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Gabby
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posted November 26, 2013 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People have mentioned wanting one place to find the asteroid pairs....im sure I've missed some, so please feel free to contribute and then we can have a good reference place for all the asteroid couples!

Sun-Moon
Mars-Venus
Jupiter-Juno
Jupiter-Themis(24) (gave birth to Irene)
Saturn-Rhea(577)
Uranus-Gaea(1184)(gave birth to Themis)
Pluto-Persephone(26),Proserpina(399)**some use (504)Cora for Kore
Chiron-Chariklo(10199)
Neptune-Salacia (120347)
24,577,1184,26,399,504,10199,120347

Adam(1996)-Eva(164)
1996,164

Adonis(2101) Phaeton(3200) Ankhises(1173)-Aphrodite(1388), Ishtar(7088), Innamen(3497), Astarte(672)

APHRODITE was the great Olympian goddess of pleasure, joy, beauty, love and procreation.
These are Aphrodite's sexual liaisons with mortal men. Although five are described by classical writers, only the stories of Adonis and Ankhises are elaborated upon to any substantial degree. The former was connected with a popular cult of the goddess introduced from the East, while the latter formed an integral part of the celebrated Trojan War saga.

In ancient Greek and Roman art, only the stories of Adonis and Phaon make a significant appearance.

APHRODITE MORTAL LOVES
2101 ADONIS A Prince of the island of Kypros (in West Asia), who was loved by Aphrodite. She bore him a daughter, Beroe, before he fell before the tusks of the jealous Ares disguised as a boar.
1173 ANKHISES A Shepherd-Prince of Dardania (near Troy, Asia Minor) who was loved by the goddess Aphrodite - some say Zeus sought to punish her with a lowly mate for causing the gods to fall in love with an endless string of mortal women. She bore him two sons Aeneas and Lyros.
BOUTES A Lord of Attika (in Southern Greece) and one of the Argonauts. He was rescued by Aphrodite when he leapt into to the sea under the charm of the Seirenes. She carried him off to Italia as her lover and bore a son, Eryx.
3200 PHAON Phaon was a boy loved by Aphrodite. He was perhaps the same as Phaethon (below) or Adonis.
PHAETHON An Athenian lord, son of the goddess Eos and her motal love Kephalos, who was carried off by Aphrodite to Syria. There she made him guardian of her temple and bore him a son Astynoos.

Ariadne(43)-Dionysos(2063), Bacchus(3671)

Amphitrite (29)-Poseidon(4341)
2101,3200,1173,1388,7088,3497,672,43,2063,3671,29,4341

Aurora (94)-Tithonus(6998)-Aurora was the ancient Roman equivalent of Eos. Eos was the ancient Greek goddess of the dawn. Aurora is the Latin word for dawn.

Aurora renews herself every morning at dawn and flies across the sky. She announces the morning's arrival. She has a brother and a sister. Her brother is the sun, and her sister is the moon. She also has many husbands and four sons, one for each cardinal direction: North, East, South, and West.

Aurora is comparable to Eos in Greek mythology and to Ushas in Hindu mythology.
One of her lovers was Tithonus. Aurora asked Zeus to grant immortality to Tithonus. However, she failed to ask him for eternal youth. As a result, Tithonus ended up aging eternally.

Ask(4894) Embla(4895) - First man and woman in Norse Mythology

Bathesheba(592)-David(511)
Calpurnia was married to Ceasar-(2542)
Caesar(18458)-Kleopatra(216)
71445 Marc
12580 Antonini
272 Antonia
609 Fulvia

Cyllarus(52975) Hylonome(10370)
94,6998,4894,4895,592,511,18458,216,52975,10370

Deucalion(53311)-Pyrrha(632)

Eros(433), Amor (1221), Cupido(763)-Psyche(16)-Ambrosia(193)

Endymion(342)-Selene(580),Artemis(105),Diana(78)
53311,632,1221,433,763,16,193,342,580,105,78

Eric(4954)-Enid(13436)

Groom(5129), Groombridge(5657)-Briede(19029), Mcbride(15834)

