STD-people, for the same reason I wouldn't like to have sex with non-American STD-people. They have an STD and even with a condom, there is still a chance of getting it.

You're right, I don't have any STDs, but why does this mean I shouldn't have sex? :/

When exactly did I say I hate America or Americans? I said I don't like America because it scares me. If something scares me, than I don't like it, but it doesn't mean I hate it. America scares me because it's across an ocean, meaning I will have to go there either by boat or on plane. I can't swim so there is no way I'm going there by boat and flights scare me, especially long ones. I'm also scared of airports. Also, America is HUGE. It's practically a continent, and I'm not familiar with it. America also has deserts (in some places) and I'm scared of deserts too (so no Australia for me either).


I was born here

My father was AirForce for over 32 years.

My relatives fought in wars... one uncle was 2nd in command at the Battle of the Bulge, was highly decorated... and wounded... YET still "served" in human services, he and my aunt who left her money to that state for taking care of the children and families there.

I paid a price being the daughter of a man who ran out to save others who rioted in the streets because of civil rights in the 60s... My grandfather was a first responder, I lived with him for my first years...

Many of my family SERVED in government in USA and Canada........

I BELIEVE in NATION BUILDING..........

Why is everyone wanting to shred apart what my DNA sacrificed their LIVES to help build.......


Stop tearing her apart??

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Originally posted by mirage29:
I was born here

My father was AirForce for over 32 years.

My relatives fought in wars... one uncle was 2nd in command at the Battle of the Bulge, was highly decorated... and wounded... YET still "served" in human services, he and my aunt who left her money to that state for taking care of the children and families there.

I paid a price being the daughter of a man who ran out to save others who rioted in the streets because of civil rights in the 60s... My grandfather was a first responder, I lived with him for my first years...

Many of my family SERVED in government in USA and Canada........

I BELIEVE in NATION BUILDING..........

Why is everyone wanting to shred apart what my DNA sacrificed their LIVES to help build.......


Stop tearing her apart??



No offense, but you kinda are overreacting, and this is coming from someone whose various ancestors were either brought here by force and made to build this country for free (blacks); or whose other ancestors were here first only to be run off their land by force (native american), and has still more ancestors (Scottish) who were part of the aristocracy overseas, and their American-born offspring gave back to this country by helping to lead it in government office.

My own dad was also drafted for the Vietnam War when he was still so young, that he's gangly in the pictures and hadn't really put on his adult weight yet. ALL my people have given to this country and/or been s.crewed over by this country. I feel a strong mix of love/hate towards the United States, or to be more accurate, I'm a patriotic cynic (which makes sense considering my Mars is in Cancer with a slew of bad aspects to it - America is Cancerian, after all...). This country has so many good things about it, but there's a lot of bulls**t too so I absolutely understand anyone who is exasperated with, or actually dislikes, America. We (the country as a collective), have a lot to answer for, and a lot to work on. I'm a proud American...who can't wait to get the heck outta here and move to France or Sweden or something.

People aren't obligated to love or value something just because you do. People have a right to their opinion, even if it's not what you want to hear.

To the OP - the dislike and fear is probably because of the house placement. The eighth house is kind of an inherently dark house by nature, and it makes sense that having the asteroid land in that house, explains your uneasiness about the country.

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posted May 03, 2013 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chirp:

No offense, but you kinda are overreacting, and this is coming from someone whose various ancestors were either brought here by force and made to build this country for free (blacks); or whose other ancestors were here first only to be run off their land by force (native american), and has still more ancestors (Scottish) who were part of the aristocracy overseas, and their American-born offspring gave back to this country by helping to lead it in government office.

My own dad was also drafted for the Vietnam War when he was still so young, that he's gangly in the pictures and hadn't really put on his adult weight yet. ALL my people have given to this country and/or been s.crewed over by this country. I feel a strong mix of love/hate towards the United States, or to be more accurate, I'm a patriotic cynic (which makes sense considering my Mars is in Cancer with a slew of bad aspects to it - America is Cancerian, after all...). This country has so many good things about it, but there's a lot of bulls**t too so I absolutely understand anyone who is exasperated with, or actually dislikes, America. We (the country as a collective), have a lot to answer for, and a lot to work on. I'm a proud American...who can't wait to get the heck outta here and move to France or Sweden or something.

People aren't obligated to love or value something just because you do. People have a right to their opinion, even if it's not what you want to hear.

To the OP - the dislike and fear is probably because of the house placement. The eighth house is kind of an inherently dark house by nature, and it makes sense that having the asteroid land in that house, explains your uneasiness about the country.



Hi Chirp! I notice this is your FIRST post here at Lindaland...

