posted May 23, 2013 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I would but we still don't have internet....today's first day Ive got internet on my phone, but its still to sketchy to rely on.
Weve had 3rd major tornado in 14years...n 2 have been the worst reported in history? Last huge one was may 3,1999....i cant remember exactly the time day but i think it was around 4:30/5ish...im sure it could be found on the internet.....if anyone wants to see what transits are similar?
What transits do you think might show when another is coming hopefully we have got our fair share n wont see any more!
My family has survived them but each time they get closer to my house....its terrible! I cant believe the path it took this time hit 3 of our schools....
This time its only a 2 blocks away from my home, everything's gone!
Why do we keep getting hit? Where is karma asteroid during this? Our first hit was 3:00 May 20, I know there's an asteroid Moore and Oklahoma....I've looked them up before....but I have no way to look at a chart right now....phone doesn't have the capacity to bring up the list of asteroids n number's.

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Sorry about the hard times Gabby, thoughts are with you.
i'll just copy this link from Serennu for May 20th...

May 20,Moore OK

Karma was conjunt House 6 and opposite House 12...but that's about it(i only used a difference of at most 2%). However a lot of squares between the other asteroids and houses 3 and 9.
I wouldn't know what that means though.

posted May 24, 2013 06:22 AM            

In the current tragedy, Asteroid OKLAHOMA and STORM were both Rx and conjunct within 2 degrees. NEMESIS and MOORE were conjunct to 2 degrees and Sun conjunct RUDRA [Terrible Aspect of Shiva, associated with loud Storms].

Asteroid OKLAHOMA in 1999 May 3rd squares MOORE exact in 2013. This is bizarre.
Also, in 1999, MOORE, Saturn and RUDRA conjunct.

To know further, we need the date and time of the formation of Oklahoma and the Moore Town.

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posted May 24, 2013 06:37 AM            

IQ, Infoplease says this about Oklahoma's founding

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Set aside as Indian Territory in 1834, the region was divided into Indian Territory and Oklahoma Territory on May 2, 1890. The two were combined to make a new state, Oklahoma, on Nov. 16, 1907.

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posted May 24, 2013 07:26 AM            

Well, using 16 Nov 19097 clearly explains this current tragedy as Oklahoma's Uranus is 10 Capricorn, getting maximum stress from Tr Uranus and Pluto. Their Moon is also hit by Uranus as Moon is 12 Aries [using 9 AM as official start of the day for the new State].

The people who chose this day had Zero Knowledge of Astrology, as they chose a day with Mercury Retrograde and Neptune Rx conjunct North Node.

When I used May 2, 1890 date it was a different kind of tragic pattern: Neptune square STORM exact. A Fate to suffer storms because of the sea. Is it not the moist air from Gulf that feeds the Tornado?

Transit Neptune is squaring the Pluto of this day exact, and squaring Natal Neptune within 1 degree.

Transit Asteroid STORM is conjunct Natal KARMA of the 1890 date as well.

Checking May 3rd 1999:
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Using 1890 date we have
Tr Neptune quincunx STORM
Tr STORM square KARMA
Tr NESSUS conjunct OKLAHOMA
Tr CHIRON oppose Natal Neptune and square STORM.

posted May 24, 2013 03:22 PM            

Once things settle down here some and I get internet back ill see what I need to find more on Moore's exact founding date and history...but wow, this city has taken a beating and im betting when I start looking deeper into our history its much worse than I know!

posted May 26, 2013 01:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Ariehnox:
Hello Gabby, I don't have anything to contribute sadly but my heart and well wishes goes for you and the people over there.

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posted May 28, 2013 01:11 AM            

Moore, OK if based on the May 27, 1889 date:
I'm going to go by the local web app I'm making for this. Anyhow...

