posted November 16, 2013 09:29 PM            

When you're with him somehow it makes you feel more attuned to all people, his energy affects your confidence, your ability to trust your instincts and discern people's motives. He helps you clarify what other people expect from you and have to offer you.

Together you might feel a sort of tension about how social you are as a couple, with him feeling very driven to go out and make all kinds of friends, and you needing to have more of a spiritual framework within the social circle in order to thrive and feel comfortable. When you reconcile that tension and mutually seek out social situations that appeal to you both, you may find yourselves playing a central role within the group and lifting the vibration of it, which, depending on his other aspects, could make him feel like he's accomplishing what he was born to do, and soothes your soul, at least until pressure comes to conform more to the group dynamic. You really can't do that wholeheartedly; spiritual balance needs a lot of freedom to maintain itself.

Let me know if that fits whatsoever, I'm not a real astrologer, 'just like speculating for fun.

posted November 17, 2013 04:17 AM            

After all it was Pluto who took Cere`s` daughter away, making her dry up all earth; he forced a (partial) loss on her, made her sacrifice someone or something that she was clinging to. Of course this sacrifice was needed, as Ceres mothering twoards Prosperina had grown smothering.

On the other hand Ceres demanded her fair share of Proserpina back, not being afraid to keep the whole world hostage (and devoid of nutrition and nurturing) to get her daughter back.

In the end there was some sort of compromise, but of course the situation, as it had been in the beginning, had utterly changed.

posted November 17, 2013 05:14 AM            

do you remember that we talked about that gay guy I had been crushing on many years ago? (well I mentioned him in last mail, too )

His Pluto was opposite my Ceres, and his Chiron was conjunct my Ceres (all with about one degree orb).

Most probably his ASC was conjunct my Ceres, too (I know his ASC-sign, and rectified it to the degree - so there is of course still a bit of doubt, but it seems to fit well).

Anyway his Pluto of course made other connections to my chart as well (trine Venus, square Mars, ASC, Neptune, NN and a bunch of asteroids).

His Pluto fell into my 9th house (oh and coincidentally conjunct my Hekate, Lilith and well, as I said bunch of asteroids).

Interestingly with my current crush we have it in reverse.
His Ceres sits on my IC, trines my ASC (Mars,NN, Neptune), squares my Venus, but the thing that got my attention was how my Pluto is opposite his Ceres. Though for him, my Pluto falls into his 7th house, while his Ceres falls into my 4th.

I do think that the combination of Pluto-Ceres is an intense one, not even in romantic terms, but just intense. They are equals, but in a way they are also opponents, not really enemies though.
Pluto HAS to take something away from Ceres, something she thought was safe, but which kept her and everythng else from growing and evolving.
On the other hand Ceres also has a right to express her nurturing and caring, as she feels it. She just has to do it so, that she will not smother the other.

Interestingly in the case of both crushes I menetioned, there was a Pluto-Proserpina-theme as well.

Crush No 1:
my Pluto was trineh is Proserpina and opposite his Persephone. (which coincidentally lands on the other guy`s Ceres. lol)

Ctrush No 2:
my Pluto trines his Proserpina
his Pluto sextils my Proserpina

Interestingly both guy`s PRoserpina is in Aquarius, on 8°09 Aqua and 7°24 Aqua.

There was actually a third one, who played a role in that "novel" of mine, and his PRoserpina is on 7°40 Aqua.

Coincidence?

They are all from different ages btw.

EDIT:
oh and no 3 and me also share a Pluto-proserpina-DW (his Pluto squares my Proserpina exact, mine trines his proserpina)

posted November 17, 2013 08:08 AM            

Psyche in Taurus (conj. Ceres herself) opposing Eros in Scorpio at the base of the chart - a soulmate pairing, running along the most intense axis, transformation, and delving into the underworld - how apt!

A Moon-Amor-conjunction in Cancer in 12th house - there is this giving compassionate, unconditional loving vibe, but also, well we know how posessive (emotionally) Cancer can be.

Moon is also conjunct Jupiter on 1 Leo, which gives the generous vibe after all, it makes things a bit less serious there.

Another soulmate pairing:

Isis on 7 Cancer trine Osiris on 6 Pisces in 7th house.

