posted November 14, 2013 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I just stumbled across this
"In a composite, UNION conj a relevant Asteroid or Planet will prove to be remarkable." (by IQ)

I checked a few composites, turned out that in the composite with my best friend and me we have

Union. 23 Scorpio
Venus 23 Scorpio
NN 22 Scorpio

(square Karma on 23 Leo)

we certainly have a quite remarkably lasting friendship

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I checked composites between my chart and 8 (each) celebrity charts and actual relationships. There are close aspects, often conjunctions, between planets and Union in every actual relationship (except with my father); that happened only once with a celebrity. Some examples:

20+ year friend (male):

Union at 3 Cap conjunct Sun at 1 Cap (1.19)
Semisextile Venus (0.22)
Trine Mars (1.28)

15+ year friend (female):

Union at 21 Lib trine Moon (0.06)
Semisextile Sun (0.19)

Longest lasting romantic relationship (we parted friends although it was very difficult):

Union at 14 Cap trine Sun at 14 Vir
Conjunct Chiron at 15 Cap (0.29)

Most emotionally devastating relationship that took forever to heal:

Union at 12 Sco trine Chiron at 11 Pis

Current relationship (dating 3 mos. but we've known each other 20+ years):

Union at 10 Cap conjunct Jupiter at 11 Cap (0.31)
semisextile Mars at 10 Aqu (0.05)
semisquare Chiron at 25 Sco (0.00)

I wonder what's with the conjunctions all being within the first 15 degrees of Capricorn?

posted November 14, 2013 04:59 PM            

With my Twin:

His Union conjunct my Karma
His Union conjunct my Pluto
His Union conjunct my Aphrodite (exact)

My Union conjunct his Destinn
My Union conjunct his Valentine
My Union conjunct his Pluto

Our Unions are also parallel.

For me, it's always been Karma-Destinn, to be honest.

My Dad's Destinn is close to my Mom's Union, though. There's not much going on in their composite with it, however.

posted November 14, 2013 05:10 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I've never really looked into Union.

With my Twin:

His Union conjunct my Karma
His Union conjunct my Pluto
His Union conjunct my Aphrodite (exact)

My Union conjunct his Destinn
My Union conjunct his Valentine
My Union conjunct his Pluto

Our Unions are also parallel.

...

Just doesn't seem that crucial for me.

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posted November 14, 2013 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Please elaborate how you came to the conclusion, juding from all the conjunctions with Union with your twin, that it is not crucial to you?

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For one, they're wider orbs than I like to consider. But, if we have a pattern going on, then I'll consider widening - as you know.

For me, Destinn and Karma seem to appear more readily in synastries and composites of various soul connexions. Union is ONLY appearing in anything - wide conjunctions - with him. Doesn't that seem ... I dunno; maybe I'm missing something. I have been sick for the past week, so my brain is fuzzy.

I think for us, specifically, Union might relate to our creative synergy. It's exactly on my Merc, loosely on my Eros, and I'll definitely count the conjunction to his Valentine. It's still wide, (2*) but that feels more important. I think it's on his Erato, too, but I can't remember off-hand.

I like the NOTION of Destinn and Union being strong karmic markers. I'm just not seeing it in the data. A few aspects with my Twin, and nothing elsewhere. I would expect more - considering how many karmic relationships I have.

Oh, I WILL say that I'm taking a look at Aeternitas (446) now, after seeing some interesting linkages there.

posted November 15, 2013 01:37 AM              

Well, for my own synastry it is not really all that compellingly strong either, though we have Union conjunct (and parallel) Union exact, and his Union is also conjunct my Adonis (you know the male half of the Aphrodite-Adonis-pairing )

I find this interesting as you had the Union-Aphrodite link, and I looked up my best friend`s synastry with her husband and her Union conjuncts his Aphrodite, too.

If it appears though, it seems to be connected to love-asteroids mostly.
Oh and Union itself or Destinn.

"It's still wide, (2*)"
Well, I think for a conjunction 2 degrees are still pretty valid.

For us personally Karma does not play such a big role, though interestingly in the composite Karma is conjunct Hypnos in Leo in 7th house and both sextile Jupiter in 5th house exact. Nice, but not that compelling I suppose.

