Thread Closed  Topic Closed
  Lindaland
  Asteroid Astrology
  the muses in synastry

Post New Topic  
profile | register | preferences | faq


This topic has been transferred to this forum: Interpersonal Astrology.
next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   the muses in synastry
Ceridwen
Moderator

Posts: 21998
From:
Registered: Jul 2011

posted October 28, 2013 06:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just read in a book by Leeman about the muse Erato in synastry.

Qutoe:
"In mythology, ERato was the muse of lyric and love poetry. The asteroid Erato represents emotional inspiration. If one person?`s Erato contacts another persons chart, the Erato-errson is likely to be inspiring to the other person in the area of life relating to the other person`s planet or asteroid. Erato may be thought of as the muse in its purest form - the inspiration of one person by another person, place or thing."

and

"It may be a little difficult to disntinguish the actions of Erato from those of Eros (passion) or Sappho (sexuality). Erato, however, represents the inspiration of love, not the consummation of it."

and

"Erato contacts in synastry suggest that one person is capable of being the Muse for the other. The Erato-person is the Muse to the planet/ asteroid-person. Cross Erato contacts indicate that each individual can play that role for the other. The Muse function in hte case of Erato shows the inspiration, the hope of love, not its conclusion or eventual course."

I would add Sappho, too, though Sappho differs in a way that it is HER who receives the inspiration and expresses it, and of course Sappho differs also in that she strives for consummation of the longing.


found something by Kim Falconer on Erato

"Erato reminds me of Sappho though perhaps a little lighter, less intense.

She is know as the "Lovely" is the muse of love poetry and mimicry, and is seen with a Lyre and a crown of fragrant roses."
http://erosastrology.proboards.com/thread/165

Also I would add the asteroid MUSA (600), as encompassing all muses, but maybe also as a symbol for music or the importance of music, as the word music is derived from Greek "musa".


Other muses that I found are:

Calliope (22): epic poetry
Erato (62): love poetry
Euterpe 27): music
Melpomene (18): tragedy
Polyhymnia (33): sacred hymns
Terpsichore (81): dance
Thalia (23): comedy


Of these Sappho and Erato seem to be most emotionally involved.


IP: Logged

Ceridwen
Moderator

Posts: 21998
From:
Registered: Jul 2011

posted October 28, 2013 07:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Natally some muses are pretty pronounced for me:


° Triple conjunction of DNA (20 Libra), Musa (21 Libra) and Sappho (22 Libra) in 10th house,
opposite Chiron on 20 Aries
and triggering my Sun/Moon-mp and Vertex-axis on 21 Capricorn-Cancer; Eros is on 21 Cancer, too.


° Polyhymnia on 6 Sagittarius conjunct Mars (5 Sag) and ASC (7 Sag)

° Melpomene on 10 Pisces conjunct Jupiter (11 Pisces) and Ceres (9 Pisces)

° Kalliope (2 Cap) conjunct Vesta (1 Cap)

° Euterpe (18 Cap) opp. Saturn (17 Cancer) and widely conjunct Antivertex and Sun/Moon-mp (21 Cap), opp. Eros (21 Cancer)

° Terpsichore (25 Cap) conjunct echo (27 CAp).

° Erato (15 Sag) opposite Karma (16 Gemini), sextile Moon (17 Aquarius)

° Thalia (1 Aquarius) square Uranus exact


as for declinational connections:

° Erato 21.13 S
Mars 21.13 S
Neptune 20.26 S
NN 21.58 S
ASC 21.2 S
Saturn 21.56 N
Vertex 21.43 N


° Musa 2.45 S
MC 1.58 S

° Euterpe 22.38 S
Polyhymnia 22.25 S
NN 21.58 S
Sun 23.22 S
Saturn 21.56 N
Vertex 21.43 N

IP: Logged

LuckyStar
Knowflake

Posts: 186
From: Elysian Fields
Registered: Oct 2013

posted October 28, 2013 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuckyStar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
.

IP: Logged

Ceridwen
Moderator

Posts: 21998
From:
Registered: Jul 2011

posted October 28, 2013 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am focusing on these "muses":

Musa
Erato
Sappho


(1) Johnny Cash - June Carter
-------------------------------
his Musa quinkunx her Pluto exact
her Musa sextile his Sun-Mercury exact
her Musa trine his Neptune-Psyche exact


her Erato conjunct his DESC (1)
her Erato conjunct his SN (2)
her ERato quare his PAllas (1)
her Erato opposite his true Lilith (2)


his Sappho conjunct her Mercury (2)
his Sappho trine her Psyche (1)
her Sappho quink. his NN (0)

(2) Laurence Olivier - Vivien Leigh
-----------------------------------

his Musa trine her Mercury-Psyche (1)
her Musa square his ASC (2)
her Musa conjunct his Moon (1)
her Musa trine his Mars exat
her Musa opposite his Eros (2)


his Erato conjunct her SN exact
her Erato quinkunx his pluto (1)
her Erato opposite his Vesta-Sappho (1)
her Erato opposite his Amor (1)
her Erato trine his Eros (2)


his Sappho opposite her Erato (1)
her Sappho trine his Sun (2)
her Sappho square his Venus (2)
her Sappho trine his Valentine exact