Sabian symbols:

NN on 13 Aries (Kundalini degree)
A Serpent Coiling Near A Man And A Woman

Moon on 28 Cancer
A Greek Muse Weighing Newborn Twins In Golden Scales

Amor on 27 Cancer
An Indian Girl Introduces Her White Lover To Her Assembled Tribe

Psyche 20 TAurus
A Finger Pointing To A Line In An Open Book

Eros 22 Scorpio
A Rabbit Metamorphoses Into A Nature Sprit
(another Kundalini degree)

Isis 7 Cancer
A Group Of Rabbits Dressed in Human Clothes Walk As If On Parade

Osiris 6 Pisces
Illumined By A Shaft Of Light, A Large Cross Lies On Rocks Surrounded By Sea

I start thinking this lady in the chart is VASTLY underestimated and misunderstood, and seems to have more meaning in sexual/ sensual or tantric sense than we might have been aware of.

Speaking of Tantra.

Kaali on 29 Cancer conjunct Moon, Amor and Jupitr! JEEZ.

This chart also features a Hera-Zeus-square at one degree.

This lady`s natal chart (well her discovery chart) has a bit much in terms of soulmate pairings going on.

Interestingly though the Pluto-Proserpina-paiting does not seem to come up. lol

posted November 17, 2013 11:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I do think that the combination of Pluto-Ceres is an intense one, not even in romantic terms, but just intense. They are equals, but in a way they are also opponents, not really enemies though.
Pluto HAS to take something away from Ceres, something she thought was safe, but which kept her and everything else from growing and evolving.
On the other hand Ceres also has a right to express her nurturing and caring, as she feels it. She just has to do it so, that she will not smother the other.

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Very helpful information, as always, Ceri, particularly this quote. I've been trying to get a better handle on Ceres lately.

I don't see a strong Ceres/Pluto connection in synastry with my current flame, but he does have an exact Ceres/Pluto trine in his natal chart. How would you see natal aspects between these two playing out?

posted November 17, 2013 12:01 PM            

Pluto sextile ASC more closely, Ceres by ~2 as they're trine

I was just reflecting to someone that I also have Atropos conjunct Ceres and Requiem on my Venus, as if to go with death or underworld type themes on other levels as well. Offhand it would seem that Atropos next to Ceres offers a way to possibly make a clearer cut from her aprons but otherwise I don't know what to say about my pattern. My mother was a bit of a fussing hen mother from some angles but overall I don't consider it to have been particularly stifling or anything. Her Ceres was 29.05 Tau on my Sun/Moon MP, trine my brother's NN.

Funnily enough, her Proserpina is conjunct the Pluto of a man with whom my synastry's quite interesting, mentioned further below in more detail. Her mother's Ceres is 14 Pisces opposite that Proserpina, too, and my grandmother's Persephone is opposite my Ceres by 2.

My Ceres is also 2 conjunct my grandmother's NN at 6 Gem

My grandmother's Ceres/Pluto MP is also square my Proserpina AND her Demeter/Pluto MP opposite it

Grandmother's Proserpina is trine her Neptune, my Sun.
My mother's Persephone is trine her Neptune and my Proserpina makes it a grand trine.
My Neptune/drac ASC is opposite my Ceres and conj my grandmother's Persephone

Mother has Pluto on her SN, her mother's Sun-Moon-Merc

My Demeter's 24.20 Taurus, antiscion 5.40ish Leo near the 6.53 Leo ASC
Mother's Demeter 22.02 Pis (my BML)
Mother's Demeter/Pluto MP = her Persephone (near my AVX)

It's confusing to keep track of and I probably either duplicated or left out something.

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Would you consider Ceres conjunct MC a nurturing influence on someone's career or something else relating to the MC in synastry? In this case it's also Ceres opposite Persephone, so how do you see such relations? Uneasy or magnetising or what? If it was Pluto on someone's MC I suppose I could see it as their breaking the Persephone out of the IC-side's comfort, but Ceres never seemed inclined to get Persephone/Proserpina away from them so how do you interpret the opposition if Ceres is on the MC?

posted November 17, 2013 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
According to her discovery chart Ceres has a lot to do with serious soul-connections, but with Saturn rising and Valentine-Venus on the DESC, maybe TOO serious at times.

Psyche in Taurus (conj. Ceres herself) opposing Eros in Scorpio at the base of the chart ...

Sabian symbols:

Amor on 27 Cancer
An Indian Girl Introduces Her White Lover To Her Assembled Tribe

I start thinking this lady in the chart is VASTLY underestimated and misunderstood, and seems to have more meaning in sexual/ sensual or tantric sense than we might have been aware of.