Destinn seems to be more relevant, which is funny as he has a conjunction of Karma and Destinn as 2 degrees, both falling onto my MC, but Destinn is the one which is intervowen in the tighter aspects in my chart. Karma pretty much falls out of the orb-grid. lol

posted November 15, 2013 09:17 AM              

(orb is 2°, but I only considered sextiles and quinkunxes that were exact)

(1) my friend and her husband:
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synastry:

her Union opposite his Mars exact
her Union trine his Jupiter exact
her Union square his Amor
her Union conjunct his Aphrodite

his Union quinkunx her ASC exact
his Union sextile her Venus exact
his Union sextile her Mars exact
his Union sextile her Pluto exact
his Union trine her Saturn (DESC-ruler) exact
his Union conjunct her Neptune (MC-ruler) exact
his Union quinkunx her Vesta exact
his Union opposite her amor

Union/amor-DW

composite
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Union conjunct Neptune
Union square Moon (IC-ruler)
Union quinkunx Ceres-Psyche-exact
Union trine Mars (chartruler) exact

Union sesisquare Amor (result from the synastric DW)

(2) a friend and the love of her life

synastry
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her Union trine his ASC exact
her Union quinkunx his Mercury exact
her Union square his Vesta exact
her Union conjunct his Eros
her Union conjunct his Aura exact

His Union (and Amor) opposite her Mercury
her Union quinkunx his Adonis exact (0°00)

Union/Mercury-DW

composite
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Union conjunct Amor
Union square Chiron

Union quindecile Mercury (DESC-ruler) (result of the synastric DW)

(3) my brother and his girlfriend

synastry
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his Union trine her Uranus
his Union conjunct her Amor wide (3)
his Union sextile her Aura exact

her Union trine his Aura

composite
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Union conjunct Atropos exact ( an union was their inevitable fate?)

Union quinkunx Aura
Union square Mercury

(4) my parents

synastry
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his Union conjunct her Mercury (IC-ruler)
his Union quinkunx her Valentine exact
his Union trine her ASC exact

her Union trine his Moon
her Union opposite his Uranus

composite
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Union opopsite Psyche exact

Hmm not to sure what to make of this Union-asteroid, however interestingly in those cases there was some link of Union to Amor, Eros or Psyche.

posted November 15, 2013 09:35 AM              

(1) Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett Browning:
his Union sextile her Eros exact

(2) Paul Newman and his wife:
his Union square her Eros
her Union square his Eros

(connecting the synastric Union-union-conjunction to both Eros-positions)

composite:
Union square Eros exact
Union trine Psyche

83) Johnny Cash - June Carter:

synastry:
her Union conjunct his Amor/Psyche-mp

composite:
Union square Amor
Union opposite Eros

(4) Laurence Olivier - vivien Leigh:

synastry:
none

composite:
Union trine Psyche
Union quinkunx Eros

(eros-Psyche-square)

(5) Paul Mc Cartney and his first wife

synastry:
his Union opposite her Eros exact
her Union opopsite his Amor exact

composite:
Union sextile Eros wide (2 and some)

(6) Pierre Curie - Marie Curie

synastry:
her Union squyre his Psyche

composite:
Union conjunct Amor
Union quinkunx Psyche

(7) Richard Burton - Liz Taylor

synastry:
none

composite:
Union opopsite Amor

posted November 15, 2013 07:51 PM            

His Union conjunct my Valentine
His Union opp my Sappho exact

Union/Cupido dw

posted November 15, 2013 10:11 PM            

Her Union trine His Union 1
Her Union sextile his Valentine/Asc 1

Her Union trine his Mc 2
His Union sq her MC 3

His Union opp her Cupido 3

Composite
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Union conjunct Chiron
Union trine Vesta exact

posted November 16, 2013 01:37 AM            

Union is a LINK. It UNITES two points. Acting as an intermediary. Rather than in and of itself being a personified point, it acts as a joiner for two energies.

posted November 16, 2013 02:22 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
D'oh! Ceri, I think I might've just figured it out.

Union is a LINK. It UNITES two points. Acting as an intermediary. Rather than in and of itself being a personified point, it acts as a joiner for two energies.

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posted November 19, 2013 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Yes, that is how I always saw it.

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posted January 12, 2022 11:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Iqhunk:
In a composite, UNION conj a relevant Asteroid or Planet will prove to be remarkable.

UNION is more of an indicator than a prime mover. AMOR, EROS and LUST for instance are more of action asteroids in comparison.

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I have a composite with Venus 3°51 Sun 4°01 and asteroid Union 5°10 all-conjunct (plus Mercury at 13°) and nothing happened - No “Union” ever

Adding, Jupiter/Uranus/Destinn/Neptune and Saturn-bysign all sextile this stellium

Moon/NN/Karma are conjunct (and this sextiles) the composite Valentine-Juno conjunction of 0.09 degrees

posted January 12, 2022 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by vansio:

I have a composite with Venus 3°51 Sun 4°01 and asteroid Union 5°10 all-conjunct (plus Mercury at 13°) and nothing happened - No “Union” ever

Adding, Jupiter/Uranus/Destinn/Neptune and Saturn-by sign all sextile this stellium

Moon/NN/Karma are conjunct (and this sextiles) the composite Valentine-Juno conjunction of 0.09 degrees

🤷🏽‍♀️ sometimes cynical about astrology.