Hercules(5143)-Dejanira(157), Hebe(6)

4954,13436,5129,5657,19029,15834,5143,157,6


Iduna(176)-Brage (4572)

King(2305)-Queen(5457)

Lancelot (2041),Arthur(2597)-Guinevere(2483), Ginevra(613), (10870)Gwendolen, (358376)Gwyn,(2993) Wendy

10870 Gwendolen, 2993 Wendy-2598 Merlin

Odysseus(1143)-Penelope(201)
176,4572,2305,5457,2041,2597,2483,613,1143,201

Rosaline and Orlando-
Orlandi(35324)-Rosalinde(900), Ganymede(1036)**Shakespeare's play "As You Like"

Orpheus(3361)-Eurydike(75)

Odin(3989), Wodan(2155)-Frigga(77), Freia(76), Vanadis(240)version of Goddess Freia

Paris(3317)-Helena (101), **Oenone(215)

Basically, when Paris was a shepherd he met Oenone, who was a mountain nymph, and they fell in love and had a son together named Corythus. Then he met the 3 goddesses (the golden apple incident), where Aphrodite told him that she would give him the most beauitful woman in the whole world - Helen - and Paris forgot all about Oenone and ditched her in favor of Helen. This is when the whole Tale of Troy began.
Oenone sent her son Corythus to Troy to claim his birthright as the royalty of Troy (since he is the son of Prince Paris) after a while, and when Corythus went to Paris's apartment he found Helen there by herself, Paris being in the back room. He then (I forget) clung to her, or something, and when Paris heard her shrieks he rushed out and killed the young man "harassing" his wife, after which he found out that the young boy was his son. He regretted it a lot...

Then the last event was when Paris was shot by Philoctetes's poisoned arrow, and Paris remembered Oenone and knew that she was the only one who could save him (with her medicinal/nymph powers...), and the palace members brought him up to her cave. However, Oenone turned him away coldly, saying, "Go back to your beautiful Helen; see how she can save you now" or something similar. So Paris was carried back to the palace, and he died since she wouldn't help him. When Paris was being burned on his funeral pyre, Oenone suddenly rushed in and threw herself beside him, being consumed by the flames with him...she realized her folly and became overcome with remorse, and rushed down to die with him.

Pyramus(88)-Thisbe(14871)

Pygmalion(96189)-Galatea(74) after Pygmalion had sworn off women due to their lack of quality and integrity he created a master piece a statue of woman made of marble, her name was Galatea. After working so hard and spending so much time caring for her he fell in love. Aphrodite saw his love for her and brought her to life and she loved him.

Rebekka(572)-Izsak(1546)
35324,900,1036,3361,75,3989,2155,77,76
3317,101,215,88,14871,96189,74,572,1546


Simpson(Samson)(4788)-Delila (Delilah) (560)
Sheba(1196)-Solomin (10054)

Thor(a)(299)/Donar(2176)-Sif(4484)

Tristan(1966)-Isolda(211)

Yeshuhua(3241),Isa(1485), Jessie(10464)
Maria(170),Mary(2779), Magdelena (318)

Isa-Jesus in Islam

Josefa(649)-Mary(2779)

Ibsen (5696) Ruth (798)
"Boaz and Ruth"
In the Talmud, some rabbis identify Boaz as the judge Ibzan of Bethlehem.
Many scholars believe that the Bethlehem referred to in the story is the Bethlehem in the territory of the Tribe of Zebulun, rather than the more famous Bethlehem in the Tribe of Judah. However the Talmud (Bava Batra 91a) asserts that Ibzan is to be identified with Boaz from the story of Ruth, who lived in the Bethlehem of Judah, and that he consummated his marriage with Ruth on the last night of his life.

