posted October 24, 2013 02:09 PM            

However, during my courses in medieval literature, one pairing stood out to me from these, and that was Erec and Enide.

Erec was a knight of the round table, and married Enide.

The difference to pretty much all other marriage was that both of them were head over heels in love with each other.

Actually they were accused of "verliegen", which means they hardly spent times out of their chambers and bed.

Unfortunately that was not seen as seemly for a king or knight, and it was not manly to live just for the love of his wife; so his reputation suffered, and he had to go on the usual adventure.
He did, learned to take his responsibilities seriously and returned to his wife, to have a responsible, yet loving married life with her.

Did I mention that I REALLY love that story?

And it is so unusual as romantic love within a marriage was very rare and definitely not given priority in the 12th century.

Unfortunately there is no Erec asteroid, but Eric comes closest.

So we have

Eric: 4954
Enid: 13436

posted October 24, 2013 08:38 PM            

The old classmate/mild crush/friend I recently ran into again after 20+ years has Eric 9.15 Sco and Enid 14.29 R Pisces, so... I'd give the pair some possible checks even if we were born only the 1,5 months apart.

posted October 25, 2013 07:16 AM            

My Eric is conj my 13.30 Sco Eros and regarding your other post, always had Union conj Sappho at 1-2 Scorpio as well. Amor 16.32 R Pisces goes a bit wide of the other Pisces stuff though.

He was newly involved with a girlfriend when we met again and I headed up North to see about my grandmother a few weeks later so haven't really had a chance to see since the start of September, but the easy or natural getting along with the other (compared to many other people) was funny when first met him again. LotisWhite looked at some of the stuff in one of her house ruler posts. The one about attraction patterns or something?

My main early childhood friend was born only a day after him, too, so there's something around the time to fit in with me.

posted October 25, 2013 11:27 AM            

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I look forward to your usual lithany of celebrity checks otherwise. The Newmans and whoever else you always have.

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I couldn't wait for Ceridwen to post, and checked a few myself. The Newmans have a very nice set, including:

Her Eric square his Enid (0.26)
His Eric sextile her Enid (3.37)

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Her Eric conjunct his Venus (1.36)
His Enid conjunct her Venus (2.08)

What do you call this latter pattern when a pair touch the same planet?

posted October 25, 2013 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:

What do you call this latter pattern when a pair touch the same planet?

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posted October 25, 2013 12:44 PM            

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I look forward to your usual lithany of celebrity checks otherwise. The Newmans and whoever else you always have.

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Not now

Maybe later.

thanks for your story

my Eric is 12 Scorpio (on my Draco Eros/Vertex/Sun/Moon-mp)

my Enid is 25 capricorn (exactly conjunct HIS Venus. lol
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posted October 25, 2013 01:02 PM            

His Eric square my Venus
My Eric trine his Venus

My Enid sextile his Moon
His Enid conjunct my Moon

All at 2 degrees; Eric and Enid do trine each other at 1 degree in the Davison.

posted October 26, 2013 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I think this pair must be very meaningful!
I dont want to love anyone else and havent even tried to for years....even though we arent together.
We are best friends, iQ says once saturn moves out of our comp 12th the negative karma between us will lift and maybe circumstances will allow us to be together then.

Ive tried opening my heart to others but it only made me miss him more....its horrible when someone loving you or holding you makes you long for someone else, nothing feels as warm as his love did. I stopped trying a to open myself up to anyone else a couple years ago, i decided it easier to be alone, plus who wants a girl who is thinking about and missing someone else? Thats not fair to them!
The story of this couple is really interesting because weve joked about the day we can actually be together and one thing we both have said is we doubted we leave the bedroom for a few months at least.

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Aww, Gabby,

I hear you.

I am trying to stay open, bu I get where you are coming from.
And as Meatloaf sings: "You can`t run away from your own heart".

If it is where my (or your) heart is now, then that is just it. I am actually learning something that is called "devotion" or "surrendering" at the moment. I am not sure, it is a foreign concept for a Sag with an Aqua-Moon.

But the heart wants what the heart wants and it for sure does not listen to reason at the moment.
Maybe I would be better off, if it did.
But it is what it is for now.

Still I am trying to stay open, not fixating upon it.

However at the same time I have to stay honest and truthful to myself, and the truth is that I have never felt as drawn to anyone as I feel to him, no matter how impossible this seems, and I owe it to myself to find out why, and maybe it will pass then? If i have figured out the reason, the purpose?

(though I have a small voice inside me that whispers: what if there is no why, no purpose? What if all there is is to feel. Without reason nor rhyme. Just because.
)

Forgive me, I am in one of my moods again. *sighs* I shouldn`t have started reading that book. I don`t read books like these, but when i saw it today I could not leave it there. I was circling it several times, and decided against buying it, but then I felt a hand on my left shoulder. I mean I felt a friggging hand, with noone around. Well, I bought the bok and started reading. lol

The title is: The last letter from your lover.

