posted May 13, 2014 12:01 AM            

Everything listed ties to either the Nodes or Sun or both. 4-5 themes to those alone, what are you to make of that? Karmic stuff and echoes of the past only or what?

A's planets/asteroids/angles are first on the line.

SN conj Sun (26 Tau, Algol-ish)
Sun 2 square Sun
Sun 1 conj drac Sun
Sun 1,5 trine NN

Venus 1 conj Karma
Karma 1 trine Venus

B's time isn't precise but it's possible there's MC conj Moon and both draconic Moons being closely conjunct, not just Sun conj drac Sun. All very SN in its way.

First impression is SN not paying much attention and hints of even something like dislike, until bam or swift turn around to perhaps slightly fancying Sun? This is with Mercury square Mercury so communicating = eventually nightmarish in any case, but on a theoretical interpretative level, the rest?

1.

Both have Sun trine Ariadne so Ariadnes square.

Ariadne-Lust conj NN (at GC)
SN 1 trine Ariadne

Dionysus opp drac Ariadne

Ariadne 2 opp Mars
Ariadne 2 trine Venus
Venus 2 opp Bacchus
Mars 1 sext Dionysus
Dionysus 2 sext Venus

2.

NN-Fulvia opposite Sun (mirrored with)
Sun 1 conj Marc
A's drac Marc ~3 conj B's NN (1 opp Mars)

Fulvia was Marc Antony's politically savvy wife before Kleopatra happened.

Antonini antiscion "conjunct" Fulvia

Antonia sext Sun
Sun sext Kleopatra
Antiscion Moon conj B's Kleopatra
(Kleopatra 2 antiscion "opposite" Sun)
Uranus 1 conj Kleopatra
Drac Antonini opp Uranus

Additionally there's Calpurnia opp Caesar and both respectively having
Juno opp Kleopatra/Juno 2 opp Caesar
in their own charts.

3.
http://www.theoi.com/Georgikos/Pan.html talks of Pan's love interests, listing Echo, Syrinx and Selene. Syrinx-pipes get "how she turned into a plant with reedy growth substituted for her own, when she had fled from Pan's love, and how she still sings Pan's desire!" for one reference.
In some myths Echo and Pan have two children.

Pan is potentially used metaphorically to stand for Endymion since:
"Pan's greatest conquest was that of the moon goddess Selene. He accomplished this by wrapping himself in a sheepskin to hide his hairy black goat form, and drew her down from the sky into the forest where he seduced her."

B is Pan-Sun. A's ASC is antiscia Pan, Syrinx 2 conj ASC. Pans are 4 degrees apart.

A's Syrinx 1 antiscion Pan-Sun
Drac Pan trine Pan-Sun
Pan 1 trine drac Syrinx
Antivertex conj Syrinx

Pan 1 trine Selene
Selene-Juno 2 antiscion Pan-Sun
Endymions 2 conjunct
Drac Endymion sext Selene
Jupiter conj drac Selene (see A's Selene-Juno?)

Drac Echo 1 conj drac Pan-Sun
Pan square drac Echo

4.

Sorry if this is a bit complicated to explain.

B has NN conjunct Iduna, Odin, Zeus.
A has Sun conj Iduna-Io 1-2 trine the above.

B - Odin conj Iduna
A - Brage opp Vanadis

B's Sun antiscia his Brage
-> Iduna-Sun meets Brage-Sun

A's drac Brage 2 conj own NN
-> dracBrage-NN w/ Iduna-NN

Drac Iduna-Sun 1 conj B's Antiscia Iduna-NN (trine otherwise)
Antiscia NN 1 opp B's Brage

Drac Frigga opp Odin-NN
Drac Vanadis 1 conj Sun
(Basically, Frigga to B's SN, Vanadis to A's SN)

Odin 1,5 trine Frigga
Odin 2 square Freia
Frigga trine antiscia of Wodan

B also has Wodan conj Bacchus to as if vibe with A's Ariadne conj B's Odin-NN? A's Wodan 2 trine B's Ariadne.

