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Topic: Websites that allow more than 10 asteroids?
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Stella91
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posted May 03, 2013 05:46 AM
  
Astro.com is a wonderful site, but it only allows you to add 10 asteroids in the Extended Chart selection. Do you know any sites that allow more?Thanks in advance! IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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From: Uranus
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posted May 03, 2013 08:16 AM
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Stella91
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posted May 03, 2013 08:38 AM
Thank you very much! I'll go check it out now  IP: Logged |
Stella91
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posted May 03, 2013 08:58 AM
I can't really understand it. I can't see the house placements and aspects  IP: Logged |
Keela
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posted May 03, 2013 09:47 AM
Why not change the asteroids at Astrodienst every time then (if the problem is limited numbers)? Just hit back to add a new list. You're not forced to use the same asteroids every time. Sometime you'll probably mark down which asteroids are where whoever's chart you're looking at, so it makes little difference as long as you get the asteroids in any case. It is a little slow or tedious but the chart visual often looks clogged up even with ten asteroids. Serennu I think do it just with text on the longer lists. It's been a while since I checked so I may remember wrong though. And even with Serennu listing the first thousand asteroids at a time in one option, you'd still have to manually check where 4227 Kaali or something similar was in any case since it's not among the first 1000 numbered ones. Nor Amor, Union, Karma or many others talked about on the boards here. IP: Logged |
Stella91
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posted May 03, 2013 10:30 AM
Keela, I do that regularly, but with only 10 asteroids how can I know all the aspects? If there's an aspect between two asteroids but I don't put both of them in the asteroid options, I will never know about that aspect. And then we have aspect patterns. I have like five (or more) Grand Trines and more than three kites in my chart, but with all the replacing of asteroids I do, I keep losing them IP: Logged |
Chirp
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posted May 03, 2013 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by Stella91:
I can't really understand it. I can't see the house placements and aspects
Serennu dumps a billion on there all at once, and even then somehow there's alot they still don't include. I usually go Keela's route and have to keep deleting 'roids to make room for new ones. It's slower and definitely a pain when you want to see them all on the chart at the same time, but what can you do? I've wondered for years if a site the one you're asking about exists. I'm pretty sure it doesn't because I'd have found it by now LOL. IP: Logged |
Keela
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posted May 04, 2013 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by Stella91:
Keela, I do that regularly, but with only 10 asteroids how can I know all the aspects? If there's an aspect between two asteroids but I don't put both of them in the asteroid options, I will never know about that aspect.
Just a quick note, gotta run soon again. I very rarely pick Aspect Lines to All in any case, so basically it's just to remember or know the degree differences between different aspects and either have a "list" or mental image of what is 45, ~51, 72, 135 or maybe even 80 (binovile, if I have the English name right?) degrees away from some degree? And that's for the ones that aren't just seen like a trine or square. Do I take it that you don't "automatically" see nor are able to "count" the squares or trines from your positions? Three and four signs in one direction or another should be easy to visualize. If you have an asteroid list starting from what you have a 0, 1, 2, 3 and so on in Aries or every sign, you can always add in new asteroids as you discover them and just pop them in the right spot on your list and use that to see what touches what later. I have no easy solution to simultaneously seeing all the asteroids you ever may have checked if you don't have a personal list to remember more of them, I guess. If you have something at 25 degrees Cancer, say, you're very likely to find some number of asteroids more both on that, opposite it, trine it at 25 Sco and Pisces both, and square them, so... since there are thousands of asteroids, they're likely to make a LOT of patterns. I think IQ recommends only taking more notice of such if they're related inside a theme as well, and of course you'd pay attention if they hit some planet or angle of yours, too. He also recently said to ignore something like a semisextile in asteroids, so how much smaller or less potent aspects would work with most people is probably likewise under research. IP: Logged |
Stella91
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posted May 04, 2013 08:04 AM
I have a very bad relationship with Algebra and Geometry, so figuring out ANYTHING by myself is not an option. I can't calculate aspects, Parts of Fortune/Fate/Reicarnation, nothing.I consider many asteroids important, so I can't just pick 10. 20, yes, or even 15, but not 10 IP: Logged |
SaturnineMoth
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Registered: Aug 2012
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posted May 04, 2013 11:16 PM
Serennu's long list is a courtesy to users of the first thousand or so asteroids in their index, if I remember correctly. (they give an option to extend degree from 1 to 5 wide... but, nothing tighter, I think.) Serennu lists in their table for the date you select in universal time, to the degrees you select and will separate by house/cusp information too if you supply their query with your ASC placement, expanding give you the "type of body", to MPC (id number), type of body, then gives you the name of the body (if it has one other than MPC), I believe the next column after name was for position of the body like ~ 15 (degrees) ta (meaning taurus) 47" 1' (rx if retro, but I don't think they use sr, sd, d), and then it gives you the aspect it makes to another body starting with Sun (I think)... so Sun is "square" dwarf planet - after that it says what the degree location for that body it is aspecting is on... then it says their declination. ~ I don't really rely on Serennu, Astro gives more options, ephemeris go back further on astro too, if I remember right.) When I started charting the other celestial (or theoretical) bodies into my chart I used notepad. I listed each degree individually for each sign, so it would say, "ARIES - VIII - 1°19'45" (*cusp*) - Mars in Scorpio III - 1°30'11" and then list by line... 00°-29°
I then looked up, by the available compiled lists here and through the alphabetical list here Minor Planet Names: Alphabetical or through the astro.com selectable windows of the bodies I was interested in plotting into my chart at that time. Because of the limit on astro.com~ but the reliability of their service, I would then catalog those bodies and their reference numbers in another notepad/text document in 10s. (I still make these lists now and add them to the original set as I learn of more/others). So I have it like...