(3) Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett Browning
-----------------------------------------

His Musa opposite her Uranus exact
his Musa square her Chiron exact
his Musa square her mean Lilith (1)
her Musa square his Chiron exact
her Musa square his Amor (1)


his Erato opposite her Jupiter (1)
his Erato conjunct her SN exact
his Erato conjunct her Ceres (1)
- he inspired her to become a mother eventually
his Erato trine her Valentine (1)
(he also inspired her to give love a chance).

her Erato trine his Satrn (1)
her Erato trine his NN (1)


his Sappho conjunct her Jupiter (2)
his Sappho conjunct her NN (2)
- she was already an established poet, he admired her for it and started writing poems of his own; but he apparently did not want a solely creative union with her; I guess today we would call that a little bit of stalking, what he did.


EDIT:
In the case of Olivier and Leigh I find the opposition between his Sappho and her Erato interesting.
Even though theirs was a passionate love, it seems that she decided to break out of the relationship sooner than he did, and ended their physical relationship with each other.
Sappho (him) seems to have been more interested in keeping that part alive and consummate it than Erato (her) did.

IP: Logged

Ami Anne
Moderator

Posts: 64504
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010

posted October 28, 2013 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eric Clapton had the muse of George Harrison's wife, Patti, for Layla. I wonder if this would show up.

------------------
Want To Ask Any Question About Bible Prophecy? Go For it. It is Free, of course.


http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/

IP: Logged

Ceridwen
Moderator

Posts: 21998
From:
Registered: Jul 2011

posted October 28, 2013 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suppose her Erato might connect with his creative planets. Or she might even trigger his Sappho. (maybe also Musa).

IP: Logged

Ceridwen
Moderator

Posts: 21998
From:
Registered: Jul 2011

posted October 28, 2013 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
her Erato trine his 3rd house ruler Jupiter exact
her Erato conjunct his 8th house cusp exact

his Sappho conjunct her Sun (1)
his Sappho conjunct her Mercury exact
his Sappho square her Mars exact

I suppose he didn`t stand a chance, especially with these Sappho-conjunctions (of course it means he wouldn`t stay content with her staying "just" his muse, and his persistence payed off, at least for a time).
And ERato on 8th house cusp is SO Layla, unbelieavable.

(I only take housecusps into consideration if the conjunction is exact, under one degree; here it is 2 minutes of arc!)

also his Sappho contraparallels her Sun-Mercury
his Sappho parallels her Chiron

her Erato contraparallels his Valentine

IP: Logged

Ceridwen
Moderator

Posts: 21998
From:
Registered: Jul 2011

posted October 28, 2013 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW speaking of Clapton and Boyd:


his Psyche exactly conjunct her Amor
his Echo conjunct her Eros-Narcissus exactly (!)

IP: Logged

Ami Anne
Moderator

Posts: 64504
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010

posted October 28, 2013 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW speaking of Clapton and Boyd:


his Psyche exactly conjunct her Amor
his Echo conjunct her Eros-Narcissus exactly (!)


Interesting. Anything else hit you about the planets?

------------------
Want To Ask Any Question About Bible Prophecy? Go For it. It is Free, of course.


http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/

IP: Logged

Ceridwen
Moderator

Posts: 21998
From:
Registered: Jul 2011

posted October 28, 2013 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, definitely.

his Saturn conjunct her DESC
his Pluto conjunct her NN (3)

his Sun and Psyche conjunct her Amor (1)
his Mars opposite her mean Lilith exact
his Jupiter opposite her Juno exact
his SN conjunct her Karma exact
his Chiron conjunct her true LIlith (2)
his mean Lilith conjunct her Adonis (2)
his Karma conjunct her Sun (2)
his Karma opposite her true Lilith exact
his Priapus oposite her Adonis (1)
his Adonis conjunct her Aphrodite (3)
his Aphrodite conjunct her Eros (1)
his Sappho conjunct her Sun (1)
his Sappho conjunct her Merucry exact

IP: Logged

Gabby
Moderator

Posts: 7899
From:
Registered: Sep 2012

posted September 23, 2015 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Charites (or the Graces) were three happy Goddesses of Beauty. They were named:
(47) Aglaja
Aglaia, Splendor
(31)Euphrosyne, Mirth
(23) Thalia, Good Cheer

They were the first ones to welcome Aphrodite when she was blown to shore by the East Wind. The three of them rode in a chariot pulled by white geese. Their name in Greek would have been the Charites. They were the daughters of Zeus and Eurynome. Originally (as in pre-classical mythology), they were goddesses of fertility and nature and were much more closely associated with the underworld and the Eleusinian mysteries.

IP: Logged

Randall
Webmaster

Posts: 57359
From: Saturn next to Charmaine
Registered: Apr 2009

posted September 23, 2015 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Interpersonal Astrology.

IP: Logged

All times are Eastern Standard Time

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Open Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  
Hop to:

Contact Us | Linda-Goodman.com

Copyright 2000-2015

Powered by Infopop www.infopop.com © 2000
Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.46a