Well, I swore to myself I am not going to cry, but to be honest, I know I will. lol

Oh anyway, Erec and Enid.

Nothing to shout home about here,

except maybe

my Enid conjuncts his Venus exact
his Eric squares my Venus exact (on my MC)

my Eric parallel his Enid

my Enid sextiles his ASC exact
his Eric sextiles my ASC exact

posted October 28, 2013 01:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I am trying to stay open, bu I get where you are coming from.
And as Meatloaf sings: "You can`t run away from your own heart".

If it is where my (or your) heart is now, then that is just it. I am actually learning something that is called "devotion" or "surrendering" at the moment. I am not sure, it is a foreign concept for a Sag with an Aqua-Moon.

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I can feel your emotions just through your words, their so deep! It is hard to handle this, i dont know how you can read a book that adds to it and makes you cry! Your stronger than me!
Your right in some ways its almost easier to be alone because...'you cant run away from your heart'!
Also I love what you said about "devotion", im learning a kind of devotion i never knew before!
Devotion has nothing to do with another person.....to be devoted to another stems from honoring yourself and what makes you happy! Im devoted to honoring my heart and emotions....im honoring what hurts my heart and wont allow my reckless needs to take me down paths that make my heart hurt anymore than it already has to.

I have to wonder how long can this last, where it hurts more to open up to someone than it does to be alone? So far its been 2 years....we broke up 4 years ago i spent 2 years trying to stay open and find someone new....then i gave up because it was making me fall into a deep hole that was causing a bad depression, and i was becoming reckless with guys and their emotions in my attempt to forget him....i knew i couldnt really love anyone else, so why pretend?
I stay happier not trying to replace him. Ugh!

But, i did learn how to make guys crazy for you, just dont love them as much as they love you....dont care as much as they care and have other things that are more important so they are always running after you instead of you running after them....sadly i only know that because my heart was not into loving them and i was only using them to try to get over the person i really loved. Thats been so wrong of me and another reason i stay alone, it hurts my heart to hurt someone else when they dont deserve it!
Thats why im not open anymore.
I dont even want to the read the book your reading, the emotional intensity is enoug as is!! LOL

I appreciate all you said, thank you so much for acknowledging my post, it really was a heartfelt post and something really hard that im trying to deal with. Im sorry your going through something simular, i hope its over for you soon!
I know someday we will be together or someone will come along and break the bars around my heart.....until then im content being alone!
Saggy Sun, virgo moon, libra venus.....can you believe a libra venus being okay alone? I think i saw pigs flying the other day though....lol....or maybe im going crazy from all the 'aloness'!

Heres a song that expresses my feelings so well, maybe you can relate also! Although it isnt another woman that makes our relationship impossible right now.....what she(Amy Winehouse) expresses feels so much like what i feel regarding this relationship at this point i time. Although listening to it doesnt make it easier, im past wanting to wallow in my pain, now i just want to be content with how things are and hope it will change soon or later. Time alone is good, clearing and actually very empowering....once you realize your good with or without another person.

posted October 29, 2013 06:07 AM            

"I can feel your emotions just through your words, their so deep!"
Yes.

It astounds me, how close to the surface my emotions are nowadays, especially when it comes to HIM.
It is like I have lost my ability to pretend they are not being there. Maybe it is because of my weightloss, (I suspect I used the eating to distract myself from really feel what I was feeling in any given moment, especially the more dangerous emotions like anger, desire and the likes).

Maybe it is the thinning of the veils approaching. Samhain is always a very special time for me.

Maybe it is the progressions and transits.
(pr ASC conj. pr Proserpine on 9 Cap, both; natal Pluto on 9 Libra; Tr Pluto on pr ASC and rp Proserpine; later this week Tr Moon and Tr Hekate on my natal Pluto on 9 Libra; Tr Psyche on my NN and Neptune on 9 Sag;
Apparently I am also having an Adonis-Return, with Ishtar exact on my natal Moon. Not only that, the local angle of my place here is 27 Libra, the very same degree my natal and Tr Adonis are falling on 1st november; the composte with the moment has of course ADonis on 27 Libra trine Ishtar on 27 Aquarius, on my natal true Lilith - like every possible lunar symbolism is being triggered in my chart!)

The Adonis return is most interesting to me, especially considering the Pluto-Proserpina-theme is in play, too.
Adonis also is very big in the underworld-resurrection-thingie.

The sabian for my natal Adonis, Tr Adonis and Tr ASC is 27 Libra (plus Tr Siva on 27 Libra):
A Man Becoming Aware Of Spiritual Forces Surrounding And Assisting Him

" It is hard to handle this, i dont know how you can read a book that adds to it and makes you cry! Your stronger than me! "
It`s cathartic.
I am right now a Plutonic person, plus pr Moon in Cancer, having just passed the conjunction to pr Saturn and headed for natalSAturn.
Moon and SAturn are the rulers of the pr ASC and DESC, and the natal 2nd and 8th house.
I guess it is just that timeframe.
I experience tears sometimes as not so much a feeling of sadness, but rather depth. It is difficul to explain.
And as a matter of fact I havenīt cried yet. lol
But reading about others experiences, it helps me understand, grasp how my own inside is working.