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Vansio! You're looking at a "composite" chart?
That's the averaged place-degree between yourself and one other person.
It's common to see 'clumps' of faster moving planets come together.

Why be cynical?
Isn't it better when there comes a chemistry, a Spirit-drawn Union between the two individuals?

To Wait for the Right person
might give more pleasurable results over the span of the rest of your life together.
Otherwise, you can wind up in awful state of misery.

Look at it in your own chart,
including sign, and houses.

'Union' can also function as a name-asteroid.
e.g. Serendipity of finding it associated as part of an address, such as Union Street?

Could also relate to a specific kind of Labor Union, as you do your work and travels in life.
Could deal with customers associated with various kinds of organized Unions.

Union can also be a word describing a nation.
Quote: "We the People of the United States,
in Order to form a more perfect Union,
establish Justice,
insure domestic Tranquility,
provide for the common defense,
promote the general Welfare,
and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,..."
ref
Preamble to the Constitution of The United States of America

One place I lived in my youth had a newspaper
called The Union Leader.

These asteroids are not 'limited' in the way you can apply them.

As you live your life, these asteroid-words may come to your attention, in various ways in different times of your Life. Do not limit them to one-definition only. Let them show you how.

Take those events as a sign/oracle.
Markers on the journey of life.

TODAY Jan 12 2022
Capricorn
Transiting Venus, still in rx, and 1585 Union (in direct mo) are crisscrossing each other inside the degree of 16+ Capricorn.

My 2nd House Cusp (placidus)
is Capricorn 15.48

Natal Capricorn 16+ H2
contains the following rx asteroids:
69230 Hermes,
2024 McLaughlin,
6583 Destinn 16.16' rx
2815 Soma,
429 Lotis,
3047 Goethe,
6271 Farmer,
4341 Poseidon,
1388 Aphrodite, and
1034 Mozartia

These-above are quintile my Juno r Scorpio 4+ H11.
Sextile Saturn rx Scorpio 16+ H11.
Quintile P.o.Spirit {Vocation} Pisces 28+ H(3)

Asteroid 6583 Destinn
was actually named for a famous Opera Singer.
Story here--
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/004793.html

Placement:
1585 Union rx Libra 28.38
conjuncts Neptune r Libra 25.50 in H10.
I've had a life-long interest in the pursuit of higher spirituality and The Mystical.
There's something called The Mystical 'Union'.

Quote: Wikipedia
What is the mystical union?
Mystical union may refer to:
Mysticism,
the pursuit or experience of direct communion
between a believer and an ultimate reality,
divinity, spiritual truth, or God.

Quote: Encyclopedia.com
{ref Teresa of Avila, R.C. Carmelite Nun}
MYSTICAL UNION
Mystical union may be described as the relationship between a person and God
in the highest degrees of the mystical life.
. .
Ordinarily, mystical union is said to have three stages:
* prayer of union,
* prayer of ecstatic union, and
* prayer of transforming union (mystical marriage).

* In the prayer of union
the soul is deeply aware of God's presence.
All the internal powers of the soul, including the memory and imagination,
are captivated and occupied with God.
This union, usually of short duration,
is marked by the absence of distractions,
and the certainty of being deeply united to God.

* The prayer of ecstatic union
differs from the prayer of union in that
the external senses are also suspended or captivated.
As the intensity of the mystical union grows,
it becomes so great that the body cannot withstand it and so falls into ecstasy.
In this union the Holy Spirit,
acting through His gifts,
so intimately and ardently unites the soul to God
that the natural weakness of the subject cannot withstand the intensity of the light and love communicated.
The soul falls into ecstasy,
and this causes the body to experience an alienation of the senses.

* In the prayer of transforming union (mystical marriage)
there is a complete transformation of the soul into the Beloved.
God gives Himself to the soul
and the soul gives itself to God
in a certain consummation of divine love,
so that the soul shares in God's life as fully as is possible in this life.
This union is more or less permanent;
the soul is more conscious than ever of the Blessed Trinity.
The soul is absorbed in seeking the honor of God,
eagerly desiring to undertake anything
or suffer anything that God may will.

Bibliography--
Teresa of Avila,
Interior Castle in Complete Works,
{see link for extended REF}
- http://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-map s/mystical-union

More
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Teresa_of_Avila,_Saint

(article)
Asteroid Goddesses and the Mystic Way:
Models of Spiritual Transformation
by James Rodgers, MD
- http://www.astro.com/astrology/aa_article150402_e.htm