posted June 15, 2013 01:15 PM            

As such, I have lurked on and off on the Asteroid forums here, wondering if I could really believe in their relevance. It seems to me that there are Infinite Asteroids and more could be found any day, so how could they each have special significance? Despite this view, I have looked up my own chart on Serennu and I've skimmed over the list several times, smirking at this or that aspect but mostly not seeing much (I'm just not there yet).

However, two things I find very amusing (because I've always liked scary things) are the conjunctions of Chaos (16 Ta 25) and Nemesis (21 Ta 33) to my Sun (18 Ta 53). Combined with the very tight opposition to Pluto (18 Sc 59), I can't help but think that's very amusing, but also not a good sign for my Sun.

What, am I going to cause trouble just by showing up somewhere? I hope not, I am pretty conflict-avoidant.

For that matter, Hekate (8 Le 33) is conjunct my Jupiter (5 Le 59) and Eris (17 Ar 29) is square my Mars!

It's not good form to pick out aspects for discussion, but I didn't want to seem like I was asking for a full on chart reading. I was just wondering what these contacts could mean because I'll probably just assume the worst while laughing at the coincidence.

Thanks for your help!

posted June 15, 2013 06:12 PM            

Nemesis personifies the spirit of divine retribution, conjunct sun may make for someone who is just, and gives everyone their just due, however may cause you to be/become unforgiving and unapologetic when others are less than appreciative of this high level of honesty and apathy. (Apatheia #8273, was another personified ideal/character virtue praised by ancient Greeks).

Sure, you can read it differently, some may even interpret this as being "you're your own worst enemy". But, that itself leads to the growth from embracing Apollon wisdom, "know thyself".

Chaos is another interesting concept when looking at least toward the Greek namesake, Khaos. I would see the conjunction here as being a sign of maintaining your equilibrium through even life's chaotic moments and obstacles, you possess the ability to (at your core), keep your head on and above water. You may even be drawn to the chaos... but chaos has a purpose, chaos inevitably leads to regeneration, primordial Chaos leads directly to Ouranos, Ouranos leads to Kronos and Kronos to Zeus, first there is no form which is followed by creation, after creation there needs to be order, after order there needs to be law/justice, this is chaos, the life-death/creation-destruction cycle of the universe... I suggest embracing chaos, it is the elixir of life, the culmination of all thought and emotion. It's not all grim "destruction" unless you have something in your chart contending with it... the Sun, (the light), is the greatest gift (child) this protogenoi has to offer mankind. ^^

As for the opposition to Pluto, I would not consider this an entirely negative aspect either, although it may make maintaining that equilibrium a bit more difficult at times, or tempting to keep to one side of the scales (as Libra's struggle with). You may suffer at times with sharing your true opinions, feelings or be sensitive toward the criticism of others on these talents. I could see the opposition effects more clearly in relation to whichever house this falls. ^^; But, you didn't share. "Everything in moderation" ("nothing in excess"), and you should be fine, I think, so long as you aren't being stagnant or trying to force things, good things will surely spring up around you!

Hekate cnj Jupiter, would also contribute toward being a visionary, it seems like your chart is suggesting for you to take the roads less traveled, and really get out of your comfort zone. ^^ I hope you like spontaneous adventures! They always say (generic descriptions I mean) bulls hate to travel, but I think that's total hogwash... bulls want to be comfortable, but they do enjoy seeing the world and appreciating nature. amirite!?

Ekat can be seen as illumination and with that Jupiter and his expansive wisdom, foresight, this can be seen as one contributing aspect to a sort of divine inspiration/inspired natal. Luck and protection in travel are always good to have and this combo speaks much of this, at least as far as my meager understanding goes. ^^ When opportunity knocks, go for it!

Mars and Eris in a complicated aspect is not a super unpleasant aspect, but I wouldn't like it. lol (sorry!) If you have exalted Mars and Eris where she may be considered in domicile, yowza!

Now Eris is not some evil, soulless murdering villain... she's a trouble-making, attention seeking, self-entitled brat, yes... (or as I really like to say, a "sh^t-stirring, attention wh0re!) lol >.>;

I won't say you are the one seeking-attention, or using tactics to pot-stir.... but, surely you are tempted at times... (no? >.>; *just between us* eh?!) and I wonder if you had a temper at least as a child... >.>; just wondering!

You may experience difficulty in dealing with things you are passionate about, sometimes it could come out in a big burst of fury, or other times you'll hit an emotional roadblock, whether because of having some doubt in your own ability convert strategy into action, or because others are dismissing your abilities. Either way, simply having these two in aspect to one another is enough to say, you are a definitely good at tactical planning, I would think. Steer clear of drama (chaos is one thing, but unnecessary conflict another), using manipulation or allowing others to use you to manipulate others on their behalf. Allow yourself to indulge in thoughtful competitive ventures to help keep your mind sharp and also provide an outlet to any pent up aggression. That's the only advice/interpreting I can provide. mediocre as it is... haha *dash of salt* ^^ (Does Mars aspect any of the Taurean bodies here?)

See, not so scary after all!

posted June 16, 2013 12:56 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
I don't find these particular bodies all that foreboding, especially not in this configuration you have.

