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LuckyStar
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posted October 24, 2013 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuckyStar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this as bad as I think it is?

How about in synastry?

Would it be mental abuse? Or healing an abuser? Sort of beauty and the beast?

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IndigoDirae
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posted October 24, 2013 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Complicated.

My husband is a Nessus-Sun; it's almost exactly on my Psyche. He has a tremendous psychological effect upon me - good or ill. I can rationally tell myself that his opinion is actually not benefiting me here, but it can really tear me up if we're not 'seeing eye to eye' on something.

He's almost always trying to control me, too. But, in essence, that's made me stronger psychologically. (I've suffered abuses in many areas, especially psychological.) It's made me stand up for myself in the hardest arena yet: with someone who genuinely loves me.

Careful with this one. I most definitely am helping him heal his abuse issues. He's beginning to do the same for me.

Is there 12H influence in your composite?

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posted October 24, 2013 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuckyStar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! Thank you.

I wish I knew astrology before I got married. We have a double whammy nessus conjunct psyche.

He is emotional abusive at times. Which makes me distance from him then spirals in a catch 22. Him angry me distant.

However, there are pearls of wisdom to be gleaned from every situation and it takes 2 to tango. I am learning my power and finding a voice with him. It's hard, it hurts but it makes me wiser and stronger. I need this experience. I have learned to stop hiding and voice my anger. Which with Scorpio Mars in the 12th has always been an incredible challenge.

My brother is mentally ill and my parents never understood that (they are immigrants) he was very verbally and emotional abusive my entire childhood. So I somehow have a template of abuse within me, this is a very hard thing to root out, but I am determined to heal. My husband dealt with severe psychological warfare from his horrible father. So he too is trying to heal and learn to trust.

We do not have planets in the 12th but I have a tight stellium in the 12th.

I wish I had a traditional loving warm cozy relationship like many others this one seems to be wrought with lessons.

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posted October 24, 2013 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear you, LuckyStar.

I'm convinced that my marriage is exactly as it needs to be, however. I also have a 'template' for abuse, as you call it. Whenever we find this in our relationships, it always stems from our childhood. It's part of our 'schema', as it's called in psychology. (I'm a therapist; I frequently use astrology in my practise, too.)

Never forget when I saw his Nessus-Sun on my Psyche. It was like a gong being hit. Along with it being exact, it's way OOB, parallel our OOB Lust.

One of the biggest problems is how domineering he is about sex. It's complicated, because I realise now these days, the roots for it. But it somehow doesn't take down the intense feeling that, now I'm healing, (from childhood sex abuse) he still has a terrible unconscious means of bowling over my boundaries, making me feel 'attacked' in some way, and uncomfortable. I always somehow feel coerced.

I've also got Dejanira parallel my Sun and contraparellel my Pluto. It's almost an embarrassment how many people have attempted - or actually victimised - me, namely in my youth. Where your Dejanira is absolutely matters. Mine is also conjunct (exactly) the oscillating Black Moon. That's the area where most try to take my power, so I've become much stronger in it, now in my mid-thirties.

Our Nessuses are also parallel, which means we're constantly 'stepping on each other's toes' in the area of abuse.

I think with Psyche there, the form is absolutely psychological abuse. It's like breathing for him; he was raised with so much of it, he unconsciously relates this way. I've had to draw attention to it over the years. I'll flat out say, 'you're being abusive'. That's a dangerous area for us, though. He only thinks about it later as being a reality - and only briefly.

I think that Ixion might be more prevalent when working with the healing of abuse. Maybe. I do know my Nessus is loosely conjunct his Valentine, however. We've both been media personalities in the tricky area of abuse, healing, and alternative lifestyles - mainly my counselling, and his penchant for producing good radio. Bit of a Howard Stern figure in that regard.

Also, my Eros is on his Psyche, so the myth reverses for us, with him being deep in sexual longing and me having to be the Eros. That was great for awhile - until I realised it was allowing me to avoid doing the hard self-work which would heal my own abuse.

We have a stellium in the 12H of Sun, Saturn, Venus, and Psyche. Moon-Jupiter-Dejanira in the 4H. An overall feeling of genuine goodwill and striving for happiness returns after the knock-down, drag-out fights. Venus tightly square Uranus, too. And with the Sun stellium in AND ruling the 12H, it's just a loop.

I personally have a very limited capacity for deep psychological delving. I like to do a 'check on the status of the relationship' conversation and then be done with the matter for awhile. He'll go for days talking about the status of our relationship, ripping out the guts and examining it with a microscope. I can do that for only so long before I just want to throw up my hands and go, 'okay! I get it!' Because it always seems to feel like the message is there's something wrong.

Very rarely, he'll just say, 'I feel good about us,' but that's usually because I've had to make some uncomfortable dive into the unknown, or I've promised to, or I'm taking a risk somewhere. I can only do that for so long, too.

His ASC is closely conjunct my NNode. The composite Sun is right on it.

I'm interested in looking into the closer intricacies of abuse by examining Nessus. Sign, house, aspects - all that.

I'd say, 'oh, Nessus in Gemini,' and think 'psychological abuse'. But it's Gemini, so that's verbal, too. But being on my Psyche - again, we see psychological abuse.

I think his being a Nessus-Sun - exact - is such a sharp indicator of his father being a psychopath. He was horribly abusive.

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posted October 24, 2013 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find this discussion very interesting, though I do not have really substantial things to add.

my own Nessus is in Gemini in 7th house, too though. OOB

my Dejanira is on 00 Aries in 3rd house (aries point) parallel true BML and Jupiter.