Rachel(674) Jacobi (12040) Jakoba (1893)
Zeus(5731)-Hera(103)

Horus(1924)-Hathor(2340), Athor (161)**{{TY ail221}}

Nefertiti(3199), Nofretete(1068)-Amenhotep(4847),

Akhenaten(326290), Echnaton(4415)

Osiris (1923)-Isis(42)

Ptah(5011)-Sekhemet(5381), Ubasti(4257)

Addition**Seth/Nephthys(287)
Seth/Selquet (136818)
Sethos (5009)
Sette (8885)
(Greek) Set = Seth (os, masculine-singular ending)
http://www.thechristmyth.com/egyptian_deities.htm

4788,560,1196,10054,299,2176,4484,1966,211,
3241,10464,170,2779,318,649,2779,5696,798,674,
12040,1893,5731,103,
1924,2340,161,3199,1068,4847,326290,4415,1923,42,
5011,5381,4257,287,136818,5009,8885


Hindu Gods-
Male-
Siva 1170
Rudra 2629
Mahakala 10819
Shankar 22817
Mahalingam 18104
Hara 4640

Female-
Parvati 2847
Kaali 4227
Tara 5863
Satie 9438 -- for Sati or Parvati

1170, 2629, 10819, 22817, 18104, 4640, 2847, 4227, 5863, 9438

"Incarnations of VISHNU"(thank you Astrokeen)

Male-Vishnu 4034/Krishnan 22533/Gopalan 7754
Vishnu's consort-Aditi 4401
4034, 22533, 7754, 4401

Human incarnation of Vishnu, "Rama"-
Male- Rama(55753) Ramachandran (20851) Ramakrishna (25468)
Wife- Sita (244)
55753,20851,25468,244
Rama's courage in searching for Sita and fighting a terrible war to rescue his wife and their honour is complemented by Sita's absolute devotion to her husband's love, and perfect chastity despite being Ravana's captive."

Additional information-
**Ten avatars of Vishnu (Matsya, Kurma, Varaha, Vamana, Krishna, Kalki, Buddha, Parshurama, Rama and Narasimha).
**Vishnu incarnated on the Earth as the avatars Rama and Krishna, Lakshmi took incarnation as his consort. Sita (Rama's wife), Radha (Krishna's lover), Rukmini and Satyabama are considered forms of Lakshmi.


Soul pairing-
Psyche(16) and Alma(390) both words mean soul but Psyche is more masculine and Alma is the feminine part of the soul, yin/yang.

Twin couple-Nerthus 601/ Njord 4213

Sootiyo is Hopi for Star Boy
Soomana is Hopi for Star Girl
2432 Soomana
2433 Sootiyao

16,390, 601,4213,2432,2433
Gay pairing-
Zeus(5731)-Ganymede(1036)

Additional bonding asteroids...

Abundantia(151)
Adorea (268)
Agapenor (5023)
Alieve (13046)
Ambrosia )193)-"Nectar of the Gods"
Amend (18020)
Amicitia (367)-Latin for friendship
Amor (1221)
Anand (23323)**Hindi word for pleasure or joy; can also denote spiritual bliss. **{{TY Astro Keen}}
Angel (11911)
Angelica (965)
Anteros (1943)-Avenged Love
Armor (774)
Aura (1488)
Bella (695) 'Beautiful'
Bless (92891)
Boda (1487)
Buddy (16155)
Celestia (1252)
Champion (8732)
Close (54902)
Compassion (8990)
Concordia(58)
Conscience (12524)
Destinn (6583)
Devin (3561)
Devota (1328)
Discovery(9770)
Eureka (5261)
Fidelity (524)
Forte (8780)
Fortuna (19)
Goode (11790)
Goodman (4239)
Happalia (578)
Harmonia (40)
Hartman (3341)
House (4950)
Irene (14)
Joya (7899)

151,268,5023,13046,193,18020,367,1221,23323,11911,
965,1943,774,1488,695,92891,1487,16155,1252,8732,
54902,8990,58,12524,6583,3561,1328,9770,5261,524,
8780,19,11790,4239,578,40,3341,4950,14,7899