Welcome


Thank you for your interesting answer.

I hope you get to pursue your Dream of moving to your new country of Sweden or France. I hope you find good friends there, and wish you the happiness you didn't find here... Sometimes a fresh-start with "new" people is what is needed. Gotta go where "the weather suits your pores."


I have a MarsCancer too, conj USAVenus.... My Uranus-Jupiter is also Cancer in 8th House. USA ASC and mine is conjunct within 1 degree. USA MC and mine are conjunct within 1 1/2 degrees. USA Neptune and my Moon are within a few degrees of each other...

I am touched that your father served in VietNam --- He deserves the best praise....

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posted May 03, 2013 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MorteImperator:
mirage29, thre's lots of hidden traitors in American society who are FAAAAARARR WORSE than OP. I met alot during my time on the internet in other sites. At least she's not an American who's a keyboard commando about being anti-American on the internet but pretends to be patriotic IRL.

Also America is not all innocent like we think it is. The United States have done a lot of cruel stuff in its history. Its what turned me from being a Pro-Military fanatic to now being rather cynical of the military to the point I get accused of being Anti-American (even though I am merely facing blunt truths).

And OP never said she hated Americans, she just said she doesn't like the United States. BIG DIFFERENCE and just because you hold a negative view of the country doesn't mean you hate its citizenry.

I mean I got a Finiish friend whos coffs at the United States for thinking so high of itself as the "Freest" country in the world well in facrt many more such as her beloved Finland has mroe freedoms. But she doesn't hate AMericans now does she?

Also Ameerica isn't as great as we all think it is currently . I mean with all the things lately esp. the economy I expect a lot of immigrants to move back to their home country (and many Capricorns too such as my mom).

Oh how do you calculate your America?


Thankyou for the kindness of your response MorteImperator...

I understand what you say... yes, I know you're right when you saw that there are many who are worse in other places on the net... (Doesn't make them right...)

Gently, I say to you that I'm someone who does not disassociate being an American with living in the USA.... To me, it's the same "family"! I am an American by birth and by choice. Chirp says she/he is an American by birth but not by CHOICE... she will flee the country, by her will.

But then, if you think of 'work teams'? It's usually better to let a person 'off' the team whose heart is not with the team and pulling in the same direction (or not pulling at all, but obstructing the work to be done).

Some countries have 'honor'.... After the West Virginia Tech Shooter, Korea called with apology. With the Boston Marathon Bombers, Russia called President Obama (USA/me) to apologize to our country...

These Leaders saw their citizen as extention of collective whole. I see MYSELF as an extention and ambassador of my own country. When foreign people see me, they know I am an American, and I behave in a way to 'honor' my country. I am each of my neighbors here.

We are as strong as our weakest representatives. If one falls, we all have fallen, then we help them get up.

(Beautiful Bostonians were shining examples at the Marathon explosions).

I get personally very embarrassed when gauche, unmannered, ignorant Americans go to foreign countries and act atrociously ... THEY do NOT represent "me"... but when foreigners hear 'I am an American?' then they're gonna think of the bad image they saw and felt.....

We each need to do our part. Respect and honor. Play and have fun, yessss of course! But please be very 'sensitive' --- to ALL Americans who are present here... Some think I've very conservative, but I am a Democrat at heart.

When people shout 'death to America' they shout threats to anyone "living" in America! If they nuke the United States, they are nuking ME.... I live and belong to this Land! I VOTE, and that vote helped elect people in Legislature. (Who are SUPPOSED to be voting "for me" but who are NOT!! arrrgh! )

.... But Morte... really, I know what your saying, okay.... Thanks for Caring!!!

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Originally posted by mirage29:

Hi Chirp! I notice this is your FIRST post here at Lindaland...

Welcome


Thank you for your interesting answer.

I hope you get to pursue your Dream of moving to your new country of Sweden or France. I hope you find good friends there, and wish you the happiness you didn't find here... Sometimes a fresh-start with "new" people is what is needed. Gotta go where "the weather suits your pores."


I have a MarsCancer too, conj USAVenus.... My Uranus-Jupiter is also Cancer in 8th House. USA ASC and mine is conjunct within 1 degree. USA MC and mine are conjunct within 1 1/2 degrees. USA Neptune and my Moon are within a few degrees of each other...

I am touched that your father served in VietNam --- He deserves the best praise....


That's...not quite what I said. Again, there's good and bad about the country and I've experienced both and have witnessed both happen to others firsthand, so any commentary along the lines of me fleeing the States because my entire experience here has been a living Hell is a bit inaccurate.