I find it interesting how Deja is in 3rd house and Nessus is in Gemini.
Deja is also quinkunx Uranus exact, ruler of 3rd house - I am quite sensitive to what I perceive as verbal attacks.
My big mouth also has brought me into abusive situations before.
And I am very aware of the destructive power of words.


I do not have a Nessus-Psyche in synastry. But there is this guy with Nessus on 18 Cancer which might be conjunct my Saturn on 17 Cancer and Eros and Vertex on 21 Cancer. Itis on the wide side though.


The composite has a Nessus-Dejanira- parallel.


No clue really.

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posted October 24, 2013 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My ex husbands nessus was conjunct my psyche, i learned that i believed i didnt deserve to be loved, i learned i believed the path to be loved was one that required i work myself into the ground and then allowed him to walk all over me like i was the dirt on that ground!

Eventually I learned that what i believed was killing me! I learned i didnt want to be hurt anymore, i learned how to stand up for myself and i learned how to shoot a gun! LOL....and he learned i wasnt his doormat anymore!

**his nessus conjunct my psyche my nessus conjunct his mars, all under 2 degrees!

Today, 8 years later we are good friends and co-parent very well together, he respects me and i actually have the power in the relationship....nobody got shot, lol...all it took was showing him how great i was at shooting with my new gun and the bullseye target with all the holes in the head and heart....lol!
He never laid a hand on me again and gave me the divorce i wanted without a fight!

I learned Nessus can whip Mars's rear anyday!

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posted October 24, 2013 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Transiting Nessus is on my natal Psyche actually and has been so for some time.

But it is also conjunct my mean BML (both one degree).

While I am rather sensitive towards displays (especially manipulative) of power agianst people, I definitely do not let anyone walk over me these days.

BTW right now we have an exact trine of NEssus and DEjanira in the transits. Interesing.
It`s midpoint is conjunct the GC, (and on my Sun-Mercury, eek)

However, I guess you just have to listen to the news to see its works.

Tr Pallas is applying to an opposition to Tr Nessus and sextile Tr Dejanira.

Tr Child is conjunct Tr Jupiter exact, in Cancer.

Don`t ask me why I looked it up, actually I even made a mistake and looked up asteroid 2157 (instead of Deja), it is the sateroid ASHBROOK, and it turned out,r ight now it is exactly conjunct Pluto. lol

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posted October 24, 2013 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I find this discussion very interesting, though I do not have really substantial things to add.

my own Nessus is in Gemini in 7th house, too though. OOB

my Dejanira is on 00 Aries in 3rd house (aries point) parallel true BML and Jupiter.

I find it interesting how Deja is in 3rd house and Nessus is in Gemini.
Deja is also quinkunx Uranus exact, ruler of 3rd house - I am quite sensitive to what I perceive as verbal attacks.
My big mouth also has brought me into abusive situations before.
And I am very aware of the destructive power of words.


I do not have a Nessus-Psyche in synastry. But there is this guy with Nessus on 18 Cancer which might be conjunct my Saturn on 17 Cancer and Eros and Vertex on 21 Cancer. Itis on the wide side though.


The composite has a Nessus-Dejanira- parallel.


No clue really.


Deja at Aries Point? Hmmm. Ever feel victimised by fame, Ceri? Or 'the famous'?

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posted October 24, 2013 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Deja at Aries Point? Hmmm. Ever feel victimised by fame, Ceri? Or 'the famous'?


This might be a stupid question, but what does being "victimized" really mean? What does it entail?

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posted October 24, 2013 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Ceri...I would think being victimized is when your taken advantage of, hurt or had something innocent of yours used as a way to get closer to you and hurt you in some way.

A place your naive innocence was used against you so someone could take advantage of you.

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posted October 25, 2013 03:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:
@Ceri...I would think being victimized is when your taken advantage of, hurt or had something innocent of yours used as a way to get closer to you and hurt you in some way.

A place your naive innocence was used against you so someone could take advantage of you.



But seriously, that happens to everyone once in a while.
Doesn`t it?


Well, it is safe to say then probably that I sometimes felt victimized by people (usually my age or a little older) from my neighbourhood, or school; so called "friends" from there.

I guess the 3rd house makes sense then.

Also I remember one girl in particular in elementary school constantly putting me down, verbally and also physically, for years, until one day I literally exploded into her face, verbally and physically.
I am not really proud of it, but yes, it did happen; In my past I HAVE used words as weapons, warping someone`s mind and thoughts, instilling fear in them as a means of taking revenge, and it pretty much shocked me how easy that was and it was definitely not how I wanted to be, not even if she deserved it (she did).

But I guess that is Deja in Aries for you - only being put down for so long.

And Nessus in Gemini in 7th house, receiving blows from others (7th house) for quite a time, but if some line is crossed, my words and thoughts really can get, well, not nice.

I have to be careful about thta.

I also have Sun-conjunct-Mercury-conjunct-Merlin-conjunct-Reiki on the GC, and my Sun widely (2-3 degrees) opposes Nessus.
Sometimes thoughts and visualisations seems to very easily manifest in the outside world, and so I need to be always aware of what kind of damage these can do.
Usually if I am really angry nowadays and can feel it bubbling up, I am able to transform the visualizations of fire or arrows or whatever into mirrors though.
If I feel angered inside, I visualize sending the attacker an energetical mirror so they maybe get reflected back and understand the consequences of their actions or words, but I donīt want to put the blame on me for impulsively hurting another person, no matter what they did (usually there are reasons things got that far).

But anyway yes I am aware of my Nessus.
And every year the two days around 20th june, I am especially careful. I noticed I feel muchm ore impatient these days, and more prone to lashing out verbally or in thought.

on these days Sun is transiting my natal Nessus.

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