posted October 26, 2013 01:51 PM            

Does anyone else have links or even a general idea of what Echo stands for?

Here's one thing I found:

quote:

---

Echo was punished by Hera after she found out that Echo’s entertaining stories were merely a way of distracting Hera from her husband’s philandering. Echo’s punishment was to be able to say nothing aside from repeating the words of others. Eventually she fell in love with Narcissus who only loved himself and she pined to death as she watched him deteriorate with his own grief after falling in love with his own reflection.

---

I honestly can't think of anyone whom I parrot, if anything I think so differently than everyone I know, I feel rather isolated. However, I think of myself as empathic and can listen closely enough to get the gist of what others are saying, and basically say it back to them.

What I'm saying is, perhaps Echo can work positively? I'm okay with astrological criticism but I REALLY don't see this one functioning in my life. I do have my own ideas and they tend to be unconventional, not cheap imitations.

posted October 27, 2013 09:20 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Faith:
I honestly can't think of anyone whom I parrot, if anything I think so differently than everyone I know, I feel rather isolated. However, I think of myself as empathic and can listen closely enough to get the gist of what others are saying, and basically say it back to them.

What I'm saying is, perhaps Echo can work positively? ... I do have my own ideas and they tend to be unconventional, not cheap imitations.

---

I have Silentium 1 conjunct Sun as well as the same Echo-Jupiter you list, so wouldn't know what part of my possible liking of silence comes from where. Draconic Echo-Jupiter conj nSun.

I know I'm capable of mirroring people or their opinions if don't have any particular thoughts about something myself. Why would you pretend to have strong opinions on something if the topic hasn't interested you enough to bother looking into it before? Seeming to go along with something also doesn't mean you are. I'm capable of keeping my mouth shut even if did have different opinions if, say, it's an older person or someone else I have little reason to challenge to start arguing over something when I hate fighting. I quote information a lot but also have Wikipedia conjunct my MC. Mirroring people or letting people think you think like them whatever your actual thoughts isn't unwise. It's camouflage and safety measures, depending on what you're talking about and where.

No gurus for me to quote on end either. Whatever people might say of Jupiter.

posted October 27, 2013 09:46 AM            

AA told me she wanted to tell me about Echo, I think to make a sly accusation or something, so I said I would start a thread about it...she decided to make her own thread. Hence the two threads.

How nice that you have the same aspect; we can compare notes. My Jupiter-Echo is conjunct Draconic Venus. I see what you are saying about how being silent doesn't necessarily mean we don't have our own views. There's something to be said for going into conversation strategically, for listening more than we talk, for taking stock of what would and would not be appropriate to say in any given social context.

"Brevity is the soul of wit" after all!

This conjunction is in my 9H which is loaded with asteroids. Spirituality is kind of difficult for me to talk about because I find most people have dramatic reactions to my opinions, and frankly I don't feel like listening to their drama. I entertain some ideas just for fun, but people tend to assume I take things more seriously than I do, and I am uncomfortable with that.

But for the most part, I can be really outspoken and have paid the price so many times. Like in college I would sometimes disagree with my entire class, including my professors, and would stand my grand while people rolled their eyes. Wellll I have 3H Pluto trine Mercury and Mars, does anyone who knows the first thing about astrology think I'm just going to be like, "Whatever you say" all through my life?

I really believe that asteroids aren't enough to determine how a person's main attitude will be through life. I don't believe that if Echo lands near any of your planets it just sucks the life out of your personality. I'm open to hearing how it might affect people subtly, not bulldoze everything else down and take over.

posted October 27, 2013 10:34 AM            

Or is it that all that squares Saturn (in 12th house, of all things. Gasp) by 2,5-3 degrees or is conjunct Chiron the same? Or exactly inconjunct my Zeus when I also have Io exactly conjunct my Sun, Leto on ASC and Leda conj NN? Clearly all very relevant, right.

Our aspects have slight hints of echoing each other otherwise as well though, as the solstice point of my Jupiter-Echo is 5 Virgo. My Venus is 6.57 Virgo R so there is contact between the same things for us.