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If you want the Greek side, there is A as an Io-Sun with a Leto-ASC, Leda-NN-Mnemosyne. B had Zeus-NN to "call" to all the lovers thereof.

Sun 1 conj Semele
Themis 1 trine Sun
Zeus 2 trine Sun
Juno trine drac Zeus

The drac Leda-NN-Mnemosyne end up conjunct drac NN-Zeus, of course.

posted May 13, 2014 12:44 AM            

Mystic Medusa wrote this in March:
"Pan is the Wild God – number 4450 – irreverent and full of Pagan vitality, a lover of nature, storms, horses, music and sensuality.

Currently at 12 Taurus. Pan is a.k.a. the Horned God and that is from whence the word “horny” comes from. I mean, what’s not to like?"

http://mysticmedusa.com/2011/08/asteroid-pandemonium/

K. Falconer quoted with: "…Asteroid 4450 Pan brings something very earthy, very natural to any planet or point he touches. He’s no “Victorian” when it comes to sensations and sensual pleasure. Pan brings a link with the instinctual nature and couples it with a kind of wily pleasure. On the Ascendant, Pan gives the body robust strength, added libido and sharp instinct. He is raw and vital and knows nature’s ways. He is a seducer of the innocent, and the knowledgeable as well. He is one hell of a romp, metaphorical or otherwise. He is natural and fertile—a nature spirit, instinctual, rustic, sexual, potent. He is not shy. He is not a child. Pan loves music and dance, reverie, sex and celebration. When conjunct a personal planet, these traits and talents may come to the foreground…" again.

Also says "Mythologically, he was said to be a genius at sex as well as being the God of all wild creatures." Nothing wrong with Pan-Suns on people's South Nodes, I imagine. Trouble is it's met with the SN-person's Lust conjunct Pan-Sun's NN, too, potentially leading down all sorts of dodgy paths.

http://www.roxanamuise.com/Astmonth.htm Something else on Pan.

EDIT:

So not only is there the composite Hera conjunct Sun, comp Syrinx is there as well. A Pan-Sun with Zeus-NN and both their ladies end up with the composite Sun? Something going on, but I don't know what. In patterns a big kite (Uranus-Pluto, Neptune, Moon-Chiron, Sun) and T-square (Mars at apex square Moon-Chiron opp Uranus-Pluto) in the composite in any case so theoretically interesting whatever the case. If you bring the NN in there as well, the T-square almost turns into a Grand Cross inside the Kite.

posted May 13, 2014 02:25 AM            

They say people get tired of SN contacts eventually, but then you get those who talk about how they last longer or are homier and more comfortable. A has Karma square Nodes so I doubt it's anything about staying in SN regions and it is that SN the Sun is conjunct here. All the more when B has Pluto-Cupido-Abbe-Spirit 2,5-1 degrees conjunct A's Karma through being a Sun square Pluto sort. Nodes 2 degrees square Pluto in synastry still seems like slightly heavy ammo. Same NN is 1 conjunct B's draconic Pluto so... very plutonic as well as the rest?

Both have Jupiter 1-2 trine the other's NN so there's a lot going on with the Nodes.

B has Mars 2 from their own SN but their Nodal axis isn't as heavily weighed with harder synastry aspects.

How do you like or see SN conjunct Sun things? It's Sun trine NN and NN opposite Sun another way put, but still. Nodes, please?

posted May 14, 2014 03:50 AM            

that's flattering to hear. Not entirely true given the local astro-experts around, but there's some merit to what you suggest as well. I know ABOUT more asteroids than a lot of people through having read the boards and poking around. I know relatively much about mythologies as well to know the starting points or gists of what a lot of asteroids relate to by name. I also come with asteroid Wikipedia conjunct MC, so "looking stuff up is your friend".

