posted October 24, 2013 07:26 AM            

Bullying is very sad. It is one of the worst parts of human nature. Human nature is cruel due to the Adam’s decision in the garden. The effects of Adam’s decision is in each and every one of us. The worst people are the ones who won’t face it. That brings me back to the Malignant Narcissist. I seem to be brought back to her a lot. However, I do not want to digress to the Malignant Narcissist. I want to stay on the subject of Pluto conjunct Dejanira.

People with a prominent Dejanira will be victims. I hate to say it that way but I promised you honesty and that is the way I see it. A prominent Dejanira would be Dejanira conjunct the ASC, MC, Moon, Venus or North Node. If we want to expand on that, Dejanira conjunct the IC, SN, the Child Asteroid or any personal planet would be a prominent Dejanira, too.

It is not the person’s fault that she is victimized. The chart will play out as it will. Only God knows why we get the charts we do. We can ask Him when we get to Heaven but then we won’t care. As far as the earth goes, check your chart for Dejanira. If you have her strongly, you have probably been victimized. What I am writing is, probably, no surprise to you.

Dejanira will usually hook up with Nessus, her paired asteroid. As the Yin attracts the Yang and night turns into day, Dejanira attracts Nessus. It is as true as I sit here and do the charts. The paired asteroids seem to magnetize to each other. The same would be said for Echo/Narcissus and Pysche/Eros. However, Psyche/Eros is soul mate and so a different flavor, entirely.

I keep digressing from my subject, which is Dejanira standing up for herself. Pluto in good aspect to Dejanira will make her stand up for herself. The bully will not pick on a strong person. This little piece of advice eludes people with a weak Dejanira, just as wise advice eludes all of us, in our problem areas. However, the lesson of Pluto conjunct Dejanira is to stand your ground. Fight that bully with all that you have. Fight her until she turns around and runs. Then, you will have learned the lesson that those of us with Pluto conj Deja come by naturally. Readers with Pluto trine Dejanira have commented that the trine confers the protection of the conjunction. The sextile would, as well.

I do have some questions, though.. What does Pluto in hard aspect to Dejanira do? By hard aspect, I mean the square, most of all, and secondly the opposition. I would love to hear your comments on this.

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posted October 25, 2013 05:21 PM            

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Originally posted by geea:
ami, i have a LOT to say on this, wanted to open a thread but im not sure if anyone has any info on it. If youre interested, i can share.

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Please, please, please share, Geea

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posted October 26, 2013 08:33 AM            

My heart goes out to yo. I could feel your pain way back in SW Peas, so it makes sense all that you say.

Deja conj the NN exact will be a life learning about the nature of Deja. You will become an expert in it.

This is not the hardest position of Deja which is conjunct the Moon but it is still very, very hard.

I am here to help if you want to write to me, in private.

One's chart is not one's fault, of course. I am glad I could help you understand somethings.

I have Deja conjunct Child which is not as bad as the Moon, either, but still hard so I understand from the soul what you are going through, dear Friend.

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posted October 26, 2013 08:34 AM            

You abuse them imo

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posted October 26, 2013 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Ami, never thought about it but sexy Taurus has this....
Pluto virgo@25.07 exactly opposed
Dejanira pisces@25.07
Juno pisces@26.19
Venus taurus@25.33

He told me about past relationships where she totally emasculated him and instead of leaving he felt she was in the right to treat him like that.

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WOW Gaaby
The opposition would be easier than the conjunction. It would be a yin/yang kind of thing but it sounds like an exact play out of it.

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posted October 26, 2013 07:46 PM            

Dejanira is in Scorpio and:

* exactly conjunct my Black Moon
* conjunct my Karma @ 2
* exactly parallel my Sun
* exactly parallel my Descendant
* contraparallel my Pluto
* exactly square my Vertices

I certainly don't consider myself a victim; that hasn't been overnight. I've absolutely been victimised. I even developed a contempt for the mere concept of victimisation. Finally, I learnt the truth: one can be victimised without being a victim.

Despite the abuse I've suffered, the hell I've been through, I don't call myself a victim - I call myself a survivor. I help others - both men and women - get their lives back as a result of my own Persephonic journey. Hades used to scare me; now I share its rulership.

Fitting in Scorpio, no?

Themes of betrayal and abuse have been rampant in my life. I can say I only took it 'lying down' when I was very young and simply didn't understand how to defend myself. I reached that point - and I never went back.

I don't believe this has ever been so perfectly manifested as it was in a particular plot development in one of my works. My protagonist is put in a very difficult position: sacrifice that for which she's fought tooth-and-nail all along, or risk losing her life, and, subsequently, many more.

Should she decide to make the sacrifice, to endure this sort of 'rape', I don't find her to be a victim - but a heroine. It's in this suffering that she's able to defeat the 'evil' once and for all. Sure, she's worse for the wear, but you don't get to be Queen of the Underworld without a few battle scars.

Of course, Deja isn't only where we find victimisation but betrayal and manipulation: most terrifyingly, being made an instrument of your own demise.

These are absolutely concepts which enthrall me, and so I've written with them extensively. Curiously, Deja isn't a part of my hard-hitting 3H stellium; she's still in the 2H, of self-worth and even karmic gifts.

posted October 26, 2013 10:50 PM            

That is inspiring. I don't use parallels and don't know how they work. Care to explain a bit?

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posted October 26, 2013 11:01 PM            

When you look at a readout, you'll notice each point falls on the North / South axis somewhere. This is why we can have things 'out of bounds' - meaning they exceeded the normal range of 0-22 (or so). Points OOB are always demanding our attention.

But parallels and contraparallels are like a whole other dimension of the chart - especially synastry.

I like to call points which are both conjunct and parallel 'super conjunctions' - because they're aligned both 'consciously' and 'unconsciously'. To that end, parallels are like unconscious conjunctions. There's a sense of alignment and synergy, but it's subtle. Typically felt when part of a more intimate relationship, or, astrologically, part of a configuration.

Contraparallels are said to be 'like oppositions' in the same subtler way that parallels 'conjoin' - but I haven't found that to be the case. There's a sense of polarity, yes, but more complementarity. There's a synergy. Not a true opposition. I get a Venus/Mars and Sun/Moon kind of feel. There's a 'pairing' going on with contraparallels.

posted October 27, 2013 09:26 AM            

Thank you

Yes, I have noticed that the OOB Venus is super charming. My friend has the OOB Merc and he is amazingly smart and in a very practical way.
I have a new area of exploration. Thank you ID

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posted October 30, 2013 06:54 PM            

You touched me greatly

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