posted November 16, 2013 01:57 PM            

Remember that old song by Prince? That'd be a good theme for the hapless hatter in Carroll's Wonderland. He doesn't know he's mad, of course - or does he? His responses, actions, and reactions seem perfectly logical to him - just not to anyone else.

As expected, Madhatter is simply 'maddening'. A sort of Neptune/Uranus energy with some Mercury Retrograde thrown in for good measure. What else would you expect from a denizen of Wonderland?

Unlike Alice (291) Madhatter is our capacity for insanity. Expect the unexpected with him. Here, we're liable to be contrary, inappropriate, and downright insane. Tricky thing is, we may not even know it - as all seems perfectly right to us.

Sign indicates our 'style' of crazy - the way in which we let loose, 'go nuts', act bizarrely or just flat muck things up. House placement gives clues as to where this tends to occur, and in what areas of our lives or experience. Aspects further detail 'abilities' or means utilised to create insanity, paradox and maddening confusion.

It's best to remember that the Hatter was a human man, however, who simply found himself in Wonderland and ended up stuck there at a perpetual tea-party.

Situations and circumstances which would be otherwise mundane end up bizarre and running absolutely not according to any plan. Positive aspects show how the 'craziness' may actually work in our favour. Afflictions tend to further complicate and wreck any sense or order or logical progression.

posted November 16, 2013 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Moon is Lunatic:
I have it conjunct my sun in cancer almost exact.

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posted November 16, 2013 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Sun is Lunatic too!

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yes, what I thought. lol

posted November 16, 2013 02:42 PM            

I just realized my Madhatter is conjunct my Mum`s MErcury exactly.
Yeah, I suppose I make her a bit crazy at times.

and my Madhatter`s exactly conjunct my best friend`s Alice.

posted November 16, 2013 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Sun is Lunatic too!

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Lol

posted November 16, 2013 02:54 PM            

Ahhh, it beautifully completes my Sag Mercury.

posted November 16, 2013 03:55 PM            

Indeed, things will go smoother if Alice and Madhatter understand each other.

I'm inclined to share a personal story.

My Hatter (Madhatter-Valentine parallel 8H Sun and VX, square Pluto/Uranus, sextile Moon-BML, trine Mars, semisextile Mercury, quincunx Vesta/Neptune, square Amor, sextile Amor - AKA 'it's active') and I did something we never, ever do after we first became acquainted and started working together.

We would spend ridiculous blocks of time in each other's company. Insane blocks of time, to be frank. 10-12 hours, starting in the latter evening kind of insane. As expected, we'd end up finding several times that the sun had set and risen during that period.

Being a working actor, he was frequently coming from the set on which he'd worked since, oh, sunrise that day.

This means he was effectively awake for a good 24 hours, or so, weekly, if not more.

Active Madhatter + Sleep Deprivation = Carry A Notepad Everywhere Because It's Too Memorable To Forget.

One such was known as The Vorpal Carpet Incident. (He's yet to live this one down.)

Once, upon near-leaving, he missed the door handle and tripped over his own feet. This was the conversation. (Because I'm a writer, I do actually record such moments. I can't not.)

'Gah! Terribly sorry, your vorpal carpet got me.'
' ... my what?'
'Your vorpal carpet.'
(I stared. Of course, he went on to explain.)
'Oh, you mean you didn't know? Common misconception. Hear me.'
(He leant in as if delivering a secret.)
'The vorpal carpet is a wily creature, often mistaken for actual floor covering. No, no, no. THAT is how they get you. See, they lie in wait, eager to strike at the one opportune moment in which you could be blamed for your own clumsiness.'
' ... In other words, you're so exhausted that you're nearly about to fall over, and thus tripped over your own feet.'
'Ridiculous. It was the vorpal carpet.'