North Node conjunct Sirius: This is very interesting, and bears watching. Sirius according to Constellation of Words:
"According to Ptolemy it is of the nature of Jupiter and Mars and, to Alvidas, of the Moon, Jupiter and Mars. It gives honor, renown, wealth, ardor, faithfulness, devotion, passion and resentment, and makes its natives custodians, curators and guardians. It also gives danger of dog bites, and two examples of this effect will be found under Procyon. [Robson*, p.208.]

Well connected, it promises fame, honors and riches. On the Ascendant and with Mars combined, Sirius can be quite dangerous, pushing ahead with too much ambition is then seen, resulting in dangers by injuries or attempts on the native's life. According to tradition, Sirius will give a famous death with honors beyond the grave, if positioned in the 8th house. In good aspect with Mars and Jupiter and close to the MC, promise is given of gaining extensive wealth, a lucky hand in commercial enterprise or matters of government. This star so placed is most excellent for military, lawyers and civil servants. Sirius in conjunction with the Sun and well placed in the chart will be found to be the case with numerous important and famous personalities. Possibly, the rise in station is made possible by protection from people of influence. [Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation, Elsbeth Ebertin, 1928, p.38.]

Regarded as a harbinger of fame. [Larousse Encyclopedia of Astrology]."

Harbinger of fame. I'd say so, although I wish the circumstances were better.

Kaali conjunct Algol - Major red flag to me. Algol, being very malefic, and Kaali amplifying anything it touches from my initial observation... oh yeah.

Also, it Squares 443 Photographica (23° Leo 25'27"). The images of destruction are horrific, no doubt.

Stellium:
-- Neptune (2° Gem 11'6")
-- 2629 Rudra (2° Gem 31'2")
-- Vesta (5° Gem 9'48")
-- Pluto (5° Gem 28'2")
-- Sun (6° Gem 34'19")

Quite a stellium there. Not sure of Neptune's discovery date, but there's no way Verbeck's residents (the original name of Moore) would have ever seen this. The sheer amount of Air Elemental here is also not lost on me. Gemini being a Mutable sign... well, I'm not sure what mutability would do here offhand so I'm going to continue.

How about 4543 Phoinix (11° Ari 36'59")? This should be relevant:
- Square
-- Chiron (9° Can 44'7")
-- True Node (12° Can 33'21")
- Trine
-- Ceres (10° Leo 27'37")
- Sextile
-- Mars (12° Gem 25'41")

Despite the continuous damage inflicted, Moore keeps coming back, correct?

Mars conjunct 2602 Moore (13° Gem 42'17"): Somehow this seems fitting. Wasn't there a fire in Moore's history as well?

12182 Storm (27° Gem 5'52")
- Conjunct
-- fixed star Polaris (27° Gem 0'7")
-- 1923 Osiris (28° Gem 26'5")
-- Mercury (29° Gem 0'44")
- Opposite
-- 1930 Lucifer (26° Sag 43'56" Rx)
- Square
-- 13688 Oklahoma (26° Vir 30'1")

Hell of a T-Square, but seems quite applicable in this case. Osiris was torn apart and put back together (mostly), so too is Moore. The opposition to Lucifer here I would say would be residents' pride in their community and defying the odds. Oklahoma, well it Tornado Alley so the danger will always be there...

This gets my attention a bit:
157 Dejanira (23° Vir 22'42")
- Conjunct
-- 3811 Karma (23° Vir 37'7")
-- Juno (23° Vir 47'52")

These kind of events put familial and social bonds at constant threat of victimization from the elements and fate... well, if you go with written fates. Which I don't.

13688 Oklahoma (26° Vir 30'1")
- T-Square
-- 2155 Wodan (25° Gem 25'20")
-- 12182 Storm (27° Gem 5'52")
-- 1930 Lucifer (26° Sag 43'56" Rx)

Pride in community and locale against the elements in a place prone to such events. Not always the best results but the potentiality of a strong community withstands the harsh events.

