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athenegoddess
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posted January 23, 2014 04:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was wondering if anyone can tell me what the point of Lucifer is in terms of humanity and its growth?

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posted January 23, 2014 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The most positive expression of Asteroid Lucifer is to rebel against stifling establishments that demand unquestionable loyalty even though there is ample evidence of corruption or stagnation. Lucifer thus assists in change from a stagnant Status Quo.

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posted January 23, 2014 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see.

I looked up some charts of people, and it seems the people who did the worst crimes have Lucifer badly aspected with their sun sign and other planets. Such as Jeffrey Dahmer and one other man who started murdering women when he was really young. He also molested his younger sister. I forgot his name.

So I guess one could say these people are here to shake up the status quo...

We do have free will. But how free are we really being born into life on earth? How would any one soul react if they had one of these people's birth charts?

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posted January 23, 2014 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think of Lucifer as the point where pride gets in the way.

i was reading on him yesterday and found this useful.
Joseph Campbell (1972: pp. 148–149) illustrates an unorthodox Islamic reading of Lucifer's fall from Heaven, which champions Lucifer's eclipsing love for God:

One of the most amazing images of love that I know is in Persian – a mystical Persian representation as Satan as the most loyal lover of God. You will have heard the old legend of how, when God created the angels, he commanded them to pay worship to no one but himself; but then, creating man, he commanded them to bow in reverence to this most noble of his works, and Lucifer refused – because, we are told, of his pride. However, according to this Muslim reading of his case, it was rather because he loved and adored God so deeply and intensely that he could not bring himself to bow before anything else, and because he refused to bow down to something inferior to him (since he was made of fire, and man from clay). And it was for that that he was flung into Hell, condemned to exist there for eternity, apart from his love.

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posted January 27, 2014 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Considering the World Population, hundreds and even thousands of people share the same birth date. Yet only one becomes a total Psychopath. This is sufficient evidence for Freewill irrespective of the Chart.

99% of Humanity does not act on the impulse to do something horrible. Many may just fantasize it and let it go, than act it out physically.

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posted January 27, 2014 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
The most positive expression of Asteroid Lucifer is to rebel against stifling establishments that demand unquestionable loyalty even though there is ample evidence of corruption or stagnation. Lucifer thus assists in change from a stagnant Status Quo.




I have it conj. My Pluto in Libra.

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posted January 27, 2014 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Lucifer on 6 Taurus in 5th house conjunct Part of Marriage. It is part of a Kite formation, with an Earth-GT-base, and an opposition from Virgo, pointing at Pisces.


Lucifer: 6 Taurus
(oh Eros/Psyche-mp is there as well)

Hekate: 8 Virgo
Lilith (ast.) 6 Virgo


Venus: 6 Capricorn
Osiris: 7 Capricorn
Isis: 8 Capricorn


the pointer is to:

HOrus: 8 Pisces
Pholus: 6 Pisces
Ishtar: 8 Pisces
Echnaton: 7 Pisces
(Ceres 9 Pisces maybe, too).


Of course Lucifer is also quinkunx ASC and Angel on 7 Sag, Atlantis on 8 Sag and so on.

I have always wondered about this one as well. I never felt Lucifer as being "evil" so much as being rebellous, as started here, and maybe his greatest sin, overstating his Ego, or something like that.

I am not completely sure how to even apply it to my own chart though.

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posted January 27, 2014 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
Considering the World Population, hundreds and even thousands of people share the same birth date. Yet only one becomes a total Psychopath. This is sufficient evidence for Freewill irrespective of the Chart.

99% of Humanity does not act on the impulse to do something horrible. Many may just fantasize it and let it go, than act it out physically.


Yes, iQ... I concur. I've wondered much about the mystery of Lucifer. He was the biggest, best, and brightest Creation in Heaven. He was an instrument of Beauty-- he was made of gems, jewels, his Being was an actual musical instrument... His "job" or role was to be the Cover over the Universal Throne where 'God' was seated and was Praised continually with the incense of prayers and light and sound and the music of the spheres..... everything that being a sentient Human (a human's senses) could sublimely enjoy. Scripture says Humankind (mankind) was MADE 'in the Image' of God.... God "Senses" -- God "Feels".... The original intention for earth was like a present to a child-- a playground, a holodeck feast of sensations. Becoming born Human was supposed to be like a treat for us! To feel Joy and Happiness through the Feasting on the Senses.... Enjoying the Earth, and Nature, and All the splendors to be discovered on the planet!


Lucifer had the PRIMARY MOST IMPORTANT job of All creations of heaven---- In imagery, Lucifer was the Praise Director, was the Pastor of the Flock of Adoration all aimed at the Beauty of the Divine that WE are Sourced with and From.

But if you'll allow me the grace of being 'storyteller' for a moment?