Karma (3811)
Kama(1387)
Lachesis (120)
Link (3550)
Lova (868)
Lovas (73511)
Loveday (161215)
Lovejoy (61342)
Lovelock (51663)
Lovi (5943)
Lust (4386)
Magnanimity (8992)
Masterman (21561)
Meeus (2213)**ive wondered if it represents, going from alone to a unit....going from 'me' to an "us'(in my chart i have a double whammy venus/meeus with someone...id love to know if aspects like that for others)
Mentor (3451)
Ontake (2330)
Opportunity (39382)
Pan (4450)
Paradise (2791)
Patientia (451)
Pax (679)
Philia (280)-friendship
Plunge(144752)
Prime (7919)
Refugium (6475)
Serendip (6568)
Silly (129234)
Smolders (10983)
Solidarity (8991)
Sparks (15129)
Spirit (37452)
Stout (20430)
Strong (22622)
Sweet (11727)
Sunshine (3742)
Triumph (14959)
Talent (33154)
Tyke (258)
Union (1585)
Unitas (306)
Urgenta (3468)
Utopia (1282)
Valentine (447)
Venusia (499)
Virtus (494)
Wisdom (3402)
Witt (2732)
Whiteknight (17612)
Yes (7707)
Yurlov (7558)
3811,1387,120,3550,868,73511,161215,61342,51663,5943,
4386,8992,21561,2213,3451,2330,39382,4450,2791,451,
679,280,144752,7919,6475,6568,129234,10983,8991,151
29,37452,20430,22622,11727,3742,14959,33154,258,1585,
306,3468,1282,447,499,494,3402,2732,17612,7707,7558

Potential "Guardian" relationship asteroids....to check out(under investigation)
(21615) Guardamano
(8124) Guardi
(774) Armor
(17612) Whiteknight

(3009) Coventry-agreement w/God to protect faithful

(249) Ilse-"Pledged to God"

(586) Thelka-Companion to St. Paul on missionary journeys; "Fame of God"

(3622) Ilinsky-"Power of God"
(59) Elpis
Elpis was the personification of Hope and gets her only important role in the story of Pandora. She is always represented as fully clothed and often carrying flowers.

(6744) Komoda
Komodia
A Goddess of Happiness and Amusement. More like the personification of it.

21615,8124,774,17612,3009,249,586,3622,59,6744


Negative couples-
Adams (1996)-Lilith (1181)
Epimetheus (1810)-Pandora (55)
Hephaistos (2212)-Venus/Aphrodite (1388)
Ixion (28978)-Nephlele (431)
Jason (6063)-Medea (212)
Narcissus (37117)-Echo (60)
Nessus (7066)-Dejanira (157)
Philomela (196)-Thereus (32532)?, Saturn
Thereus (32532)-Ariadne (43)

Alcock (3174) Maybe a guy that only cares about sex!
Alona(15230)
Anga (3158)- anger
Angrilli (18102)-angerly
Apatheia (8273)
Baade (1501)
Casanova (7328)
Deprez (9795)
Devience (21419)
Dick (17458)
Fanatica (1589)
Fanale (3478)- finality
Fink (10891)
Grieve (4451)
Grimm (6912)
Hasse (7478) German for 'Hate'
Hazard (9305)
Hinderer (3404)
Lie (26955)
Maniac (228029)
Medusa (149)
Melancholia (5708)
Mentall (7116)
NOT (28570)
Nemisis (128)
Ohno (5180)
Pecker (1629)
Pest (6817)
Pinocchio (12927)
Poisson (12874)
Prevert (18624)
Prey (6157)
Paine (5188)
Part (4087)
Seda (90377)
Sado (118230)
Split (12512)
Storm (12182)
Swindle (8690)
Swings (1637)
Tore (97186)- to be tore or torn apart?
Villon (10140)

3174,15230,3158,18102,8273,1501,7328,9795,21419,17458,
1589,3478,10891,4451,6912,7478,9305,3404,26955,228029
149,5708,7116,28570,128,5180,1629,6817,12927,12874,
18624,6157,5188,4087,90377,118230,12512,12182,8690,1637,97186,10140

(718) Erida
Erida is Hate. In the Iliad she was sent by Zeus to the Achaians encampment. There she SCREAMS, when the men awoke they had forgotten their wives and children and were filled with Hate. She could only be appeased once blood was spilled. She was a sister and companion of Ares.

