posted May 13, 2014 07:13 AM            

The reason why this beautiful nebula is so special is because it is the physical remnants of a super nova explosion of the Lyran homeland which, in galactic myth, was the original location of all humanoid races before it was destroyed by the Draco's, thus triggering the diaspora to new planets such as those civilizations located in the Pleiades, Andromeda, Casseopia, Sirius amongst many others.

Thus, strong contacts with the Ring Nebula literally points to the birthplace of humanoid star origins. This is the place from which many streams of consciousness, rays of extraterrestrial starseed races, began their evolutionary journey.

If you have a strong aspect with Sun, Moon, a personal planet, Sun/Moon midpoint, an Angle or a Node with the Lyran Ring Nebula M57 as well as strong aspects to one of the Royal Stars (Regulus, Alderbaran, Formalhaut, Antares) and the Great Attractor, I believe this is proof of a humanoid starseed identity.

For example : Sun conjunct/opposite M57 :Your essence and sense of personal power is strongly identified with your star origin.

Moon conjunct/opposite M57 : instinctual understanding/ subliminal memories of your extraterrestial origins.

South Node conjunct M57 : A highly evolved starseed/ cosmic wanderer who brings to this incarnation past life memories, knowledge and understanding of star origins which underpin current life purpose and direction.

North Node conjunct M57 : Aspiring towards an understanding of star origins being prominent in shaping life purpose/direction.

Prominent alignments with the Lyran Ring Nebula can also indicate involvement with the music of the spheres - the use of natural astronomically and resonant harmonics for healing, illumination, and for greater evolutionary purpose. You might find, for example that a person with South Node conjunct M57 brings to this incarnation a natural aptitude in this area, based on past life extra-terrestrial experience. Similarly, strong contacts are often found in the charts of musicians, artists and those involved with arts and sciences where the intention is to use harmonics of light, sound, and geometry for the expansion of consciousness. In addition, these individuals may be gifted in understanding the relationship between geometry and time--all working intelligently together. Forty octaves up from our middle musical scale lies the spectrum of visible color--light-sound musical harmonics originate from the mathematical unfoldment of time in geometric proportion. M57 inspires multi-spectral creative expression--a multiplicity of opportunity for fulfillment when individuality is creatively amalgamated into a greater expression than one could achieve alone. M57 also holds the memory pattern that unifies our diversity--reminding us that all rays of color and creed ultimately comprise and fulfill the unbounded expression of One Unified Creative Intelligence.

Use tight orbs - for Nodes, angles and luminaries - less than 1.5 or maybe 2 degrees; for other personal planets less than 1 degree.

Also important in the constellation Lyra are the fixed stars Sheliak at 18 Capricorn 53 and Sulaphat at 21 Capricorn 55. These are known as the points or horns of the Tortoise Lyre, which is the structure that carries the resonant strings of the harp which is the the Ring Nebula itself. Although important alignments with these points are not in themselves starseed indicators, they do carry their own Lyran symbolism. Sheliak embodies the wisdom of light/sound harmonics. Physically, this extremely fast rotating binary star radiates a remarkable and spectacular optical show of brilliantly changing color. Sulaphat on the other hand embodies geometric resonance in form and the ancient wisdom of the Turtle.

The other important star in Lyra is the alpha fixed star Vega at 15 Capricorn 19 - this points to where the re-unifying harmonic spectra of the Elohim (the shining ones) culminate--a new home for some upon completion of their galactic missions. Vega is stargate to Mansion Universes of Light--and represents the fulfillment and radiance of starseed missions completed. If strongly aspected along with other Royal Star contacts, this could indicate a lineline in which the influence of the Elohim is strong, along with aspirations to use this to complete the mission assigned to this incarnation. With a South Node contact to Vega, the individual may even be a fully ascended and conscious Elohim starseed master on an earth mission, assuming that there there are also strong alignments with the Great Attractor, Royal Stars and the M57.

A word on the Great Attractor - this is the most powerful point in the Universe, so powerful that it makes the Galactic Centre look miniscule. It is at 14 Sagittarius. While the Galactic Centre is the "sun of our sun", the central rotating point of the Milky Way ... the Great Attractor is a supercluster of 100,000 galaxies 250 million light years from our solar system. It is the grand central sun of a much larger group of galaxies- and it is a point that we are all being pulled towards (we are literally hurling in that direction at insane speeds). In astrology the great attractor represents the key to the mystery of the Universe. it's a very intense point that has mystical and metaphysical properties.

posted May 13, 2014 12:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
This is very informative Taineberry and should be extremely helpful for all those enquiring about their starseed possibilities.

