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Topic: asteroids destiny and union
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DaniPepper87 Moderator Posts: 6212 From: Curitiba, Brasil Registered: Sep 2013
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posted November 14, 2013 02:36 PM
Wow, just discovered that someone's Chiron is conjunctiong my Destinn. Can someone give me one insight of these 2?IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy Knowflake Posts: 9778 From: Death Star Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 14, 2013 02:47 PM
You are destinned to help each other?------------------ I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
DaniPepper87 Moderator Posts: 6212 From: Curitiba, Brasil Registered: Sep 2013
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posted November 14, 2013 02:51 PM
Hi Cappy!Well, his Chiron is in the 7th and mine Destinn is in the 8th. He's a friend of mine who is very shy (Virgo Sun and ASC). IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy Knowflake Posts: 9778 From: Death Star Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 14, 2013 03:03 PM
Hi. Maybe it's time to heal his shyness  ------------------ I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
Delilah423 Knowflake Posts: 689 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted November 14, 2013 03:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: I just stumbled across this "In a composite, UNION conj a relevant Asteroid or Planet will prove to be remarkable." (by IQ)I checked a few composites, turned out that in the composite with my best friend and me we have Union. 23 Scorpio Venus 23 Scorpio NN 22 Scorpio (square Karma on 23 Leo)
we certainly have a quite remarkably lasting friendship
I checked composites between my chart and 8 (each) celebrity charts and actual relationships. There are close aspects, often conjunctions, between planets and Union in every actual relationship (except with my father); that happened only once with a celebrity. Some examples: 20+ year friend (male): Union at 3 Cap conjunct Sun at 1 Cap (1.19) Semisextile Venus (0.22) Trine Mars (1.28) 15+ year friend (female): Union at 21 Lib trine Moon (0.06) Semisextile Sun (0.19) Longest lasting romantic relationship (we parted friends although it was very difficult): Union at 14 Cap trine Sun at 14 Vir Conjunct Chiron at 15 Cap (0.29) Most emotionally devastating relationship that took forever to heal: Union at 12 Sco trine Chiron at 11 Pis Current relationship (dating 3 mos. but we've known each other 20+ years): Union at 10 Cap conjunct Jupiter at 11 Cap (0.31) semisextile Mars at 10 Aqu (0.05) semisquare Chiron at 25 Sco (0.00) I wonder what's with the conjunctions all being within the first 15 degrees of Capricorn?
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IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 14, 2013 04:59 PM
I've never really looked into Union. With my Twin: His Union conjunct my Karma His Union conjunct my Pluto His Union conjunct my Aphrodite (exact) My Union conjunct his Destinn My Union conjunct his Valentine My Union conjunct his Pluto Our Unions are also parallel. For me, it's always been Karma-Destinn, to be honest. My Dad's Destinn is close to my Mom's Union, though. There's not much going on in their composite with it, however. Just doesn't seem that crucial for me. IP: Logged |
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posted November 14, 2013 05:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: I've never really looked into Union. With my Twin: His Union conjunct my Karma His Union conjunct my Pluto His Union conjunct my Aphrodite (exact) My Union conjunct his Destinn My Union conjunct his Valentine My Union conjunct his Pluto Our Unions are also parallel. ... Just doesn't seem that crucial for me.
Please elaborate how you came to the conclusion, juding from all the conjunctions with Union with your twin, that it is not crucial to you? 
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 153964 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 14, 2013 07:44 PM
Moving to Asteroid Astrology.IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 14, 2013 09:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Please elaborate how you came to the conclusion, juding from all the conjunctions with Union with your twin, that it is not crucial to you? 