**Edit-It would be nice if we could get people to check these to see how they play out in relationships also and give feedback....

h40 Cupido--everyone talks about asteroid Cupido being all about appearance and no substance, but ive read the Uranian Cupido is different, it has depth and focus on true love.

h41 Hades--(Pluto)--h57 Prosperpina--Im wondering if these would potentially be making an aspect to one another...although im not sure the difference between these particular Uranian placements...i havent been able to find anything on them except that a lot of traditional astrologers dont think they should be used...i personally dont think theres enough research done, or i cant find any, to rule them out, saying their not important.

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posted November 26, 2013 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is the link to iQ's soulmate calculator.... http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/200943.html

Thoughtful musings on twin/soul mates and an involved concept calculator for "soul mates," by Taineberry and Ceridwen: Heiros Gamos http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/000972.html

"Twin Flames" http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/210984.html

"Themes associated with each soul mate pairing?" http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/001274.html

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posted November 26, 2013 06:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really helpful. Thanks.

Here's one that could be added to the general list:

Anand 23323

It's the Hindi word for pleasure or joy; can also denote spiritual bliss.

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posted November 26, 2013 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lisalisa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How is persephone conjunct venus natally? And conjunct lilith in synastry?

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posted November 26, 2013 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Astro keen:
Really helpful. Thanks.

Here's one that could be added to the general list:

Anand 23323

It's the Hindi word for pleasure or joy; can also denote spiritual bliss.


Ok, ill add it...thank you!

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posted November 26, 2013 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Horus + Athor (161)
Tara 5863 + the incarnations of siva
Arthur 2597 + Guinevere/Ginevra 613.

Paris & Helena (3317/101)
Simpson(Samson) & Delila (Delilah) (4788/560)
Pygmalion & Galatea (96189/74)
Sheba & Solomin (1196/10054)
Yeshua/Jessie(3241/10464) & Maria/Mary (170/2779)
Iduna & Brage (176/4572)

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posted November 26, 2013 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ail221:
Horus + Athor (161)
Tara 5863 + the incarnations of siva
Arthur 2597 + Guinevere/Ginevra 613.

Paris & Helena (3317/101)
Simpson(Samson) & Delila (Delilah) (4788/560)
Pygmalion & Galatea (96189/74)
Sheba & Solomin (1196/10054)
Yeshua/Jessie(3241/10464) & Maria/Mary (170/2779)
Iduna & Brage (176/4572)


TY, got it added!

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Hi Gabby

Tara is another name for Kaali. I think Ail meant that she could be matched with incarnations of Siva,

So, on the female side we have - Tara, Kaali, Parvati
whilst Siva, Mahakala, Rudra, Shankar, Hara are all names for Lord Shiva

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posted November 26, 2013 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Astro keen:
Hi Gabby

Tara is another name for Kaali. I think Ail meant that she could be matched with incarnations of Siva,

So, on the female side we have - Tara, Kaali, Parvati
whilst Siva, Mahakala, Rudra, Shankar, Hara are all names for Lord Shiva


Ok, thank you...i wasnt sure exactly the male/female side in that group, i was going to have to look it up...but you explained it, i will correct that! Thank You!

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posted November 26, 2013 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
awesome list Gabby!

my asteroid Groom conjuncts his IC!
he says he doesn't ever want to get married, but then he also said he would never get an iphone.

his Queen opposes my asc
his Briede sextiles my Jupiter and Venus

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posted November 26, 2013 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Stawr:
awesome list Gabby!

my asteroid Groom conjuncts his IC!
he says he doesn't ever want to get married, but then he also said he would never get an iphone.

his Queen opposes my asc
his Briede sextiles my Jupiter and Venus


He brings queen to your DC, does he see you as his Queen in your relationship?