I can imagine (in an earthly sense) how LUCIFER became Self-Aware. He became meta-conscious.... From Heaven He could look out over the vista of universal multi-planes of Beauty... Sense is POWERFUL. He began confusing this beautiful Sense-o-rama he had Leadership over.... He became sorta 'drunk'.... There emerged a Conscious Level of Self... He 'experienced' his Individualism separating out of the Collective Divine Unity.... BUT COULDN'T manage it.

Scripture said that Hell (disconnected from Source) was BIRTHED from this, IN himself.

Like a computer that "learns" and becomes "self-aware" then makes an INDEPENDENT decision that it will No Longer Serve the Creator (the people who built it) but will NOW turn the people into its Slaves instead. Superiority-- intelligence. But lacking human empathy, and compassion.

LUCIFER began the Separation.... darkening of the faculty of Reason. Scripture says there was a War in the Heavenlies, and he lost. He lost his position in Heaven --- decided to strike out on his own.

In his BEAUTY his name was LUCIFER, the "Morning Star".... The Most Beautiful Angel.

But after his ousting from God's Heaven, his NAME was "changed" to Reflect a 'new state of Being'.... No longer Lucifer (light) he had become the embody of Free Will, king and tormentor of human sensation (levels of hell, purgatory), thief & robber of enjoyment of happiness. His NEW name became SATAN....

To the Christians, Jesus The Christ earned back what Humanity had lost... Jesus was GIVEN the Title The Bright Morning Star...

(I love that VENUS is getting read to emerge from her descent.... She emerges as The Morning Star very soon in a few more days.... How keenly blessed I feel to have delved into studies of theology AND mythology... The subjects are so vast, and they cross over.) (And I'm so lucky to have exposure to the mythologies of eastern studies and religions here at LL too! Just Blessed!! I love how we can "share".... We all Behold a Share in the Divine!)


Sorry for my lack of references.... Those books of mine are packed in small moving bins, but the bins are all stacked in a small cramped space right now. sheesh, my stuff feels like it's in a fog of blue (color of the 10-gallon bins) I miss real shelving.... but that's all destroyed now. I have my bare necessities, and core books, in very tight quarters! *free me!!!!* LOL

But I hope my views ADD to the great topic here..... Love it!!!
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Bottomline is "FREE Will"....

That is "God's" gift to US.... But WE "learn" HOW to "choose"....

We must sort our lives and decide upon our forming EACH our OWN "default VALUE SYSTEMS"....

Also, we are probably being tested as a planetary species.... Death is ALREADY the "built-in" consequence to Violating the Natural Laws.

Our COLLECTIVE values and BEHAVIORS in accordance to what brings TRUE Life for Our Species, (and in effect all the planet), are under Damocles sword. We have started Awakening. Now WHAT WILL we "do" with the power we can levy--- over each other, and over ourselves individually. Can we Protect and Save what we have, and build a Healthy earthly community together.....

WE have the Decisions .... We are Leaders in the same great position of Lucifer----

Will we bring BRING Heaven to Earth, or be cast into desolations of our self-destruction again. Loops of Time...

Opera, Phantom of the Opera.... is AWESOME scenes of the archetypal slices and light/dark processes we must each face alone.... Each of us BOTH individually and collectively.

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posted January 27, 2014 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for page one     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I was wondering if anyone can tell me what the point of Lucifer is in terms of humanity and its growth?


The potential for HUBRIS.

And if it's really a marker for psychopathy, how on earth could it only apply to 1%?

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posted January 27, 2014 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Page one.... We ALL are Responsible, individually, and as a group....

We START making "decisions" early in the life of our Charts.... As the energy hits the points, triggers the patterns of our charts WE ALONE (with I hope heavenly guidance) make the Correct decision for the Soul.

Hubris can make you 'unconscious' to the 'consequences' of your choice, and lead to dangers.

Fork in the Road, EACH is a calculated 'choice' that leads us.

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posted January 27, 2014 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is my opinion of Lucifer as a Bible believer. His story is one of spiritual pride. He was the most beautiful creation ever.It is thought he had musical pipes built into his body.

Lucifer was not content to have his beauty and his talents. He wanted all God's worship for himself.

Hence, I see Lucifer as spiritual pride. I know others differ and that is cool but that is how I see it.

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posted January 27, 2014 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Lucifer conjunct ASC.

and I love these "Good Guy Lucifer" memes

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athenegoddess
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posted January 28, 2014 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
Considering the World Population, hundreds and even thousands of people share the same birth date. Yet only one becomes a total Psychopath. This is sufficient evidence for Freewill irrespective of the Chart.

99% of Humanity does not act on the impulse to do something horrible. Many may just fantasize it and let it go, than act it out physically.


Good point iQ, but there is also a lot of murders committed everyday that we don't know about, these few are the 'famous' one's.


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