This is very interesting... Uranus (18° Lib 13'0" Rx)
- Conjunct
-- 6583 Destinn (17° Lib 11'14" Rx)
-- 1912 Anubis (19° Lib 30'42" Rx)
- Opposite
-- 1685 Toro (19° Ari 2'3")
- Sesquiquadrate
-- Neptune (2° Gem 11'6")
-- 2629 Rudra (2° Gem 31'2")
-- Vesta (5° Gem 9'48")
- Trine
-- Mars (12° Gem 25'41")

Defiance in the face of danger, and growing stronger from it? I'm up way late and need to work tomorrow, so forgive my speeding through the rest of this:

Pholus (28° Pis 36'48")
- Conjunct
-- fixed star Scheat (27° Pis 49'22")
- Square
-- 1923 Osiris (28° Gem 26'5")
-- Mercury (29° Gem 0'44")

If I'm not mistaken, there were drownings with at least this last storm. Scheat, effects are just like it's pronounced (kind of and in English)... Associated with drownings. Very tragic, I'd personally consider Scheat second-most-malefic behind Algol, but I need to do more research.

The Transits aspects to the Moore settling chart... I'll list what seems to be most relevant based on start time to the storm events here (based on May 20 2013 at 14:56 local time):

(Transit object - aspect - Foundation of Moore object):

As far as transits go: Uranus conjunct Pluto was in full swing and exact on this day. It most certainly was a day of upheaval.

Uranus (11° Ari 13'56") Conjunct 4543 Phoinix (11° Ari 36'59")
Uranus (11° Ari 13'56") Square Chiron (9° Can 44'7")
Uranus (11° Ari 13'56") Square True Node (12° Can 33'21")
Uranus (11° Ari 13'56") Square Jupiter (6° Cap 39'7" Rx)
Uranus (11° Ari 13'56") Trine Ceres (10° Leo 27'37")
Uranus (11° Ari 13'56") Trine Saturn (15° Leo 2'5")

From this tumultuous event comes rebirth, of this I'm sure. Reminder: North Node was conjunct Sirius in the settlement chart.

Mars (22° Tau 22'1") Square 443 Photographica (23° Leo 25'27")
Mars (22° Tau 22'1") Square 7066 Nessus (21° Aqu 29'47" Rx)
Mars (22° Tau 22'1") Semisquare 5352 Fujita (7° Ari 50'58")
Mars (22° Tau 22'1") Sesquiquadrate Jupiter (6° Cap 39'7" Rx)
Mars (22° Tau 22'1") Trine 157 Dejanira (23° Vir 22'42")
Mars (22° Tau 22'1") Trine 3811 Karma (23° Vir 37'7")
Mars (22° Tau 22'1") Trine Juno (23° Vir 47'52")

Quite a violent event, but the community, if I'm looking at this right, will recover with help and self-perseverance.

Sun (29° Tau 57'3") Conjunct Neptune (2° Gem 11'6")
Sun (29° Tau 57'3") Conjunct Pluto (5° Gem 28'2")
Sun (29° Tau 57'3") Conjunct Sun (6° Gem 34'19")
Sun (29° Tau 57'3") Square 42355 Typhon (29° Aqu 47'16" SRx)

Sun dangerously close to Alcyone when this happened. From Constallation of Words: "Pleiades with Sun: Throat ailments, chronic catarrh, blindness, bad eyes, injuries to the face, sickness, disgrace, evil disposition (used to be a term in astrology for homosexuality), murderer or murdered, imprisonment, death by pestilence, blows, stabs, shooting, beheading or shipwreck. If in 7th house, blindness, especially if Saturn or Mars be with Regulus. If with Mars and Venus the native will be a potent king obeyed by many people but subject to many infirmities. [Robson*, p183.]"

No major bodies were with Regulus, and Sun was in event beginning 9th house. Though this was an EF-5... I'd hate to think of this tornado being worse...

