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Ami Anne
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posted April 16, 2014 06:55 AM
  
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Wow sorry this got so heated!
I just wanted to know some thoughts on these crazy "bad" asteroids!!
Thank u for your info all :-)
I'm still a bit confused about what they might mean when they conjunct something "good" but maybe it just needs to play out!!
I hear your question. If a bad asteroid conjuncts something good, one must figure it out. Usually, the bad asteroid will play out over the good one. For example, if Jupiter conjuncts a bad asteroid, it GREATLY worsens it. If a bad asteroid such as Nessus conj Venus, the person may be abusive when in love, so Venus a good planet gets trumped by a bad asteroid. I hope this shed some light on it and this is a great thread. Keep them coming  ------------------
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Moon is Lunatic
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posted April 16, 2014 07:04 AM
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Out of those, I have:Sun conjunct Pest & Ohno
Moon conjunct Deprez
Prevert & Dick conjunct Asc
Saturn conjunct Sedna & Prey (Sedna and Prey are also conjunct.)
Tore & Hasse conjunct IC
Mars conjunct Part
Jupiter conjunct Grimm
Mercury conjunct Hinderer
Baade conjunct Dejanira All are within 2-3 degrees
Does anyone have an idea what these do mean?
I already know what few of these mean (like Moon-Deprez) but most of these asteroids are new for me.
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Gabby
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posted April 16, 2014 07:13 AM
To add to Ami's answer, Nessus conjunct Venus could be someone who attracts abusive lovers also....
Or someone with Nessus conjunct Mars doesn't have to mean or have a violent tempered, it could mean sexually they have a dark streak n might like rough sex or even playing a rape victim role. Perhaps it shows someone who was sexually abused...if they have worked through it they could be someone who helps others overcome and heal from traumatic events/abuse.I have Lie, Swindle, Sirene, Loke and Messalina conjunct my Venus....if I saw a guy with this you can bet I would run!!
But I know myself....and I know what has happened in my life, plus some of these are retrograde so they acted out on me instead of by me....I watch very closely anyone who has planets conjunct my Venus, so far they trick me by lying to me, use me for whatever they want and I end up hurt and feel I've been taken on a ride. I myself am not a liar, which is why it hurts even more when I get lied to. Anyone who conjuncts my Venus will wakes up that other energy negative energy to and acts it out, since it's retrograde it's going to be them giving it to me. Funny thing is though...for all my high moral standards when I love someone I could see myself lying, cheating, stealing or using feminine wiles to get what I needed to take care of my family n children, so the energy is available in my love nature but it's not to be acted on in a negative way....maybe that's because my asteroid Angelica/DNA/Sekhemet is an exact sextile to Venus or that Angel is exact square and puts stress on my Venus to act in only loving ways?? I dont know?? But that's why you need to look at the aspects to see how they will play out.
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Gabby
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posted April 16, 2014 07:17 AM
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[b]Out of those, I have:Sun conjunct Pest & Ohno
Moon conjunct Deprez
Prevert & Dick conjunct Asc
Saturn conjunct Sedna & Prey (Sedna and Prey are also conjunct.)
Tore & Hasse conjunct IC
Mars conjunct Part
Jupiter conjunct Grimm
Mercury conjunct Hinderer
Baade conjunct Dejanira
All are within 2-3 degrees Does anyone have an idea what these do mean?
I already know what few of these mean (like Moon-Deprez) but most of these asteroids are new for me.
All of these will play out in a negative way initially....it's you that choses to change the behaviors into awareness and healing, or if you grow to have the ability to identify these qualities in others. I would think Pest and Ohno conjunct Sun could mean a part of you feels good when your messing with other ppl, maybe a bit of a prankster...sometimes it can be taken to far. Or it could be that attract these kind of ppl or it could be you are able to spot them coming and for your own self esteem you avoid them . Same with Prevert n Dick on AC....either you act it out, attract it or you can spot ppl with these tendencies by their appearance and mannerisms. Saturn conjunct Sedna/Prey makes me think potentially you tend to fall more in the category of being victim to the above mentioned ppl and your struggle in life is one of learning how to spot these bad guys before they get to you and hurt you. You will always be honing in and trying to understand the pain of being a victim and feeling others are seeking you out to hurt and how to stop them before they can. Tore and Hasse on IC would point to feeling torn or broken due to hate or along with hate or potentially you felt hatred directed at you and you became full of hate because of it. Either you hate what's been done to you or you hate the ppl for what they did, somehow this hate has become a core part of who you are.