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You've certainly given me a more even-handed description of Nemesis, and I do have trouble being comfortable in being neutrally fair in a Nemesis way(I can't imagine that my Pisces Moon doesn't have something to do with that! )

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Originally posted by Saturnine Moth: Sure, you can read it differently, some may even interpret this as being "you're your own worst enemy". But, that itself leads to the growth from embracing Apollon wisdom, "know thyself".

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Indeed! And part of the whole reason I've gone past the sun sign stuff with astrology is because I want to know myself better. ^_^

I like your breakdown about the myth of Chaos/Khaos- I think embracing chaos in life is difficult but a worthy endeavor. I certainly am not all that orderly in my daily life. Maybe I could develop this a bit more, but I think I have to learn how to channel more of my Virgo Midheaven first! XD

This is pretty interesting; the regenerative properties you describe here make it seem like this asteroid's is a reflection of the image of Pluto. But then, if Chaos the origin of all things in Greek mythology, then that's a pretty Neptunian principle, too! I mention this to see if my beginner knowledge can apply and because both planets (Pluto much more, though) have a fair amount of spotlight in my chart.

Ooh, Balance is one of my weaknesses! I am not very good at staying in the middle (like you say), and they hardly teach balance maintenance in school! XDD

And yea, being forward with what I think isn't something I do well, on top of being sensitive. I didn't want to put in too many details, but if you're curious, my Sun is in 6th and my Pluto is in 12th!

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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth: Hekate cnj Jupiter, would also contribute toward being a visionary, it seems like your chart is suggesting for you to take the roads less traveled, and really get out of your comfort zone. ^^ I hope you like spontaneous adventures! They always say (generic descriptions I mean) bulls hate to travel, but I think that's total hogwash... bulls want to be comfortable, but they do enjoy seeing the world and appreciating nature. amirite!?

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Yea, you're mostly right. ^_^ I personally dislike travel, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at my chart saying I gotta get way out of my comfort zone! *sigh* Lol

Ahh, I also have to work on tuning my ears towards opportunity knocking and then being brave enough to go for it. It's pretty cool to see that Hekate and Jupiter work well together.

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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth: Mars and Eris in a complicated aspect is not a super unpleasant aspect, but I wouldn't like it. lol (sorry!) If you have exalted Mars and Eris where she may be considered in domicile, yowza!

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Heehee, that's fine! Now that you mention it, I realized that I forgot to say *where* my Mars is! He's in Cancer, so while also in 8th, he's just not feeling his fiery self! It figures I'd forget when that probably flips the script a bit!

Ok, it's nice to have a clearer image of Eris! Have you ever seen a cartoon called the Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy? They characterized Eris more or less the way you say, actually! I'm not Eris like, but I love reading stories with a lot of drama in them, so maybe there's that? ^^;
As for when I was a kid.... I've haven't been told that I had a temper (quiet, more like), so while my Eris is in Aries, my Cancer Mars must have been pulling me well away from that!

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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
You may experience difficulty in dealing with things you are passionate about, sometimes it could come out in a big burst of fury, or other times you'll hit an emotional roadblock, whether because of having some doubt in your own ability convert strategy into action, or because others are dismissing your abilities. Either way, simply having these two in aspect to one another is enough to say, you are a definitely good at tactical planning, I would think. Steer clear of drama (chaos is one thing, but unnecessary conflict another), using manipulation or allowing others to use you to manipulate others on their behalf. Allow yourself to indulge in thoughtful competitive ventures to help keep your mind sharp and also provide an outlet to any pent up aggression. That's the only advice/interpreting I can provide. mediocre as it is... haha *dash of salt* ^^ (Does Mars aspect any of the Taurean bodies here?)

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It's good insight, thank you! Actually, yes, Mars (20 Can 27) sextiles my Sun and Nemesis while also being Conjunct Chiron (22 Can 47) Lol, any more in depth and I might have to throw up my chart! But really, thanks a bunch for giving me some info on these Asteroid contacts, even without the whole picture to work with!

posted June 16, 2013 01:42 AM            

I was quite curious to see if Mars did aspect the Taurean bodies in your chart in regards to the Eris square, this gives a better picture of which of them is the stronger of the two, and helps to understand how far the influence extends from those asteroids (Nemesis/Chaos) in your chart better/clearer. So for you Mars is the definitely the stronger of the two, and fussy Eris is being put in the corner by Chaos, your Sun, and Nemesis. I want to also say that Mars seems to be the helping hand in your chart, since this would be the planet to look to for balancing out the opposition with Pluto. (You do seem to have a good deal going on around Pluto and Neptune, Pluto in Pisces/Neptune decan - Pisces's traditional abode; Pisces IC; and even your Mars draws in the Neptune from Pisces decan and duad!) Oh, your Mars is cnj Castor, and Chiron Pollux. lol that's pretty nifty too~ (more Neptunian/Plutonian stuff for you to chew on) The Dioscuri! ^^; (I'm curious where your Nodal axis is! Oh, but I don't want to pry!~ haha sorry!!!)

LOL I remember Grim!~! XD

oyvay! past my bed time! haha g'night!~