2629 Rudra (1° Gem 37'10") Conjunct Neptune (2° Gem 11'6")
2629 Rudra (1° Gem 37'10") Conjunct 2629 Rudra (2° Gem 31'2")

All but a Rudra return. We should check foundation charts of event areas and events themselves for other near-Rudra returns to correlate if severity of events is shown to be amplified around this time... does anyone know offhand the orbital period of Rudra?

Mercury (10° Gem 34'23") Conjunct Sun (6° Gem 34'19")
Mercury (10° Gem 34'23") Conjunct Mars (12° Gem 25'41")
Mercury (10° Gem 34'23") Square 8813 Leviathan (9° Vir 38'1")
Mercury (10° Gem 34'23") Semisquare 1260 Walhalla (25° Ari 52'31")
Mercury (10° Gem 34'23") Sextile 4543 Phoinix (11° Ari 36'59")
Mercury (10° Gem 34'23") Sextile 28978 Ixion (9° Leo 25'32")
Mercury (10° Gem 34'23") Sextile Ceres (10° Leo 27'37")
Mercury (10° Gem 34'23") Sextile Saturn (15° Leo 2'5")
Venus (13° Gem 45'43") Conjunct Mars (12° Gem 25'41")
Venus (13° Gem 45'43") Conjunct 2602 Moore (13° Gem 42'17")
Venus (13° Gem 45'43") Trine Uranus (18° Lib 13'0" Rx)
Venus (13° Gem 45'43") Sextile Saturn (15° Leo 2'5")
Venus (13° Gem 45'43") Quincunx 100 Hekate (12° Sco 55'52" Rx)

Hmm... not sure what to say offhand about this. ...I'm running out of time so I'm going to put the rest of what I have. Conclusions welcome.

M.C. (20° Gem 56'56") Conjunct Lilith (23° Gem 17'43")
M.C. (20° Gem 56'56") Trine Uranus (18° Lib 13'0" Rx)
M.C. (20° Gem 56'56") Trine 1912 Anubis (19° Lib 30'42" Rx)
M.C. (20° Gem 56'56") Trine 7066 Nessus (21° Aqu 29'47" Rx)
Jupiter (21° Gem 45'13") Conjunct Lilith (23° Gem 17'43")
Jupiter (21° Gem 45'13") Semisquare 99942 Apophis (7° Leo 48'56")
Jupiter (21° Gem 45'13") Trine Uranus (18° Lib 13'0" Rx)
Jupiter (21° Gem 45'13") Trine 7066 Nessus (21° Aqu 29'47" Rx)

Note: The inclusion of Fujita? Fujita scale. I figured it was relevant.

posted May 28, 2013 04:16 AM            

City history notes that the community before the post office may have been called "Verbeck" by the railroad.
The Moore post office was established May 27, 1889 named for Al Moore, a Santa Fe Railway employee.
He was a "conductor or a brakeman, lived in a boxcar at the camp and had difficulty receiving his mail. He painted his name - "Moore" - on a board and nailed it on the boxcar. When a postmaster was appointed, he continued to call the settlement Moore. When the town incorporated in 1893 the name was legalized."

{{I found a book giving the date for Verbecks opening, if its Moores founding is up for opinions.
Heres the confusion, at that time what is now Oklahoma City and Moore was unassigned land.
Seymour was the name for the first post office and was located in what is now Oklahoma city. Verbeck was the name of a telegraph office located a few miles away but it was in an area that is now part of Moore, not Oklahoma city.}}

"When Oklahoma City Was Seymour and Verbeck" Chronicles of Oklahoma
by E.H. Kelley
pg.353
"When a telegraph office was opened at this
point on May 2,1887 it was given the name of Verbeck,and operated as such for one month."

posted May 28, 2013 04:26 AM            

Then the kaali to algor? Ouch! My Hades is right there to! Im not liking the sound of that!!
Then my Sun opposes that gemini stellium
My Sun saggy@4.34
Merc saggy@3.45
Hades taurus@25