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posted November 27, 2013 01:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reverie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More Couples

Ask(4894) Embla(4895) - First man and woman in Norse Mythology
Thora(299)/Donar(2176)-The god Thor Sif(4484)
Uranus Gaea(1184)
Saturn Rhea(577)
Poseidon(4341)Amphitrite(29)
Chiron Chariklo(10199)
Cyllarus(52975) Hylonome(10370)

Negative Couples
Adams(1996)Lilith(1181)
Epimetheus(1810)Pandora(55)
Hephaistos(2212) Venus/Aphrodite(1388)
Ixion(28978)Nephlele(431)
Jason(6063)Medea(212)

Not Sure
Mars Bellona(28)
Tithonus(6998)Aurora(94)/Eos(221)
Don Quixote(3552)Dulcinea(571)

More Bonding Asteroids
Close(54902)
Mentor(3451)
Joya(7899)
Amicitia(367)-Latin for friendship
Philia(280)- frienship
Agapenor(367)
Concordia(58)
Irene(14)
Pax(679)
Goode(11790)
Goodman(4239)
Devota(1328)
Amend(18020)

Possibly Bad
Baade(1501)
Split(12512)
Tore(97186)- to be tore or torn apart?
Mentall(7116)
Melancholia(5708)
Fanale(3478)- finality
Prey(6157)
NOT(28570)
Anga(3158)- anger
Angrilli(18102)-angerly


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posted November 27, 2013 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much Reverie, do you mind if I incorporate yours into the list so they are alphabetized along with the rest and easier for everyone to find?

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posted November 27, 2013 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reverie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah sure, go a head. I don't mind!

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posted November 27, 2013 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reverie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I goofed. This is the correct number for Agapenor(5023).

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That's quite an interesting list Gabby.

I think you have mistaken Thereus (32532) named after the the centaur with Tereus who raped his wife Procne's sister Philomela.

I discovered these asteroids were actually named after people.

Lie was named Sophus Lie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/26955_Lie

Paine was named after Thomas O Paine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5188_Paine

Fink was named after Uwe Fink http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10891_Fink

Masterman was named after Mary Masterman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21561_Masterman

Poisson was named after Simeon Denis Poisson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12874_Poisson

Prevert was named after Jaques Prevert a French Poet.

Villon was named after Francios Villon who ironically was involved in criminal behaviour. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10140_Villon

Meeus is named after Jean Meeus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2213_Meeus

Lovelock is named after James Lovelock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/51663_Lovelock

Innanen is named after Kimmo Innanen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3497_Innanen

Destinn was named after Emmy Destinn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6583_Destinn

I can definitely understand why people use these asteroids the power of association is quite a powerful force.I find it fitting that asteroid Paine conjuncts my Dsc since I do feel that other cause me a lot of pain.

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Re: HINDU GODS

"(Male)--Siva(1170), Vishnu(4034), Brahma(??)-(Brahms(1818) or Branham(4140) or Brauna(1411)
Rudra(2629), Mahakali(10819), Shankar(22817), Hara(4640)
(Female)--Kaali(4227)Tara (5863),Parvati(2847), Krishnan(22533)"

Hi Gabby,
Could I suggest some amendments to the above? I'll explain:

The Universal soul (God) has three aspects: Brahman (creator), Vishnu (preserver), Siva (destroyer).

Each of these has a female principle or consort. So we have the following pairs:
Siva + Parvati
Brahman + Saraswati
Vishnu + Lakshmi

Since there are no asteroids for Saraswati and Lakshmi, we only need to concern ourselves with Siva. Vishnu or Brahman wouldn't consort with another Goddess., e.g, Parvati. You have already included Rama, who is an earthly incarnation of Vishnu. Krishnan is also an Incarnation of Vishnu, but again his other half, Radha, has no asteroid,

So after eliminating the singles, the list could be amended to the following, which makes it a little simpler.

(Male)-- Siva (1170), Rudra (2629), Mahakala (10819), Shankar (22817), Hara (4640)
(Female)-- Kaali (4227), Tara (5863), Parvati (2847)

Hope that's OK.