Just the other day, (the 'Incident' was three years ago), we'd recalled it, and he said: 'it seemed so logical at the time. It still does. Oh, that's frightening.'

posted November 16, 2013 04:40 PM            

MADHATTER IN ARIES
Both forceful and a bit daffy in his madness, often utilising over-the-top and usually inappropriate methods to draw attention to himself. It's easy to see that, like a child, he's just trying to be entertaining - but woe betide if no one's paying attention. Insanity, after all, is best with an audience. Careful that you don't literally give others a headache, as they attempt to wrap their brains around your all-too-'that's-EXACTLY-how-it-is!' assertions, which quite likely only are, or even make sense, to you. If you had a fighting style, it'd be Zui Quan. Or maybe just throwing ducks at people and running away shouting, 'FIRE!'. That's effective. You may have a crazy passion for the colour Red.

MADHATTER IN TAURUS
He's got some kooky ideas surrounding personal resources, especially his finances. Money may be spent (or even saved!) and he's no idea how it got there - or left. A rather peculiar concept of luxury, too; maybe a preference for the stranger fragrances and less popular flavours. Terribly stubborn in stating his decidedly odd ideas, too. Fortunately, he's often too wrapped up in contemplating his next bizarre move to bother anyone too much with his madness. Tea and dormouse droppings, anyone? No? Strange .... Suppose nobody's up for a mud-bath, either? It's wonderful for the skin, you know.

MADHATTER IN GEMINI
Here's the guy who asks riddles with no answers, and loves it when a plan falls completely apart. (He hates plans.) He communicates in a bizarre, contrary fashion, and secretly loves confusing people. (And not always so secretly.) He'll wax on about how insane some one or some thing is, completely unaware that his criticisms are what's off-kiltre. Maybe there's a cause to his madness; maybe he's easily bored and amusing himself and everyone in the vicinity. He's a hard Madhatter to daunt and ebullient in most everything. Adaptable to a fault, it's routine, prejudice, and myopia he can't stand - even if his own ideas, and mental processes are nothing short of inexplicable, inscrutable, arguably maddening - but always upbeat. He may adopt odd hobbies 'just because' and thrives on being contrary for the sake of it (and by that, I mean as logical, rational, and consistent as possible. Didn't see that one coming - did you?)

MADHATTER IN CANCER
He can tell your fortune - so long as it's completely wrong. His third-eye has cataracts, and his intuition just can't be trusted. He may've come from a 'crazy family' and put up with more than most in the nest - especially mom. Cooking and child-rearing is another area where everything's liable to go topsy-turvy. He's moody, too, so much depends upon how he's feeling at the moment. You might opt to decorate your home in a fashion considered bizarre or offbeat. Like your Taurean Madhatter pals, have a preference for unusual culinary dishes and 'acquired taste' cuisines.

MADHATTER IN LEO
In case you were wondering, Aries Madhatter, it's NOT all about you - it's about him. Just trust him on that - as arguing the point will get you nowhere. He loves to have fun, and is the quintessential partygoer which inevitably wears a lampshade. Clever, with the classically Leo sunny disposition, he's theatrical, more than a bit flamboyant and will do zany things to be the centre of attention. You're quite a showstopper though, and have no qualms when it comes to being in the spotlight - and doing nutty things while you're there. There's probably a larger per centage than average of Leo Madhatters going viral on the web - not by accident, either. Now, you're not one to sacrifice your dignity for a laugh - but you'll do more than most to get that 5 minutes of fame.

MADHATTER IN VIRGO
Let's face it. There's something a bit off about this guy, but it's hard to place. He's rather polite for a Madhatter, but he's a worrywart, too, practically inventing things to obsess over. Is that a ladder? Put it away. Did you wash your hands before you made that sandwich? Please say you did. Is the waterpark ... clean? How often do they maintain those rides? What's the per centage of accidents by boat compared to those by horse and buggy? Yes, after awhile, it descends into madness. What begins as a useful cautious attitude quickly becomes a nigh agoraphobic distrust of everyone and everything. Nothing is clean enough, safe enough, or true enough. He's more than satisfied hanging out at his perpetual, consistent, unchanging tea party with all known, pre-calculated, fully understood factors. And, try as you might, your best laid plans always seem to fall through somehow. It's a mystery to you, too.

posted November 16, 2013 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I want him to be my friend

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Yeah, I'm about to unleash him on the world soon. He's been less than willing to accept that we're in the 21st century, and social networking has been slow going.

posted November 16, 2013 04:47 PM            

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He's been less than willing to accept that we're in the 21st century, and social networking has been slow going.