For one, they're wider orbs than I like to consider. But, if we have a pattern going on, then I'll consider widening - as you know. For me, Destinn and Karma seem to appear more readily in synastries and composites of various soul connexions. Union is ONLY appearing in anything - wide conjunctions - with him. Doesn't that seem ... I dunno; maybe I'm missing something. I have been sick for the past week, so my brain is fuzzy. I think for us, specifically, Union might relate to our creative synergy. It's exactly on my Merc, loosely on my Eros, and I'll definitely count the conjunction to his Valentine. It's still wide, (2*) but that feels more important. I think it's on his Erato, too, but I can't remember off-hand. I like the NOTION of Destinn and Union being strong karmic markers. I'm just not seeing it in the data. A few aspects with my Twin, and nothing elsewhere. I would expect more - considering how many karmic relationships I have. Oh, I WILL say that I'm taking a look at Aeternitas (446) now, after seeing some interesting linkages there. Maybe I'm 'doing it wrong' ? :laugh: IP: Logged |
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posted November 15, 2013 01:37 AM
"For me, Destinn and Karma seem to appear more readily in synastries and composites of various soul connexions." I suppose, you checked other`s synastries and composites, too? Well, after a very shallow check, Union appeared quite frequently in conjunctions. Not always though.Well, for my own synastry it is not really all that compellingly strong either, though we have Union conjunct (and parallel) Union exact, and his Union is also conjunct my Adonis (you know the male half of the Aphrodite-Adonis-pairing ) I find this interesting as you had the Union-Aphrodite link, and I looked up my best friend`s synastry with her husband and her Union conjuncts his Aphrodite, too. If it appears though, it seems to be connected to love-asteroids mostly. Oh and Union itself or Destinn. "It's still wide, (2*)" Well, I think for a conjunction 2 degrees are still pretty valid.
For us personally Karma does not play such a big role, though interestingly in the composite Karma is conjunct Hypnos in Leo in 7th house and both sextile Jupiter in 5th house exact. Nice, but not that compelling I suppose.
Destinn seems to be more relevant, which is funny as he has a conjunction of Karma and Destinn as 2 degrees, both falling onto my MC, but Destinn is the one which is intervowen in the tighter aspects in my chart. Karma pretty much falls out of the orb-grid. lol What I noticed though is an interesting thing with Atropos, oh and of course Atlantis. But Atlantis is always important to me, falling onto my ASC, Neptune and NN natally. IP: Logged |
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posted November 15, 2013 09:17 AM
I was checking three relationships, that I think, do have soulmate-potential.(orb is 2°, but I only considered sextiles and quinkunxes that were exact) (1) my friend and her husband: ------------------------------- synastry: her Union opposite his Mars exact her Union trine his Jupiter exact her Union square his Amor her Union conjunct his Aphrodite
his Union quinkunx her ASC exact his Union sextile her Venus exact his Union sextile her Mars exact his Union sextile her Pluto exact his Union trine her Saturn (DESC-ruler) exact his Union conjunct her Neptune (MC-ruler) exact his Union quinkunx her Vesta exact his Union opposite her amor Union/amor-DW
composite ----------- Union conjunct Neptune Union square Moon (IC-ruler) Union quinkunx Ceres-Psyche-exact Union trine Mars (chartruler) exact
Union sesisquare Amor (result from the synastric DW) (2) a friend and the love of her life synastry ------------ her Union trine his ASC exact her Union quinkunx his Mercury exact her Union square his Vesta exact her Union conjunct his Eros her Union conjunct his Aura exact His Union (and Amor) opposite her Mercury her Union quinkunx his Adonis exact (0°00) Union/Mercury-DW
composite ------------ Union conjunct Amor Union square Chiron Union quindecile Mercury (DESC-ruler) (result of the synastric DW) (3) my brother and his girlfriend synastry ------------ his Union trine her Uranus his Union conjunct her Amor wide (3) his Union sextile her Aura exact her Union trine his Aura composite ----------- Union conjunct Atropos exact ( an union was their inevitable fate?) Union quinkunx Aura Union square Mercury (4) my parents synastry ------------ his Union conjunct her Mercury (IC-ruler) his Union quinkunx her Valentine exact his Union trine her ASC exact her Union trine his Moon her Union opposite his Uranus composite ----------
Union opopsite Psyche exact Hmm not to sure what to make of this Union-asteroid, however interestingly in those cases there was some link of Union to Amor, Eros or Psyche.