As for devotion. I find it important what you said there, that it is important to be devoted to your own heart, it is not even really about that other person, it is not some sort of obligation almost, ro as if you owe him. It is just your own heart.
I decided so often to never ever see this guy again, cause it will never lead anywhere, what is the point?
But I hve come to realize that NOT seeing him hurts me more than I can bear, at least not as of now.
Or actually the opposite, seeing him has always an inspiring, soothing and uplifting effect on me, no matter that it might never lead to anything more than that.
Which is of course a rather frustrating thought, but apart from that, i never feel more alive than when he is around. Why would I deny me this?
It is maybe hard to understand, and to be honest my Aqua-Moon is totally clueless about that kind of thinking or behaviour, and is reasoning with me all the time why I really should be not seeing him again. Ever.
The only reason I can name why I should is, it makes me happy to do so. That is all.
And that is enough.

" to stay open "
Staying open is important. But stay open to your own heart, not to find someone else. This never works.

" i hope its over for you soon! "
I actually don`t.
I am a masochist his way.

No seriously, I am just so glad to be able to access my feelings again, not just through my mnid, but through my body and heart. It is sort of new to me, and it spills over to anything else, and that fills me with wonder, more than with despair.
Unless I try to think about it in realistic terms, I am not feeling all that much despair to be honest.
I think I gain more from it than it cost me probably.

"I think i saw pigs flying the other day though....lol....or maybe im going crazy from all the 'aloness'! "
LOL

Tell me about it. An Aqua Moon and Aqua BML that learns to not only feel but to actually surrender. Who has ever heard of something like that?

I always loved this song. And of course it made me sad. It resonated, though more in relation to someone else.

posted October 29, 2013 07:25 AM            

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posted October 29, 2013 08:23 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Trust Ceridwen to find all the True Lovers/Twin Flames in the Skies

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posted October 29, 2013 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Trust Ceridwen to find all the True Lovers/Twin Flames in the Skies

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posted October 29, 2013 01:58 PM            

As a matter of fact, Mr Sag hit me sideways. He was never ever on my "list". He was not even my type (I thought)!
I was - in a way- still hankering for someone else, different type, totally unavailable and all, and hating how that guy haunted my mind still.
And then Mr Sag simply fell into my path, and at first I felt an extreme dislike. Noone was to distract me from my despair, isolation,d esolation!

But even though this Sagittarius was so unlike anyone I ever pictured to be a soulmate or just a potential interest of mine, it turned out that he totally flipped my world upside down.
And I never even saw him coming. (well I dreamed of him the weeks before, but that is a subject for another day ).

I did not really use him to "get over" the other one; it just happened.

"How come im only attracted to that same energy?"
Because you`re tuned into this.
You probably do not want to meet someone new, with a new energy, because you are so addicted to/ or familiar with HIS energy.
There is nothing wrong with that, I donīt say you have to meet a new energetic pattern in somebody else.But as long as you are doing all the comparing, I donīt think you will get over him.
Somebody else might not be him, and yet might be amazing in his own way.

On the other hand I am one to talk. I can`t get enough of Mr Sag`s energy either, and I donīt really want it to be completely out of my life. It feels amazing. It feels natural and exciting and right. And I want more of that.

Still waiting for the moment I will finally get bored and tired of it, or someone else crossing my path whom I am going to resonate with strongly, too.

However thre is no way to compare him to anybody else. There is nobody like him in the world.
I did that in the beginning. trying to compare to the crushs i had before, but comparing is not possible in this case. STrange. I have always done the comparing before. I have always sought my soulmate, my twinflame whatever.The moment he broke over my life like a law of nature, nothing of that played a role anymore.
I couldnīt care less if he is just a karmic connection, just a very physically oriented crush, a soulmate, kindred spirit, twinflame, or whatever.
He is.
That is all I need to know. He is, and just because he is, this world is a brighter place.

Gosh, terrible, right?

Well, I had a phase in my life almost everyone I met was born around the 7th or 8th april. HUGEST crush ver back then on a 7th april Aries. Delusional to the core. Despair - a lot.
I know now that his Sun is conjunct my Draconic Sun and also sextiles my MOon and squares my Saturn exact. He brought me into contact with these energies in myself, and so do all people born round that date.
Well, the fascination to this date has ceased, though I occasionally still meet people who are born tehen.
Actually my best friend has her Moon on that degree. lol

posted October 29, 2013 02:37 PM            

Gosh, terrible, right?"

posted October 29, 2013 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
"That is all I need to know. He is, and just because he is, this world is a brighter place.

Gosh, terrible, right?"

No, that is completely awesome! There is no reason to take any of the happiness those relationships gave us, away! We deserve to see the world as a brighter place due to our love and relationships we shared....because in the end it was our personal depth and love that was a huge reason those relationships were so special.
Its our light to keep forever and build on it once we create it!

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