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posted November 27, 2013 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Panthero!
The thereus asteroid is one that's being investigated, it does seem to be associated with philomela when you look at both their discovery charts and so far the couple people who have prominent philomela's seem to have prominent thereus making an aspect, such as myself! We are wondering if there is a possibility for a dual meaning?
Hopefully others will investigate and let us know because their story in mythology is probably the most violent story in mythology...worse than Nessus/Dejanira, so it's an important one! But as you said, it's also about association and where your subconscious connects these asteroids!
In my chart, Santa....everyone else would associate with Christmas...I didn't grow up celebrating holidays and didn't even really know much about him until I was an adult. Asteroid Santa though is very prominent in my chart, sits right in between my Kaali and Lilith, exact square my Saturn and opposed my philomela..the step dad I had that was so abusive, associated with my philomela pain, his last name was Sant...he was murdered! Kind of interesting his last name sits under a degree between Kaali and Lilith? So yes, I agree with you how subconscious association is very important!
Thank-you for finding the references on those asteroids, I have more I need to add but have company right now so I'll get to it a day or to!

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posted November 27, 2013 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Ok, thank you...i wasnt sure exactly the male/female side in that group, i was going to have to look it up...but you explained it, i will correct that! Thank You!

Yes Tara is a aspect of Kali but she is more so a goddess of compassion. I did a thread on her sometime last year.

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I think Thereus has some similarities to Tereus because if it is badly aspected it may give a person predatory tendencies.Although I do think they are slightly different because Tereus was an evil man. Thereus was a centaur a creature known for being wild and unruly and it is in their nature to hunt.Also I think Thereus would represent how we achieve our goals and putting or plans into action.I think Thereus may cause some harm but it usually isn't done intentionally like tereus would hurt others.I think Tereus would be associated with rape and tyranny and abuse of power.Thereus would probably symbolise completing our objectives,actively pursuing status,power,status or whatever is desired.
I have Thereus conjunct my Moon,Philomela opposite my Moon and Prokne square Pluto.THe problem I would have with giving Thereus a double meaning is because they are two different people and each of them deserves their own asteroid with their own meaning.Also that asteroid already ready has a namesake even though not many people have heard Thereus not many people have heard of Tereus either.Its not like asteroid Lie where everybody automatically associates it with lying.If we give it a double meaning everyone will automatically use it to symbolise Tereus and not Thereus therefore people who have a Prominent Thereus will not have it properly interpreted in their charts because everyone will associate it with Tereus.It wouldn't be be fair to them when it already has a clear definition of what its named after.

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posted November 27, 2013 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Astro keen, that's perfect! Thank you, my goal is accuracy so we can understand the asteroids meaning and how it relates! If you see any place I got it wrong please let me know so I can correct it!


I've read Varuna also aspects here, Ganesa and Soma but I'm not sure how... Do you know about these?

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@Panthera- thank you! I understand what your saying....
In another thread it was pointed out that Tereus was a crater on Saturn, maybe it's better to use Saturn?
Saturn is an exact to the minute square to my Philomela...in my opinion any abuse like philomela went through is going to have a karmic reason, so Saturn would be appropriate in that way also!

My question regarding Thereus and the confusion, I still want to investigate him as related to Philomela.....because there is many asteroids that are used relating to one thing when it's aspecting a certain asteroid but means something completely unrelated by itself or when prominently aspecting a different asteroid. It's for the astrologer to have the discernment to tell what the asteroid means, determined by how it aspects in someone's chart.
Not meaning to be disagreeable, and I completely see where your coming from and how it would create confusion and inaccurate reading to the untrained astrologer....that's why id still like to research more, for accuracy, it's just such a close name, Thereus/Tereus in such an important myth....I'd hate to dismiss it without thoroughly looking into it possibly relating! It would be nice to get the most info and players available for this myth, since it's such a traumatic eventful myth!

I feel philomela very deeply....I had such brutality that it stole my ability to speak of it, speak up for my own needs, or even believe I deserved the air we breath I lost my voice so much I refused to trust or even believe my own perceptions of reality.....it's kind of important to me and if I could help ppl avoid or understand why they were brutalized or children esp, who have the potential to be hurt like that....I want to be able to see and potentially who might be the Tereus person...I just think it's important? I'm trying to find out the birthday of the person who did this to me....I have his death day, but not birthday!
Research, research....I'll keep working on it!!

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posted November 27, 2013 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
I've read Varuna also aspects here, Ganesa and Soma but I'm not sure how... Do you know about these?