I have a best friend whos a tornado chaser...it was the May 3rd,1999 Moore tornado that made him fall in love with chasing...he even produced a show about it on discovery channel.
His Venus taurus@25
His Mars gemini@5
His Moon gemini@5

""How about 4543 Phoinix (11° Ari 36'59")? This should be relevant:
- Square
-- Chiron (9° Can 44'7")
-- True Node (12° Can 33'21")
- Trine
-- Ceres (10° Leo 27'37")
- Sextile
-- Mars (12° Gem 25'41")""

Wow, i wonder how many people who live here were drawn to Moore due to their synastry with the city?
My Pluto Libra@11.07
My Valentine Cap@9.50
My MC cancer@7.56
My Neptune Saggy@11.35
My Juno virgo@12
Then you talk about the Sirius star bringing fame, and he's gotten lots of notoriety due to his storm chasing!
His saturn taurus@11
His NN pisces@11
His Chiron Aries@9
His Valentine cap@10
His DC cancer@14

I never thought about reasons your attracted to moving to a place!

""This is very interesting... Uranus (18° Lib 13'0" Rx)
- Conjunct
-- 6583 Destinn (17° Lib 11'14" Rx)
-- 1912 Anubis (19° Lib 30'42" Rx)
- Opposite
-- 1685 Toro (19° Ari 2'3")
- Sesquiquadrate
-- Neptune (2° Gem 11'6")
-- 2629 Rudra (2° Gem 31'2")
-- Vesta (5° Gem 9'48")
- Trine
-- Mars (12° Gem 25'41")""

My Venus libra@18
Destin libra@18----His psyche aries@19
Vertex Aries@21
Sun Saggy@4----His moon saggy@5
Merc saggy@3
Neptune saggy@11.35

posted May 28, 2013 04:56 AM            

This gets my attention a bit:
157 Dejanira (23° Vir 22'42")
- Conjunct
-- 3811 Karma (23° Vir 37'7")
-- Juno (23° Vir 47'52")

posted May 28, 2013 05:17 AM            

Hmm... not sure what to say offhand about this. ...I'm running out of time so I'm going to put the rest of what I have. Conclusions welcome.

posted May 28, 2013 05:51 AM            

Storm, Osiris, Mercury are all on my Mars with Lucifer opposed?
Lucifer conjunct Galatic Center?
I wish i knew what exactly that could mean? I hope that isnt giving universal energy to Lucifer? Bring on the darkness!

Fujita being on my DC exact,
My friends Chiron is right there to!

Destin, Anubis and Uranus conjunct my Destin and Venus?
Abrupt change death and destiny...conjunct my destiny? Plus thats all in my 1st house!
His Psyche opposed Destin/Anubis/Uranus...

Odd, transit Osiris is exact conjunct my Osiris and my friends NN!

posted May 28, 2013 05:58 AM            

Yes, there were 7 children in the school that were trapped in the basement with a broken water line. Scheat can show that?

So, am i seeing this correctly, there is enough aspects to say that the town has a tendency towards this in its makeup? At least you cant rule it out by thinking it couldn't happen again??

I wasnt sure if these might be worth looking up...
29198 Weathers
19521 Chaos

posted May 31, 2013 08:48 PM            

Checked progression/transits, Moore's (based on the 1889 chart I plotted) Progressed Venus and Mars are conjunct establishment Ascendant and opposite establishment Typhon.

Transit Uranus within the next two years should start conjuncting establishment Zeus, and transit South Node will be conjuncting establishment Moon within probably the next 6 months exact.

I'm also noticing transit Pluto is conjunct establishment South Node and will become more exact once it goes direct (it's retrograde now).

posted June 01, 2013 02:58 AM            

WOW.... My heart pours out to you! Such a shocking thing to happen...

posted June 01, 2013 07:07 AM            

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