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posted November 15, 2013 09:35 AM
Tracing this line of thought further:(1) Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett Browning: his Union sextile her Eros exact (2) Paul Newman and his wife: his Union square her Eros her Union square his Eros
(connecting the synastric Union-union-conjunction to both Eros-positions) composite: Union square Eros exact Union trine Psyche
83) Johnny Cash - June Carter: synastry: her Union conjunct his Amor/Psyche-mp composite: Union square Amor Union opposite Eros (4) Laurence Olivier - vivien Leigh:
synastry: none composite: Union trine Psyche Union quinkunx Eros (eros-Psyche-square) (5) Paul Mc Cartney and his first wife
synastry: his Union opposite her Eros exact her Union opopsite his Amor exact composite: Union sextile Eros wide (2 and some)
(6) Pierre Curie - Marie Curie
synastry: her Union squyre his Psyche composite: Union conjunct Amor Union quinkunx Psyche (7) Richard Burton - Liz Taylor
synastry: none composite: Union opopsite Amor
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ail221 Moderator Posts: 7119 From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon Registered: Feb 2012
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posted November 15, 2013 07:51 PM
So Far just asteroids: My Union opp his Eros exact My Union sq his Eros My Union conjunct his Adonis His Union conjunct my Valentine His Union opp my Sappho exact Union/Cupido dw My Destinn sq his Union IP: Logged |
ail221 Moderator Posts: 7119 From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon Registered: Feb 2012
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posted November 15, 2013 10:11 PM
K. Hepburn and Spencer Tracy Synastry ------------------------- Her Union sextile his Vesta exact His Union opp her Vesta exactHer Union trine His Union 1 Her Union sextile his Valentine/Asc 1 Her Union trine his Mc 2 His Union sq her MC 3 His Union opp her Cupido 3 Composite ---------------------- Union conjunct Chiron Union trine Vesta exact Davidson ------------------------ Union trine Eros exact and Valentine 3 Union sq Juno/Vesta exact IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 16, 2013 01:37 AM
D'oh! Ceri, I think I might've just figured it out. Union is a LINK. It UNITES two points. Acting as an intermediary. Rather than in and of itself being a personified point, it acts as a joiner for two energies. Check and see if Union is a common denominator in regards to mythological pairings. I'm guessing it just might be. IP: Logged |
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posted November 16, 2013 02:22 AM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: D'oh! Ceri, I think I might've just figured it out. Union is a LINK. It UNITES two points. Acting as an intermediary. Rather than in and of itself being a personified point, it acts as a joiner for two energies.
Yes, that is how I always saw it.
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IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 19, 2013 12:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Yes, that is how I always saw it.
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vansio Knowflake Posts: 2179 From: the outskirts of Delphi Registered: Dec 2017
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posted January 12, 2022 11:39 AM
quote: Originally posted by Iqhunk: In a composite, UNION conj a relevant Asteroid or Planet will prove to be remarkable.UNION is more of an indicator than a prime mover. AMOR, EROS and LUST for instance are more of action asteroids in comparison.
I have a composite with Venus 3°51 Sun 4°01 and asteroid Union 5°10 all-conjunct (plus Mercury at 13°) and nothing happened - No “Union” ever
Adding, Jupiter/Uranus/Destinn/Neptune and Saturn-bysign all sextile this stellium Moon/NN/Karma are conjunct (and this sextiles) the composite Valentine-Juno conjunction of 0.09 degrees 🤷🏽♀️ sometimes cynical about astrology. IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 15137 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted January 12, 2022 04:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by vansio: I have a composite with Venus 3°51 Sun 4°01 and asteroid Union 5°10 all-conjunct (plus Mercury at 13°) and nothing happened - No “Union” ever Adding, Jupiter/Uranus/Destinn/Neptune and Saturn-by sign all sextile this stellium Moon/NN/Karma are conjunct (and this sextiles) the composite Valentine-Juno conjunction of 0.09 degrees 🤷🏽♀️ sometimes cynical about astrology.
Vansio! You're looking at a "composite" chart? That's the averaged place-degree between yourself and one other person. It's common to see 'clumps' of faster moving planets come together. Why be cynical? Isn't it better when there comes a chemistry, a Spirit-drawn Union between the two individuals? To Wait for the Right person might give more pleasurable results over the span of the rest of your life together. Otherwise, you can wind up in awful state of misery. Look at it in your own chart, including sign, and houses. 'Union' can also function as a name-asteroid. e.g. Serendipity of finding it associated as part of an address, such as Union Street? Could also relate to a specific kind of Labor Union, as you do your work and travels in life. Could deal with customers associated with various kinds of organized Unions.