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I think my Ceres 2 conj Psyche opposite my Neptune actually mirrors some of the discovery chart's conditions, so that's interesting given my ASC/MP contacts and more on the side. My two main name asteroids are conjunct Ceres and Persephone likewise, their MP likewise falling on my ASC.

Ceres is conj my name, Pomona, Varuna, Aglaja and more. Aglaja is the Grace whose name Keela hails from, that connection being entirely accidental or discovered after picking Keela here. Pomona was an orchard goddess or some such from what I recall, and the one Vertumnus/Vertex wanted.

Ceres also seems to have her Amor conjunct my Saturn, which is currently interesting to me since the figure mentioned above has their Saturn on my Amor-Osiris (and their Osiris on my Saturn in turn).

EDIT:

My draconic Demeter conj my mother's drac Pluto 28 Virgo

COMPOSITE:
Demeter 2 conj Moon 21.48-23 Ari
Ceres 3.33 Gem opp Proserpina 1.25 Sag (Ceres trine my IC-Persephone)
Grand Cross with 3.17 Vir Sat and 3.14 R Pis Chiron
Persephone conj ASC-Sun 10-11 Leo
Pluto 13.59 Virgo (mother's Proserpina)

I'm not sure about the other person's angles, the man mentioned, but it's also possible that my draconic Ceres is conj their MC, too, not just their Ceres on my MC. If that was the case, my Proserpina is trine their DC as well. It's speculative on that front, but my draconic Ceres is opposite their draconic Ceres/Pluto MP in any case.
Mother's draconic Ceres/Pluto MP = opp my Proserpina.

Current transits at midnight in a couple of hours:

posted November 17, 2013 02:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Very helpful information, as always, Ceri, particularly this quote. I've been trying to get a better handle on Ceres lately.

I don't see a strong Ceres/Pluto connection in synastry with my current flame, but he does have an exact Ceres/Pluto trine in his natal chart. How would you see natal aspects between these two playing out?

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I reserached some synastry charts and was astounded how often Ceres/Pluto, Pluto/Proserpine or Ceres/Proserpina were coming up. Some of the most intense of these seemed to have Ceres/Pluto or Pluto/Proserpina, while Ceres/Proserpina seemed to have been more balanced, harmonious.

Anyway, in a natal chart (well I have it myself, exact quinkunx of Pluto in Libra to Ceres in Pisces), it connects the theme of death and rebirth.

Ceres-Pluto-people often experience these themes strongly intertwined, the fear of loss and the pain of separation strikes extremely hard.
However over time they grow and learn that after each death a rebirth follows. It is cyclic, and they will gain a deep understanding of this cyclic nature of separation and return. Phoenix from the ashes, seems to me apt. and they will undergo cathartic processes once in a while; it might be similiar to Moon/Pluto in this regard.

In a trine though I guess the transformations will occur more smoothly and Pluto might simply deepen the capicity for nurturing, caring and protection of Ceres.

posted November 17, 2013 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:

Would you consider Ceres conjunct MC a nurturing influence on someone's career or something else relating to the MC in synastry? In this case it's also Ceres opposite Persephone, so how do you see such relations? Uneasy or magnetising or what?.

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Yes. Also the MC-IC- axis is indicative of parental bonds, especially with Ceres-Persephone running along this axis. It seems to resonate with strong maternal bonds, or maternal feelings.

posted November 20, 2013 05:41 AM            

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Originally posted by jenny415:
I have Pluto square Ceres dw in synastry (and dw moonpluto)with someone- can someone interpret that?

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very intense emotions. kathartic emotional experiences. not neccessarily romantic, but affecting you on a soulful level deeply.
Usually Pluto in tension with Ceres or Moon means something has to be sacrificed, or rather transformed.
Ceres as well as Pluto tend to hold onto something/ someone they love tightly, for dear life so to speak, and it can become too overwhelming and destructively posessive.
So a learn process has to take care, where you both learn to give each other enough space to breathe and yet still feel that intense nurturing, caring and sense of belonging to each other.

posted November 20, 2013 05:43 AM            

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Originally posted by lisalisa:
How about my south node conjuncts my ceres in the 12th natally his pluto not only conjuncts my ceres but also my south node..
Is it a romantic aspect?

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Not a romantic aspect per se, but EXTREMELY deep and emotionally intense. The feeling of bonding at a soul level might be very strong. For the interpretation it is similiar to what I wrote in the thread above, just that in a conjunction it might be a bit less volatile, however the merging factor is greater and thus the difficulty to be able to let go even more intense.