This is something that you will need to go deep inside yourself and find peace with in order to heal. I know forgiveness is hard but hatred is much harder on you and your life. If you chose to forgive do it because it's what YOU want and it makes YOU happy, because it's what's good for YOU. Do it because your tired of carrying their heavy load of emotional crap around with you everywhere you go...do it because you never should have been given that load to carry to begin with, you want to put it down! The only way to do it is to forgive...so do it for YOU, not them! But you still must actually, genuinely, whole heartedly forgive in order to heal yourself. Mars conjunct Part...anger that hurt so much it caused a rift that spilt you in two, or made you become or act out in ways that was not in line with your core self n who you want to be. Anger that caused you to have to leave someone or some place. Anger that broke you. Anger that left you so hurt that now you have the tendency to leave emotionally, just check out or physically leave and abandone the situation or person whenever you feel anger directed at you or someone makes you angry enough. Jupiter conjunct Grimm, Jupiter expands what it touches...it touches grimm, doesn't sound good here.
This goes well with the theme of the rest of these asteroids though.
You know what I would do with this energy....the energy is there and will act out on us no matter what so why don't we take the energy and direct it for ourselves. Maybe you have a lot of pent up frustration/anger/hurt that you try to push to the side and ignore but yet you can't shake the hurt and it gives you an overall sense of life is grim, sad...and always will be. No happy ending, no light at the end if the tunnel.
Why not take this energy and write about it? Write a character full of all the emotions you feel and this character does all the things you wish you could do to take back your power and name your character Grimm(or some version of that to satisfy the charts energy)
Write this character into a book/comic/video game/animae or something like that.
If Jupiter expands and gives blessings to what it touches you could use this as a healing tool to get out all that's bottled up inside by your characters adventures...they could do or be all you need to do or be in order to get it out and find some peace.
With Jupiter blessing and expanding Grimm...it might become something thats really lucrative to you at the same time it heals you. Mercury conjunct Hinderer....communication is hindered or the way you communicate is hindering you.
Do you find when you try to talk n get your needs met ppl don't understand or become frustrated with you?
That's another frustration you could put into your character....make that be part of Grimms character , maybe they have this strange illness whenever they get emotional they starts speaking in some strange language nobody understands and they get angry n think he's being a jerk....grimm never feels undrstood or feels anyone cares. Bad conjunct Dejanira, when you feel vulnerable or exposed do you start doing things to protect yourself that are by society's standards considered "bad" and get you in trouble?
Or do you hurt ppl when they expose something in you, maybe you don't believe you deserved to be loved...so when someone shows you love you tend to treat them
bad, shut them out or patronize them.
What your actually doing is trying to stop them from doing something your not comfortable with because you were not taught you could be loved. We tend to go into a defense stance and think ppl are stupid n treat them bad who love us and treat us good if we don't believe we are loveable and worthy of respect. One because they ale us feel uncomfortable the other because they think we are awesome and we think we are worthless so there is not a meeting of the minds, somewhere inside we totally disagree with their opinion and can't respect their judgement. Strange how that works but it's basic emotional psychology...we like ppl who see the world the way we do...that's why abusers n victims always find each other and it's why victims are not attracted to ppl who are kind to them. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 16, 2014 07:23 AM
Great posts, Gabby, as always. It is true that one can transmute the "bad asteroids" to good.------------------
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posted April 16, 2014 08:20 AM
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Great posts, Gabby, as always. It is true that one can transmute the "bad asteroids" to good.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 16, 2014 08:30 AM
I think if a person has Nessus conj the NN, he will need to play out Nessus which is abuse. However, with God's help, he can transmute this into helping victims of abuse. However, I do think it will be played out first.------------------
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posted April 16, 2014 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think if a person has Nessus conj the NN, he will need to play out Nessus which is abuse. However, with God's help, he can transmute this into helping victims of abuse. However, I do think it will be played out first.
I agree...I don't think it's escapable! The pattern will play out in a negative way initially and it's up to us to see it's destructive pattern and learn from it or to ignore the lesson and allow it to continue or even promote it's negativity in our lives. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 16, 2014 09:15 AM
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Moon is Lunatic
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posted April 16, 2014 09:24 AM
 Here is the first chart  Second chart Thanks for very informative post, Gabby! IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted April 16, 2014 01:06 PM
Of course the 7th house placements will play out in relationships.