What I don't know or have down is giving everything cohesion. I know what the asteroids are and can obviously find them and see how their relations or aspects go in the chart. I know that there's SOMETHING there because I have eyes and can see the patterns. What I don't have is what the patterns ultimately mean beyond their suggesting interactions, possibly of certain sorts based on which asteroids or which themes are involved.

I know people like brief simple things. I was rarely good at brief if there was a web of things to try to take in instead. I'm not asking for full interpretations or long pitching in, it's more having the "full" picture there in case someone needs more information to say something in the first place. A lot of it is also for me to remember things later, if it's all in one place.

So good gods on at least the everyone part of "know more than most (everyone?)". O.O I have fantastic PR people. Good work. Next stop, taking over the world without anybody noticing. No, wait, been there done that was it? Well, if you think I know more than most, I can probably sell the other thing as well. ;P

I have certain types of facts and information and can look at charts since I know who comes from which mythology and so on. It's basically the same as when IQ said something about good research to my EMP post - and I considered it quoting basic mythology, science and asteroid information. There's little of actual astrological interpretation in THAT part, it's just the starting point to me. If it comes off as knowing a lot, nice, but it's not full on astrological knowledge. I'd need more charts and examples or RL experiences of certain things to know how some things work or feel so a lot of it with this place is also checking other people's posts for all that.

quote:

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Part of your query, that relating to Sun and SN, appears straight forward, but the interrelatedness to asteroids is quite another thing.

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I intuit suggestions or possibilities from things seen; I know nothing or very little. As said, I googled for SN-Sun synastry contacts and read suggestions of outcomes and things there, but if other people have more to bring in on that through personal experiences, that's what I'd love around here.

The asteroids bring another fascinating level (or three) to the Node-Sun contacts but for that side I imagine the further suggestions need to come from Ceridwen, IQ or perhaps now GemBird82 type figures who pitch in on things like that? There are 4-5 people around who had a lot to contribute on such fronts based on what I recall. I considered myself sitting a bit to the side and less knowledgeable, although the "lightshow" or factual info side of asteroids that I could do maybe made it look different.

posted May 14, 2014 04:25 AM            

Where it gets a bit more interesting is that both have Sun trine Ariadne and A's Ariadne is on B's NN. Ceridwen favoured Ariadne/Dionysus/Bacchus for another soulmate/Twin Flame style pairing indicator ("second chance" sort?) and IQ has written about North Node contacts suggesting destined things. Something coming out through the contact to another person's NN.

In this case there is B's Ariadne also trine A's SN/sextile the NN, so while it's not conjunct there is a repeated pattern there that seems to lift the theme above some others.

Is this what you mean by me knowing more than most? Because if I analyze it like this, I know some things, sure, because I've read other people's suggestions here. All this tends to be the kind of "background info" or "background work" that I rarely post because I do already have the information. Possibly this kind of stuff would help newer people though so maybe this prompts someone else to look further into things like that. Everybody bases their knowledge on things gone past, what's already there. Sometimes new ideas take things in entirely new directions, but until then, you work with what seems to work.

Even without Ariadne in the picture I would imagine that some sort of contact between Venus and Dionysus or Bacchus could lead to some sort of "party hard, love harder" fun if you like. ;P Not necessarily lewd or just drunk, or even drunk on "love" (more likely with a large helping of lust involved) but with some hint of a wilder sort of a(n untamed?) interaction. Now it just goes through the Venus-Mars/Ariadne-mates amplification or repetition pattern.

I'm keeping in mind that it's an Ariadne-LUST conjunction with A, and that B is the Pan-Sun. A also has Pecker conjunct Sun as if to further emphasize possibly vibing to something like that. Smexy things seem a bit likely to feature with the people in some form whatever the case. Doesn't mean it helps suggest much about possible relations otherwise, just that there MAY be something of such themes present in possible interactions or reactions.

What I left out up there is that there is also Saturn sextile Ariadne (at midpoint of B's Ariadne & Sun) and draconic Bacchus opposite Saturn to bring in other planets as "mediators" or connectors.