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I definitely want him to be my friend

posted November 16, 2013 05:03 PM            

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posted November 16, 2013 06:14 PM            

And the following will be beating a dead horse, but should definitely prove useful in Madhatter influence studies:

The ex-college roommate whose name asteroids T-square my Madhatter was the ex-boyfriend/ex-fiancee of my college ex (yes, they were together when I was rooming with him). He was kinda nuts himself, so it should be no surprise to any of you that they were that far along before they split. This was before she and me were together by the way. (Yes, another "what the hell was I thinking" vector in that whole thing).

After me the college-ex saw for a month or so another guy she left me for. Same name as the ex-college roommates.

The other friend who shares the same first name asteroid with the ex-college roommate was the friend I had the .... drama... with the most recent ex with. On my last vacation he also had a few beers and, somehow in my group at the time talking about previous histories, he decided to announce out loud in the middle of a very crowded bar where the sound had just softened so everyone could hear what I had just discussed in confidence and low voice. (length between partners if you must know. It's been a bit and I'm certain has contributed to my moodiness considerably, especially given the last few burns, especially considering it's people I trusted.) I have not contacted him much if at all since that trip, and the online gaming session where he and I almost jumped through the internet to deck one another... Yeah, we haven't been talking.

Best friend from high school, well we've had our crazy moments. I've also had no contact with him in about a month or so for the second time this year. Plus transit Saturn's approaching this ... colossal cluster(fill in the blank) - will also be aspecting the T-Square mentioned. He's kinda seeing someone and I tend to give him plenty of breathing room when he's seeing someone but this feels different).

Given the semisextile to the last "didn't happen"... which involved the above-mentioned friend... could be contributing to the months at a time not-contacting on my part. Though we've still gotten together since then, and always with other friends, I'm still very sore about it and currently I also seem to be witnessing a downfall of his.

The same name asteroid semisextile to my Madhatter also shares with a woman I know from online gaming... she seemed interested at one point, but... 1: Long distance. 2: Already had a couple kids to another now-ex-friend from the same game (he got in more trouble later with someone else but that's beside the point), which raised the drama-flag with me... and 3: she was down on herself an awful lot and with me trying to stay above water, it was best I just left this one go. Haven't talked to her in months. I do not need that negativity in my life.

The friend who's last name asteroid in Aquarius squares my Madhatter, he's been a bit nuts himself his whole life. We haven't wound up trying to date the same women (how this has turned out to be I have no idea other than different tastes I guess) and... advice: do NOT bring up his exes to him. It's a VERY sore point with him. I rarely see him anymore, and only ran into him the last couple times at what was until recently my most common bar purely by chance.

I haven't dated any Jennifers and given the above info, I will be ...taking this into consideration... if my next interest happens to have that name o.O (...come to think of it, I don't think I've ever developed an interest in any Jennifers romantically, though a psychic couple back in college suggested a Jennifer could be a likely partner... this never materialized. I must emphasize: "Yet.")

My last name asteroid Quincunx Madhatter, almost too perfect. Madhatter being an apex for a Yod from Drakonia and my last name asteroid gets pretty interesting considering my dad's a bit nuts himself and he has an novel he was working on but never finished that involved a dragon. Would've been cool if he would ever finish it... a bad habit I seem to have inherited Also, I seem to have very little contact other than incidental run-ins with my cousins. And after what the last one I ran into told me, seems he's all but feeling the lack of ties even among his brothers/sister. If we must be a dysfunctional family, I suppose I've got the best case of it with the "we just don't talk" vibe going. Except for funerals the last several years it seems, then we seem to meet. Then little or nothing.