I found the "your new country" thing a little weird and slightly passive-aggressive, but okay. The fact is whether you like it or not, I am an American and you really can't strip me of my citizenship lmao. I was born here, and like I went into in my last post, it could probably be argued that some of my people were here longer than yours, and the ones that weren't, put just as much blood sweat and tears into this country as yours did, if not more. Not that I really want to get into a ******* contest over whose Ameri-peener is bigger, but if you really wanna go that route...

Even if I do choose to leave the country, and even if I do have some very real issues with a lot of the really nasty things about Ameican society, our culture, our laws, and how we as a country treat each other and the rest of the world, I am still an American, will still consider myself an American first and foremost, and the Founding Fathers actually appreciated total Freedom of Speech and the right to say anything you want, even if it's speaking about the negativity in the government and policy makers - which is why they fought tooth and nail and made sure to protect that in the Bill of Rights and Constitution. Hell, the entire reason this country came to be, was over the right to truly be free in all respects so in essence, your mindset and behavior here is actually un-American and goes against everything this country as founded on and all its creators, stood for.

Ironic, huh?

Love for your country (or a person) doesn't mean you have to blindly agree with and adore everything about them. You can totally appreciate something and acknowledge the sh*tty aspects of it at the same time, it's not an either/or thing and in honesty your stance is more than a little extremist - to me, anyway. Like I said, my Mars is in Cancer - so when people slam the United States for no good reason, I'm the first one jumping in to play the good citizen and fight for its honor because I genuinely love my country, but at the same time there's things about it, its policies, and its people that are genuinely disgusting and you will never ever see me sit there and condone the inexcusable.

And yeah - my dad did time in Vietnam - by force, punishment for evading the draft is prison time. Surely you see why I can't lump all-praise on a country that forced people to go out and risk their lives; interestingly enough, most of the draftees were poor and/or of color - somehow Uncle Sam decided to pick and choose who they'd toss out there to die and decided some lives were worth more than others - if my dad had been born a blonde whose daddy had connections at Harvard and Yale, the closest he would've gotten to 'Nam is watching the coverage on the Nightly News. Don't get me started on all the other things this country has done wrong or I'll be here for years typing.

My Greatttttttt-times-a-kabillion Grandpappy (Anselm McLaurin) did his best to try and make things better here too - he tried to make it illegal to beat your spouse, in an era where most people thought it was entirely natural and that they had every right to slap their wife around. They made sure THAT law didn't happen.

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Thankyou for the kindness of your response MorteImperator...

I understand what you say... yes, I know you're right when you saw that there are many who are worse in other places on the net... (Doesn't make them right...)

Gently, I say to you that I'm someone who does not disassociate being an American with living in the USA.... To me, it's the same "family"! I am an American by birth and by choice. Chirp says she/he is an American by birth but not by CHOICE... she will flee the country, by her will.

But then, if you think of 'work teams'? It's usually better to let a person 'off' the team whose heart is not with the team and pulling in the same direction (or not pulling at all, but obstructing the work to be done).

Some countries have 'honor'.... After the West Virginia Tech Shooter, Korea called with apology. With the Boston Marathon Bombers, Russia called President Obama (USA/me) to apologize to our country...

These Leaders saw their citizen as extention of collective whole. I see MYSELF as an extention and ambassador of my own country. When foreign people see me, they know I am an American, and I behave in a way to 'honor' my country. I am each of my neighbors here.

We are as strong as our weakest representatives. If one falls, we all have fallen, then we help them get up.

(Beautiful Bostonians were shining examples at the Marathon explosions).

I get personally very embarrassed when gauche, unmannered, ignorant Americans go to foreign countries and act atrociously ... THEY do NOT represent "me"... but when foreigners hear 'I am an American?' then they're gonna think of the bad image they saw and felt.....

We each need to do our part. Respect and honor. Play and have fun, yessss of course! But please be very 'sensitive' --- to ALL Americans who are present here... Some think I've very conservative, but I am a Democrat at heart.

When people shout 'death to America' they shout threats to anyone "living" in America! If they nuke the United States, they are nuking ME.... I live and belong to this Land! I VOTE, and that vote helped elect people in Legislature. (Who are SUPPOSED to be voting "for me" but who are NOT!! arrrgh! )

.... But Morte... really, I know what your saying, okay.... Thanks for Caring!!!


I'm curious - how are you really any different from the "gauche, ignorant" Americans who go to foreign countries and alienate the people? Truthfully, if your goal is to be an ambassador for the United States, you really aren't doing a good job if the way you reacted to the OP is any indication.

And your comment that people who can view America's faults square on and honestly acknowledge them, are somehow working "against the team" just seems really nonsensical to me; if anything, finding what's wrong, pointing it out, and working on it could only improve the country, not hurt it.