I've been told I'm a good listener, or I at least give the impression thereof even if I had little interest in what someone is telling me. I also hold secrets better than most, I think. Mostly for that same thing about their stuff not particularly interesting me, or my having little reason to blab something forward. What good or use is it to me?

Culturally we're also more silent than some other people. We tolerate silence in conversations more than the constantly chattering Americans, for example. Stereotypically talking, anyway. It doesn't tie directly to feeling as if you'd lost your voice or emptiness talked about elsewhere, but I thought I'd add it in.

My Jupiter-Echo is in my 10th. 22 degrees from MC, so no contact there.
Mars 4 Gem in 11H, Pluto 7 Libra in 4th. Mars on the midpoint of ASC/MC.

Yes, Mars also square Venus. Mutable T-square to Grand Cross (Moon 0.33 Pis, wide of a square to 9 Sag Neptune but not wide of a T-square with Moon-Mars-Venus, tied to Mars-Venus-Neptune) so your call how much all that influences my manner of going about things.

Brevity may be the soul of wit, but if that's the only criteria I fail to be witty in text most of the time it seems. *3H Virgo Mercury remembering yet another thing and more details and rambling to add to text* Or is it that even retrograde, Jupiter-Echo in Aries is louder than some other sort?

quote:

---

Originally posted by Faith:
I don't believe that if Echo lands near any of your planets it just sucks the life out of your personality. I'm open to hearing how it might affect people subtly, not bulldoze everything else down and take over.

---

As to your bulldoze comment, I think it may be more lacking with something like Echo, if you take it that she has little substance or anything to take a hold of or no specific voice. It WILL no doubt influence some people strongly, and can have its negative sides the same as any asteroid or influence, but it's not all JUST wilting flowers and moping around or mooning after someone either.

posted October 27, 2013 10:45 AM            

All that depending on what the aspect is, of course. Would X square Echo have the X-person reflecting their own thoughts about Echo onto the Echo person badly, or would they have a clearer view compared to X conj Echo? Which way might it work?

Again, just a thought. If that was another possible effect with Echo, do you think it'd get multiplied even more with Jupiter making everything bigger?

posted October 27, 2013 11:44 AM            

My Jupiter-Echo is conjunct my friend's ASC and in fact he did suggest to me once that I might be shaping my communication so it conforms with others'. He said something like, "No one speaks your language, so you have to learn to speak theirs."

I thought about it and, as I told him, it seems to go both ways. Not to boast but I'm positive that sometimes people are "Echoing" back to me...after all, everyone has that asteroid, and it's got to be triggered in synastry. But he might have gotten that impression because he especially is picking up on my Jupiter-Echo, being conjunct his ascendant and all.

I also have this t-square, though mine's with smaller orbs: 18 Pisces moon, 16 Gem Mars, 12 Sag Neptune.

Oh and one more thing for now: my sister has (or had...I haven't talked to her in a while) a genuine case of Echolalia. Her Echo asteroid is unaspected if only 2 degree orbs count, it is sextile Saturn if I allow 3 degrees. I would have thought that an actual case of Echolalia would have more striking Echo action in the chart.

posted October 27, 2013 12:04 PM            

YES, this is what I think. If it is not faced because the person is too arrogant to face it, it is hopeless.

------------------
Want To Ask Any Question About Bible Prophecy? Go For it. It is Free, of course.

posted October 27, 2013 12:22 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Faith:
Hmm, I'll get back to this more later but for now, yeah, it's not clear whether the other people just get the wrong idea, thinking Echo has no substance, or whether Echo genuinely has like a deficiency of soul. Which, to be honest, is like the worst quality I've seen associated with an asteroid.

My Jupiter-Echo is conjunct my friend's ASC and in fact he did suggest to me once that I might be shaping my communication so it conforms with others'. He said something like, "No one speaks your language, so you have to learn to speak theirs."

---

"Deficiency of soul" or lying down and taking abuse, what other negative things only do you want in asteroids featured lately around here? If astrologers have a responsibility to clients, it's probably helpful to also find a positive to every new thing instead of automatically going for the "Oh noes, Algol will throttlestranglekillmaim you" traditional style.