16,433,1388,2101,7088,3497,2212,40,627,151
Psyche, Eros, Aphrodite, Adonis, Ishtar, Inannen, Hephaistos, Harmonia, Charis, Abundantia and
399,26,1108,103,CERES, JUNO, h41,h57,57,24,
Persephone, Proserpina,CERES (check), Demeter, Hera, JUNO (check), HADES (Hypothetical), PROSERPINA (Hypothetical), Mnemosyne, Themis (just as examples...) It's time consuming but it did make things easier in the long run. You just continue to go back and fill in... I have some degrees in my chart that technically have two dozen bodies on them, star, dwarf planet, asteroids, theoretical/hypothetical placements, cusps, lots, etc, etc... I haven't counted all of them since adding more the past 3 times, I'm now playing catch up with my husband and son's charts... lol When you are done listing all the bodies you want into each sign, by house... you will be able to look at, for instance... your Moon in the 12th house Gemini on the 13* degree, and then look at the signs that square/trine/oppose it very easily by simply scrolling to them. (for accuracy you may still need to pull them up into astro, unless you chose to mark them with their exact degree to the second in your table.) When you get the hang of that you can begin finding the minor aspects as well, but you really shouldn't dive into everything all at once, get familiar with finding the basic aspects that are clearly visible by degree, then move onto "visualizing" and "calculating" those less common aspects on your own. It seems like a lot at first, I know... but, you will get the hang of it if you try, I swear! ^^ I'm terrible with math, god awful honestly!!! But, like Keela suggested, you get to a point where you are familiar and comfortable enough with the wheel that you begin to naturally break it down into those aspects in your mind near effortlessly. One thing at a time though~ >.<; lol I spent about two months researching the bodies I wanted to find, and listing their numerical IDs so I could draw them up on astro and input them in my notebooks, notepad/doc, and even had three lists on my ipod! >.<;;;; I should have slowed down a bit, by the 3rd-4th month I was exhausted from it. lol All the while I was trying to familiarize with spotting and understanding synastry aspects, minor aspect, transits, and it was all too much at once. OCD, and Mars-Pluto got the better of me there... I've toned it down though now, thank heavens. But, in my humble opinion, if you want to actually write out all of the aspects every asteroid/body makes in your chart you are inevitably going to be tired out faster, and probably harsher! ~__~ Plus, whatever you write them on will fill up reaaaaaaally fast, and might get quite messy... lol (ocd) >.>; try listing things out like I do, see if that helps you chart them and get use to aspects more. I think it couldn't hurt, at least!!! IDK why but I could see you having all these crazy lists with "body A is (Rx) = on the degree, of sign, of house... is TRI body B ..... of degree, of sign, of house... is SXT body.... is SQR of.... Ses.... bQ..."
 (you know, because I tried it that way once upon a time too and it was aaaaaawwwwful... had to scratch it.) ~make it easier for yourself anyway you feel comfortable. Don't get discouraged or frazzled though! <3 I have to reorganize mine into a better document, but haven't the time... I also keep midpoints separate from my list, even though I decided to add the Arabic lots into it. IDK if I like how it looks/functions now. I may completely separate stars, hypotheticals (since they're seldom used for anything of course), lots, and midpoints. I just don't like needing two things where one is just as good... lol *shakes fists at the heavens* darn astrology!!! I keep saying I'm going to stop adding more, but then, I find something I missed or an error, or something new and it just never ennndsss!!! grrr Sorry~ babbling, loooooong day, tired... <3 ^^ good luck Stella!!!  
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