3rd house will have a lot to do with things that happened before you were at an age you could defend yourself or think for yourself, during the time we are still forming our emotional and psychological foundation. This would be before the age of 12....this foundation is what affects all our decisions as an adult.
The 3rd house and our core foundation affects the way we communicate in your life...these asteroids being their could possibly have created an introvert unwilling to communicate or it has created a person who overreacts and can be to harsh in the way they communicate.
I think communication or learning to communicate in a positive way is going to be key for you.
The Mars/Part in 8th opposed Prey/Dejanira in 2nd is something that affects your ability to feel secure about what you have that's of value, it makes you feel worthless potentially??
Being that these are in the 8th and 2nd house it's hard for you to accept this is an issue at least at first, it's something that you burry n prefer to keep it there even though it undermines your core self confidence.
The mars/part in 8th makes me want to ask if you ever felt like a part of you died or seperated from who you believed you were and you went through a period of time you felt like you didn't really recognize who you were or who you were becoming....n you didn't like yourself?
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Moon is Lunatic
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posted April 16, 2014 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Of course the 7th house placements will play out in relationships.
3rd house will have a lot to do with things that happened before you were at an age you could defend yourself or think for yourself, during the time we are still forming our emotional and psychological foundation. This would be before the age of 12....this foundation is what affects all our decisions as an adult.
The 3rd house and our core foundation affects the way we communicate in your life...these asteroids being their could possibly have created an introvert unwilling to communicate or it has created a person who overreacts and can be to harsh in the way they communicate.
I think communication or learning to communicate in a positive way is going to be key for you.
The Mars/Part in 8th opposed Prey/Dejanira in 2nd is something that affects your ability to feel secure about what you have that's of value, it makes you feel worthless potentially??
Being that these are in the 8th and 2nd house it's hard for you to accept this is an issue at least at first, it's something that you burry n prefer to keep it there even though it undermines your core self confidence.
The mars/part in 8th makes me want to ask if you ever felt like a part of you died or seperated from who you believed you were and you went through a period of time you felt like you didn't really recognize who you were or who you were becoming....n you didn't like yourself?
This is just my opinion in an interp....am I even close? Lol
I've always been bad at communicating... I absolutely hate small talk! But if I'm isolated from people too long I'll end up depressed. And yes I've often felt worthless. I have tendency to bury most of my problems, I know it's not good but I don't want anyone to worry about me.
That Mars/Part thing sounds so accurate, too.
I don't like my Capricorn Asc. I look/act so cold and serious, even though that isn't really the way I am. I can't really act like myself when meeting new people. They think often that I'm a cold a*shole. (Maybe that's how asteroid Dick works for me lol.) It's so annoying. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted April 16, 2014 04:17 PM
I really believe if you were to write a story of all the confusion and frustration you deal with inside...all the things that make you feel emotionally isolated from others, that block the warmth of feeling someone else and truly connecting without fear...write about all the doubts, all the anxiety, all the hurt that comes from inside...but write it in 3rd person, make a character who is you and communicate all you feel into this character, let them get as dark as they want any darkness you feel....dig so deep and pull it out and express it through this character and keep writing his stories all he feels...n how it affects them. If he has dark morbid fantasies, write them out, write them until they are out of you and you don't feel them anymore or need to hold them back anymore because they aren't there.
Keep writing for weeks, months, years....everything you hold back n push down, let it out and communicate it. What this will do is eventually you will get to the bottom of the pain, anger n hurt...the darkness will slowly melt away and you will see a new way to see things once you walk through the darkness and realize it's not a wall preventing you from connecting to others it's just a dark place you have to pass through before you get to a better place.
If you choose to do this...you will feel your going deeper into the darkness, you will feel darker and angrier for a period of time...that's ok, just keep going! Don't stop!!
What happens is right now your on the other side of the darkness looking in, trying to avoid it, trying not to get sucked in because you don't know if you can make it back out. It looks like there is no escape but there is, once you walk through the darkest of it n face yourself there, face your greatest fear the blackness inside you...from there it all goes uphill! What's awesome is you think your so much worse than you really are, once you see yourself as your worst possible self you will start to see a lot of that blackness isn't you, it's the fear and anger that's been projected on you, it's not who you, it's who they were. That's when forgiveness becomes an option, you see they were just acting out their fears to, you see that blackness in you wasn't truly who you were, you were acting out the fear n you. You can feel empathy and understanding for both you and them. True healing follows!