To refer to your original post, I can't say for sure that my line of thinking or opinions are necessarily that different to most people, that seeming like elevating yourself into some special snowflake (not meaning you were doing that). I know I have a high IQ though and other people's thinking can at times either seem slow or toward incomprehensible for one reason or another (Logic, where are you?), so... Maybe it's also the fact that since your interests are so far off or different from other people's, you either have little to say that they'd get or you end up having to concur or go through the motions on more everyday topics for people to hear you or want to listen? Conform to what we're saying and echo it back to us, or we won't hear it?

posted October 27, 2013 12:30 PM            

------------------
Want To Ask Any Question About Bible Prophecy? Go For it. It is Free, of course.

posted October 27, 2013 12:40 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]a deficiency of soul

YES, this is what I think. If it is not faced because the person is too arrogant to face it, it is hopeless. [/B]

---

You're saying that since you have Saturn conjunct Echo, you're deficient in soul and feel that's a normal thing to claim about people who have Echo somewhere prominently?

posted October 27, 2013 12:42 PM            

Many people do not want to face themselves. I will not accept them as clients. They are not the right people for me.

There are many astrologers out there who make everything "nice". I don't believe that helps anyone. Truth is love. People can accept it or reject it. That is their choice but I call it as *I* see it-- one man's opinion.

I am very popular so many people appreciate me. The ones who don't need to find another person.

As to my personal Echo placement, I am facing it. If faced honestly, one can overcome it. If denied, it will be hopeless. That is why I am honest.

Take care, Keela.

------------------
Want To Ask Any Question About Bible Prophecy? Go For it. It is Free, of course.

posted October 27, 2013 01:15 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I call them as I see them. I am very direct and forthright. Some people don't like and some people don't agree. That is why I am not the right Astrologer for everyone. Many people appreciate me and I feel I have an authentic voice. I am sorry you don't appreciate me but that is what happens when one is honest. I am Number 3 in the Google Search so enough people must like me

---

I know you frequently promote your forthrightness in posts here. When around here you seem to alternate between hitting things okay enough and looking completely clueless, even on topics I know you've posted about here already - and I'm not saying your post on Echo is from the side that promotes the clueless impression. What I don't like is your patronizing way of using "Friend" when addressing every other stranger around. I thank that you at least didn't pester me with it, but if you elsewhere ask why some people don't like you and then seem blind to the way you're phrasing things about human beings/other living breathing people, it can also seem a bit like walking with blinders on.

(Google search for what keywords? /Rhetorical)

And a lot of people like all kinds of things. I hear the Tea Party thing is popular as well. Doesn't mean I personally agree.

posted October 27, 2013 01:22 PM            

Positively: Echo can represent musical talent because she was a musical nymph, a engaging orator, or a beautiful voice.

Negatively: Perhaps a tenacity to not hear the opinions or voices of others, and inability to express your own opinions.

The myth of Echo & Narcissus is also about judging a book by its cover. Echo only lusted after Narcissus for his physical beauty she never had a actual conversation with him therefore she didn't really love him. The myth itself is about not being so self-absorbed/vain, being considerate of others and towards the end self-love. Echo falls within this category because she was so enraptured with her own voice. Even when Narcissus rejects her, she doesn't possess a enough self-love to actually leave and as a result she dies. With Narcissus, he was aware of his great beauty, he compared himself to a god. He refused to settle for any woman or man. Nor give them the opportunity to know his inner beauty or get to know their inner beauty.

posted October 27, 2013 02:42 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Kerosene:
^
Very good points as always.
What would you say about echo in synastry if she conjuncts a personal planet or angle?
Does she suggest obsession for superficial reasons like beauty for example?

---

No, this is totally wrong imo. Echo has no voice.

If you want to make her a modern person, she has no identity and needs to get her identity from the outside.

She could get into a group and take that as her identity. She could attach to a person and make that person her identity.

She may act big and bad but it is not from a real place because inside, she is empty.

In synastry, that would be Echo's side of it, in my opinion.

------------------
Want To Ask Any Question About Bible Prophecy? Go For it. It is Free, of course.

posted October 27, 2013 03:05 PM            

Like Ail mentioned she fell in love with a self satisfied adonis with out even talking to him. This shows a lot about her personality and character.
I think it's realistic to say in synastry with echo could suggest falling in love with someone for superficial reasons like looks or perhaps money.