I'm gonna be honest, to me your mindset isn't all that different from the extremist terrorists shouting "Death to America!". It's the same dogmatic thing, even down to the way you try to discourage free thought by spinning it as a negative.

And yeah, the bombings in Boston was horrible. But so's the stuff we do to citizens over in other countries - where's your, "Oh, the Beautiful Innocent Iraqi civilians we've bombed!" If you care, that should extend to everybody, not just the people who happened to be born in the same place you were.

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You have a very interesting family history, mirage29. I also have two relatives that were involved in wars, my maternal great-great grandfather who fought in it, and my paternal great-grandfather who was almost executed by the Nazis but at the last moment, a truck of Revolutionaries passed by and grabbed him (he was at the end of the line, so it was easy to grab him).

Now, as interesting as our family history is, can you tell me why we're discussing it in a topic about Asteroid America and its position in the natal chart? I'll be happy to know its position in the natal charts of you and your family, and how (you think) it affected their lives, but if all you want to do is to show how American you are, do it elsewhere because it doesn't interest me. You are American. So what? It's a nationality, and most people have nationalities too. It's nothing special, it just is. Your feelings of pride for your nationality make it special FOR YOURSELF. And that's good, but it doesn't concern me.

In this topic, I didn't ask people to give me mini-essays on their countries, I asked people to tell me about Asteroid America in my chart. And like another poster said, last time she checked there is North America, Central America and South America.

If you consider me to be such a threat to the continent and want me to "STAY OUT OF IT" you can contact the government officials of the USA, Canada, Dominica, the Dominican Republic, Trinidad and Tobago, Cuba, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Antigua and Barbuda, Saint Lucia, the Barbados, the Bahamas, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Grenada, Haiti, Jamaica, Mexico, Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay and Venezuela, show them my LindaLand posts and, if you are right, they will immediately ban me from their countries.

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Originally posted by Chirp:
To the OP - the dislike and fear is probably because of the house placement. The eighth house is kind of an inherently dark house by nature, and it makes sense that having the asteroid land in that house, explains your uneasiness about the country.

Thank you! I have another thread about Cambridge, I would appreciate it if you could check it out and tell me what you think )))

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You have a very interesting family history, mirage29. I also have two relatives that were involved in wars, my maternal great-great grandfather who fought in it, and my paternal great-grandfather who was almost executed by the Nazis but at the last moment, a truck of Revolutionaries passed by and grabbed him (he was at the end of the line, so it was easy to grab him).

Now, as interesting as our family history is, can you tell me why we're discussing it in a topic about Asteroid America and its position in the natal chart? I'll be happy to know its position in the natal charts of you and your family, and how (you think) it affected their lives, but if all you want to do is to show how American you are, do it elsewhere because it doesn't interest me. You are American. So what? It's a nationality, and most people have nationalities too. It's nothing special, it just is. Your feelings of pride for your nationality make it special FOR YOURSELF. And that's good, but it doesn't concern me.

In this topic, I didn't ask people to give me mini-essays on their countries, I asked people to tell me about Asteroid America in my chart. And like another poster said, last time she checked there is North America, Central America and South America.

If you consider me to be such a threat to the continent and want me to "STAY OUT OF IT" you can contact the government officials of the USA, Canada, Dominica, the Dominican Republic, Trinidad and Tobago, Cuba, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Antigua and Barbuda, Saint Lucia, the Barbados, the Bahamas, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Grenada, Haiti, Jamaica, Mexico, Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay and Venezuela, show them my LindaLand posts and, if you are right, they will immediately ban me from their countries.


Wowzers you started off gentle but came in hard at the end there sweet Lord Jesus.

THAT WAS HARDCORE!

By the way, I kinda like ya. As an American citizen myself I say "Come on over!". I could take you to IHOP for pancakes and eggs. (nods eagerly)

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Thank you! I have another thread about Cambridge, I would appreciate it if you could check it out and tell me what you think )))


I can tell you that right now; iQ would probably say it means you had a past life there/and or some of your ancestors come from that area.

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posted May 03, 2013 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stella91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chirp:
Wowzers you started off gentle but came in hard at the end there sweet Lord Jesus.

THAT WAS HARDCORE!

By the way, I kinda like ya. As an American citizen myself I say "Come on over!". I could take you to IHOP for pancakes and eggs. (nods eagerly)


Lol thank you! You are so nice

I kinda like you too, and I !!!LOVE!!! pancakes.

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posted May 03, 2013 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stella91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chirp:
I can tell you that right now; iQ would probably say it means you had a past life there/and or some of your ancestors come from that area.

You don't even know the placement :P

It's Taurus/2H and Retrograde.

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