Union can also be a word describing a nation. Quote: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,..." ref Preamble to the Constitution of The United States of America One place I lived in my youth had a newspaper called The Union Leader. These asteroids are not 'limited' in the way you can apply them. As you live your life, these asteroid-words may come to your attention, in various ways in different times of your Life. Do not limit them to one-definition only. Let them show you how. Take those events as a sign/oracle. Markers on the journey of life. TODAY Jan 12 2022 Capricorn Transiting Venus, still in rx, and 1585 Union (in direct mo) are crisscrossing each other inside the degree of 16+ Capricorn. My 2nd House Cusp (placidus) is Capricorn 15.48 Natal Capricorn 16+ H2 contains the following rx asteroids: 69230 Hermes, 2024 McLaughlin, 6583 Destinn 16.16' rx 2815 Soma, 429 Lotis, 3047 Goethe, 6271 Farmer, 4341 Poseidon, 1388 Aphrodite, and 1034 Mozartia These-above are quintile my Juno r Scorpio 4+ H11. Sextile Saturn rx Scorpio 16+ H11. Quintile P.o.Spirit {Vocation} Pisces 28+ H(3) Asteroid 6583 Destinn was actually named for a famous Opera Singer. Story here-- - http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/004793.html Placement: 1585 Union rx Libra 28.38 conjuncts Neptune r Libra 25.50 in H10. I've had a life-long interest in the pursuit of higher spirituality and The Mystical. There's something called The Mystical 'Union'. Quote: Wikipedia What is the mystical union? Mystical union may refer to: Mysticism, the pursuit or experience of direct communion between a believer and an ultimate reality, divinity, spiritual truth, or God. Quote: Encyclopedia.com {ref Teresa of Avila, R.C. Carmelite Nun} MYSTICAL UNION Mystical union may be described as the relationship between a person and God in the highest degrees of the mystical life. . . Ordinarily, mystical union is said to have three stages: * prayer of union, * prayer of ecstatic union, and * prayer of transforming union (mystical marriage). * In the prayer of union the soul is deeply aware of God's presence. All the internal powers of the soul, including the memory and imagination, are captivated and occupied with God. This union, usually of short duration, is marked by the absence of distractions, and the certainty of being deeply united to God. * The prayer of ecstatic union differs from the prayer of union in that the external senses are also suspended or captivated. As the intensity of the mystical union grows, it becomes so great that the body cannot withstand it and so falls into ecstasy. In this union the Holy Spirit, acting through His gifts, so intimately and ardently unites the soul to God that the natural weakness of the subject cannot withstand the intensity of the light and love communicated. The soul falls into ecstasy, and this causes the body to experience an alienation of the senses. * In the prayer of transforming union (mystical marriage) there is a complete transformation of the soul into the Beloved. God gives Himself to the soul and the soul gives itself to God in a certain consummation of divine love, so that the soul shares in God's life as fully as is possible in this life. This union is more or less permanent; the soul is more conscious than ever of the Blessed Trinity. The soul is absorbed in seeking the honor of God, eagerly desiring to undertake anything or suffer anything that God may will. Bibliography-- Teresa of Avila, Interior Castle in Complete Works, {see link for extended REF} - http://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-map s/mystical-union More - http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Teresa_of_Avila,_Saint (article) Asteroid Goddesses and the Mystic Way: Models of Spiritual Transformation by James Rodgers, MD - http://www.astro.com/astrology/aa_article150402_e.htm *~ - http://www.jamesburgess.com/sufi-articles.html
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Stargirl2122 Knowflake Posts: 75 From: Pittsburgh, Pa U.S Registered: Apr 2021
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posted January 22, 2022 06:21 AM
in synastry, his union and destinn are on my north node, my destinn on his venus and union on his saturn. IP: Logged |
bjorkstrand Knowflake Posts: 381 From: Canada Registered: Mar 2013
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posted February 02, 2022 12:59 PM
According to alan gray SEDNA = destiny
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 153964 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2022 11:38 AM
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