Not to mention Echo had the ability to repeat the words of other people.
So this could mean deceiving other to believe you both have like minded beliefs and ideas.

posted October 27, 2013 03:35 PM            

Yes, about Saturn. What conjuncts Saturn makes one obsessed with freeing.

However, what conjuncts Jupiter, if it is a hard asteroid like Nessus, Echo etc--Jupiter seems to enlarge it and make it harder, not easier.

------------------
Want To Ask Any Question About Bible Prophecy? Go For it. It is Free, of course.

posted October 27, 2013 03:37 PM            

Echo used her voice to distract Hera while Jupiter ran around behind her back. So Hera took away her voice...leaving her with nothing to offer.

Narcissus knew he was beautiful but he didn't know what he looked like...he was scornful of those who fell under the spell of his beauty, which was not matched by kindness or a loving heart. So he was punished by being shown his own reflection..not knowing what he actually looked like, he TOO fell under the spell of his beauty, so much so that he couldn't tear himself away.

As to Echo or any other asteroid in the chart, there are so many of them that the old rule applies...all individual factors are mitigated by other factors, and by our free will choice of what to do with them. IMO

posted October 27, 2013 03:41 PM            

------------------
Want To Ask Any Question About Bible Prophecy? Go For it. It is Free, of course.

posted October 27, 2013 03:59 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by ail221:
... Which can point towards her possibly not being receptive or considerate about what other people were saying. So of course her punishment was to only be able repeat the words of others.

Negatively: Perhaps a tenacity to not hear the opinions or voices of others, and inability to express your own opinions.

The myth itself is about not being so self-absorbed/vain, being considerate of others and towards the end self-love.

---

posted October 27, 2013 04:33 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]a deficiency of soul

YES, this is what I think. If it is not faced because the person is too arrogant to face it, it is hopeless.

[/B]

---

Oh but if they take singing lessons like you do, the arrogance goes away?

posted October 27, 2013 04:39 PM            

We are both Wood Rabbits with 12H Saturn, 11H Gemini, 8H Pisces moon...

I love how I can leave the forum for a few hours, come back and see how well you've been dealing with Ami...it's like we are a tag team!

posted October 27, 2013 04:48 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by ail221:

With Echo conjunct Jupiter perhaps it means you like to share your knowledge/wisdom on diverse subject matter, perhaps it just makes you really talkative which isn't necessarily a bad thing, or a optimistic speaker again not really bad or good either.

---

Thank you so much, ail.

I'm willing to accept that sometimes it's hard for me to express myself from a deep level and really connect with people, but I think that anyone who knows me in real life would say that they feel better after talking to me, because I am empathic and genuinely care how other people feel.

And if I said NOTHING but it made someone feel better, that's actually good enough for me!

I can't be silent on a forum, there's no place for that, really. But I would think that if I were this supersized Echo girl, I would just be quoting other members all the time and never disagreeing with anyone.

On the contrary...I've gotten into a few scuffles. Echo, she couldn't do that.

posted October 27, 2013 04:52 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Catalina:
Both Echo and Narcissus were punished for letting their pride (she loved the sound of her voice, ... convince them to indulge immoral behaviours.

Echo used her voice to distract Hera while Jupiter ran around behind her back. So Hera took away her voice...leaving her with nothing to offer.

As to Echo or any other asteroid in the chart, there are so many of them that the old rule applies...all individual factors are mitigated by other factors, and by our free will choice of what to do with them.

Echo conj Jupiter could amplify the ability to mirror back to people what was said...in either a good or bad way. Such mirroring can signify a lack of one's own thoughts or the ability to hear what others have said thus ennabling clear and meaningful conversation.

---

posted October 27, 2013 04:57 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Catalina:

Echo conj Jupiter could amplify the ability to mirror back to people what was said...in either a good or bad way. Such mirroring can signify a lack of one's own thoughts or the ability to hear what others have said thus ennabling clear and meaningful conversation.

---

Thank you. Sometimes I really don't have any thoughts, but I prize this empty mental landscape. It's something I have only developed as I got older...'just accepting what people say and not feeling any need to alter it, react to it, or re-word it so that it makes more logical sense to me. I just go: "Hmmm!"