Looking at the above...

... You know something?! I seriously need new friends, if all but the one (the one I said never mention exes around) could even be considered as such!!!

Why have I put up with this for so long?

Moving on!!! - Madhatter lives up to its name in my chart ... And considering its 12th house placement... I suppose you could say 12th house really IS related to "Secret Enemies". How appropriate all of the above also aspects Nemesis in my chart.

posted November 16, 2013 06:23 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I definitely want him to be my friend

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I'll definitely pass it on. He's about to start writing a movie critique blog, since he's such a cinephile and his descriptions are really just hysterical. Combine that with his anachronism, and it's like movie reviews by V (from V for Vendetta) - on a caffeine buzz. Very theatrical and somehow charming in their zaniness.

posted November 16, 2013 06:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Wow Time to get some new asteroids! Thanks!

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You do such a great, often thankless, service by introducing me to many new sky-rocks, I thought I'd attempt to return the favour.

posted November 16, 2013 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by BlackSeraph:
... Madhatter lives up to its name in my chart ... And considering its 12th house placement... I suppose you could say 12th house really IS related to "Secret Enemies". How appropriate all of the above also aspects Nemesis in my chart.

Thanks for finding this asteroid... you've given me a lot more to think about that really needed to be thought about.

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Wow, BS (which I mean with sincere affection, despite the unfortunate truncation!) I'm rather speechless. Not just because I had a similar college experience (really!) but that your analysis was so thorough and exacting while encompassing so much - I'm just in a bit of awe.

I'm so glad that my own research could bring such insight. The Carrollian asteroids have held my attention for awhile, but it's taken time to seriously interpret them, considering all origination factors, and studying the known data.

Madhatter was once listed as 'that which drives you mad as a hatter', which I could see at first brush, until I started working with Alice, and realising THAT was the point in which we encounter the bizarre and unknown.

At Madhatter, we indeed have a role in the crazy-making, whether unconscious or in order to progress along our path. Looking at MH in synastry (where I'd like to venture next) seems an area ripe with potential.

More than anything, when taken outside of ourselves, it seems MH runs the range of being harmless, entertaining silliness to dangerous things like psychological abuse - especially gaslighting. I wonder how many have synastric aspects of Dejanira with Madhatter, who've suffered such things?

posted November 16, 2013 07:19 PM            

Dad: Madhatter at 29 Tau 55'13" near his Descendant of 1 Gem 01' and on Alcyone/Pleiades. Squares my Sun at 0 Vir 15'31", and conjuncts my Medusa/Destinn/Rudra stellium. This explains a few things.

Best friend from High School who I haven't talked to in a month: His Madhatter at 26° Aqu 6'30" semisextiles my first name asteroid at 24° Pis 43'46" ... given what I posted about that little rivalry, interesting that I would see this placement now. He also seems to have Madhatter square Wildcat (26° Sco 31'37" Rx) like I do, just different signs/degrees.

College ex (assumed noon chart, didn't know birthtime): Her Madhatter at approximately 9° Ari 56'54" conjuncts her BAM at ~8° Ari 53'27". Also semisextiles her:
- 1930 Lucifer (~9° Tau 27'25")
- 203 Pompeja (~9° Tau 53'18")
- 2247 Hiroshima (~10° Pis 12'46")
Those three conjunct my Moon/Chiron. ...oh my... ...yes, accurate I'd say. Yes, she had an explosive temper too.
Her Madhatter also quincunxed her 4464 Vulcano (~9° Sco 20'19") and her middle name asteroid (~10° Sco 58'51" SD), which themselves conjuncted my Ixion/Uranus and opposed my Moon/Chiron. ...well, this could be a case study in explosive synastry as well as the Madhatter influence. - Madhatter in her chart also Quincunx her Saturn (~8° Vir 59'32"), trined her Jupiter (~9° Leo 54'34") and 55 Pandora (~11° Leo 14'14")