All those negative asteroids become gifts of insight into how fear creates patterns that destroy us from the inside out and you can identify these patterns to help others heal from their pain and fears.
It all starts with stepping into the darkness to investigate it and see it for real no matter how bad you think you will be deep inside, no matter how angry, ugly, dirty, worthless, unlovable you think you are deep inside.....you must allow yourself to see it.
I myself realized my core fear was...I wondered if I was so bad that I actually deserved all the abuse I got, I wondered if I let myself see my deepest dark parts I would realize I was being beaten because I was truly a horrible person that deserved to be hurt n in pain constantly.
Of course I found out I wasn't...and you would find that out to! I'm sorry I got so deep...just felt like you needed to know it's ok, it's going to be ok! What you feel about yourself is a misperception and you will be able to correct it. I might edit this...it's kind of a lot to put out there! Lol
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IntuitiveJ
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posted April 16, 2014 10:33 PM
Thank you all so much!!!
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Moon is Lunatic
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posted April 17, 2014 06:13 AM
Thank you Gabby.I'm actually writing a story right now who has a character that I can relate to, and she deals with same problems as me. I love writing stories and I think that I have good imagination. Do you know asteroid Talent? (33154) mine is conj. Asc. What kind of talent could that aspect show? IP: Logged |
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posted April 17, 2014 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by Moon is Lunatic:
Thank you Gabby.I'm actually writing a story right now who has a character that I can relate to, and she deals with same problems as me. I love writing stories and I think that I have good imagination. Do you know asteroid Talent? (33154) mine is conj. Asc. What kind of talent could that aspect show?
What sign is your AC?
I would think a talent dealing with the way you appear could be much like writing about a character based off you, just like your doing!! That's so cool! IP: Logged |
Moon is Lunatic
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posted April 17, 2014 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Moon is Lunatic:
[b]Thank you Gabby.I'm actually writing a story right now who has a character that I can relate to, and she deals with same problems as me. I love writing stories and I think that I have good imagination. Do you know asteroid Talent? (33154) mine is conj. Asc. What kind of talent could that aspect show?
What sign is your AC?
I would think a talent dealing with the way you appear could be much like writing about a character based off you, just like your doing!! That's so cool! [/B][/QUOTE]I'm Capricorn AC. I see, that's nice. IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted April 17, 2014 11:04 AM
Talent and Prevert conj Asc would indicate writing talent to me...perhaps of a surrealistic flavour?IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted April 17, 2014 01:01 PM
When you write out the character you base off your own feelings, please try to make sure you detached from those feelings as soon as you've written it out and walked away.
The purpose is to get the feelings and thoughts out of you so you and see them in reality. It's about learning how to separate "you" from what pain has put in you. You don't want to stir them up and walk away feeling them alive and active you....that would defeat your purpose.
You want to purge the ugly stuff so that eventually your not carrying it around with you n feeling like it's a part of the real you. Eventually your going to get to a place you can close the book on those old ugly feelings and start a new life free of them. IP: Logged |
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posted April 17, 2014 01:07 PM
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Talent and Prevert conj Asc would indicate writing talent to me...perhaps of a surrealistic flavour?
Talent/Prevert in cap?? Lol... Maybe writing intelligent, mind bending psychological thriller/horrors.... IP: Logged |
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posted April 18, 2014 12:33 AM
What do you mean by bad? As in negative, or dark like Pluto?IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 18, 2014 07:38 AM
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What do you mean by bad? As in negative, or dark like Pluto?
Yes--dark and negative but I don't call Pluto that lol
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posted April 18, 2014 08:44 AM
Some people freak out by the word bad but there are bad things in life such as murders, uncontrolled passions, all sorts of things and Astrology mirrors life. Some asteroids show abuse(Nessus), betrayal(Sedna) etc etc. I call these the bad ones. I like to say things straight out. Some people don't but I do lol------------------
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Moon is Lunatic
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posted April 18, 2014 08:57 AM
I would like to thank a lot Gabby for looking at my chart and giving some advice! IP: Logged |
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posted April 18, 2014 01:17 PM
Bad is an opinion. Would the murder of Hitler be BAD? Passions come in all flavours. Disbelief in Jesus is called BAD by some. A white lie is not necessarily bad either. And maybe Jacques Prevert was a pervert, maybe a saint...what is cwrtain. He was a writer, which some people also consider BAD.IP: Logged |
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