Just check Wiki for them. Ganesha's the elephant-headed son of Parvati. Varuna's not listed for any consorts on the boards here that I remember (but I think his mount may have been mentioned somewhere, unless I'm mixing it with Garuda who was Vishnu's mount and who I do know is somewhere). Soma's a nectar from what I recall.

You're also missing Kama out of the Indian generic ones (love, sex, whatever), same as Peitho, and Menelaus out of pairings. He was Helen of Troy's husband before that slight swiping act from Paris that then made her that "of Troy" to begin with. If you have Arthur and Lancelot and Mark and Tristan both for Guinevere and Isolde, Paris and Menelaus represent a third husband-lover type love triangle potential thing. Although I see you're also missing Mark (Marc's probably the closest in asteroids) from the list, too. Not lovers like the more "legendary" pairings for the women in question, but they were all married first.

If you just wanted mythological pairings, there'd be 911 Agamemnon and his wife Klytaemnestra as well as Hecuba and Priam or whatever they were for the king and queen of Troy, and so on and so forth. I wouldn't call the former necessarily the greatest, but then the lot were cursed in any case, and you seemed to be going for some sort of a completist's list.

Wasn't there also something with Perseus and Thetis or something? And was that the one where he couldn't keep her despite everything?

If you're listing Pecker I think you should list Dick as well since I'm pretty sure there was one called that as well. Pan hankered after Syrinx but she rather turned into a reed than dealt with him, but he did make the pan-pipes out of her later then.

I would imagine that having asteroid Fan conjunct something wouldn't hurt either in developing favourable views of someone. You had Solidarity and Compassion, but what about Magnanimity from the same back to back bunch I think those three were?

As in, I think the Trojan war had Agamemnon swiping a lot of people for his slaves or desires, ranging from Kassandra to Chryseis who I think came up earlier this week somewhere around here? Achilles was into Briseis (her cousin?) how I recall it, but if he started his hissyfit of not fighting due to Agamemnon stealing her and someone this week talked about Agsy stealing Chryseis instead, I'd have to check which way around the myths went with them. All I know is I have Briseis opp Chryseis and Agamemnon-Klytaemnestra next to Briseis, and one of the -seis girl's father conjunct all that somewhere as well. Not to mention Apollo, whose priestess one of the two girls was supposed to be (or the father his priest, like I'd remember), and good lord, don't these Iliad figures ever stop? (No.)

Then again, I also think it was alluded that Patroclus was Achilles' lover or something, too? Friend at the very least, but I seem to recall there was potential for a gay relationship mention there as well. Did Achilles also have a thing for whichever Amazon it was, although they only met in battle and he killed her? Penthesileia?

Oh, and Hektor and Andromache, his wife. Troy's side. How about Sokrates and Xanthippa, whatever the spelling for her? Xanthippe? Quarrulous wife, whatever I recall about her reputation.

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posted November 27, 2013 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds good, I will add those! Thank you Keela!

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Oh gods, I saw you didn't list Marc Antony for Kleopatra. Prepare to wade through options that I think may ALL work. ;P

Marc, Marcustacitus (I know it's different, but Marcusaurelius doesn't work and is a better known different person, and those two are the only actual Marcus-names on the list), Antonia, Antonini.

There needs to be a separate post about all the different Marcuses and people checking which check the most consistently, but if Thora is for Thor and many other female versions of names were used in the early days of asteroid naming, Antonia would pass for Antony fine.

That is, I just 1-2 nights ago discovered a major cross-pattern between all those in one synastry case, so want to believe that all may apply. Need more corroboration, of course, but for tentative options of the one she blazed the world with, Marc Antony should be there.

He was also married to Fulvia (third wife, politically savvy fantastic woman of her own) before running off with Kleopsy there, so if people want more married couples running off with bigger flames, Fulvia & co. are there as well. Huge pattern, trust me. I think he had a fourth wife when he was actually with Kleopatra, #4 taking care of his children later, something like that, but I forget her name or how all that went. Not a love figure like Kleopatra in any case.

71445 Marc
12580 Antonini, 272 Antonia
609 Fulvia

1387 Kama

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