Was wondering how M57 is aspected in your chart .

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Hehe... M57 is lurking there , but I am a struggling starseed, not a supremely evolved one!

posted May 13, 2014 01:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
what about asteroids?
DNA+Neptune/Uranus is 18 degrees capricorn
sun/moon are in aldebaran

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posted May 13, 2014 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:

Btw, there is a difference between those who incarnate without conscious memories of their identity, but gradually recover their heritage through subconcious processes that surface as they gravitate towards fulfillment of the life mission to which they are instinctively drawn; and ascended masters/light beings who incarnate/walk in to bodies fully conscious of their spiritual identity.

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Love how you slip in these gems of knowledge prefixed with 'Btw'!

posted May 13, 2014 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
@ Ail... Wow those are some strong contacts. Do you suspect you are a starseed with affinity towards Lyra, as described earlier?

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posted May 13, 2014 03:10 PM            

I found this list of common starseed aspects based on iQ's research. This dates back to 2010 and may have altered now:

1. Very strong 12th House
2. 6th House Moon or Mars
3. Sun or Ascendant precisely aspect Galactic Centre
4. Asteroid PALLAS, HORUS and AURA are very strong in the charts. A few cases had extremely strong ATLANTIS.
5. Very precise conjunction aspect of an Occult Asteroid to the Star of Origin. Like REGULUS Star Seeds will have Angel, Kaali, Karma, Aura or Pallas on 29 Leo. Some Pleaidians will have DNA conj Alcyone, Reptilians will have a packed Scorpio/Ophichius especially with Kaali and Siva.

Add to this your research on Lyra.

posted May 13, 2014 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Taineberry,

I found this list of common starseed aspects based on iQ's research. This dates back to 2010 and may have altered now:

(I totally respect what IQ has to say in general as he has much experience in this subject; so.... please take my comments as coming from a perspective of personal understanding which is open to criticsm )

1. Very strong 12th House - (Agree that this is a significant contributing factor)

2. 6th House Moon or Mars (Don't really understand the logic behind this)

3. Sun or Ascendant precisely aspect Galactic Centre (yes, but as a point, the GA is much more powerful)

4. Asteroid PALLAS, HORUS and AURA are very strong in the charts. A few cases had extremely strong ATLANTIS.(Yes definitely ... I would also add Hermes and Spirit)

5. Very precise conjunction (or opposition) aspect of an Occult Asteroid to the Star of Origin. Like REGULUS Star Seeds will have Angel, Kaali, Karma, Aura or Pallas on 29 Leo. (yes, but also include luminaries, angles, nodes and sun/moon midpoint, and the other occult and spiritual asteroids) ...Some Pleaidians will have DNA conj Alcyone (yes, but include oppositions as well as conjunctions in all starseed charts) , Reptilians will have a packed Scorpio/Ophichius especially with Kaali and Siva. (yes, but my understanding is that the packed scorp/ophichius need not necessarily contain Kaali if kaali is conj/opp a personal planet, angle or node. Not sure why Siva needs to be there. Also... Note that if a starseed is a Cosmic Wanderer they might show both a reptilian and ET humanoid astrological signature, whereas normal starseeds will be either/or)

No mention of the GA, instead the GC is prominent. Any thoughts? (see above, the pull of the GC is powerful, but the GA pulls you towards the ULTIMATE)

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posted May 13, 2014 05:55 PM              

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Do you have any Great Attractor influences, and do you feel an affinity towards contributing towards raising vibrations towards cosmic consciousness?

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Mercury opp GA.
also ask me again when I'm high.

posted May 14, 2014 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
My comments are in brackets

"5. Very precise conjunction (or opposition) aspect of an Occult Asteroid to the Star of Origin. Like REGULUS Star Seeds will have Angel, Kaali, Karma, Aura or Pallas on 29 Leo. (yes, but also include luminaries, angles, nodes and sun/moon midpoint, and the other occult and spiritual asteroids)

...Some Pleaidians will have DNA conj Alcyone (yes, but include oppositions as well as conjunctions in all starseed charts) , Reptilians will have a packed Scorpio/Ophichius especially with Kaali and Siva. (yes, but my understanding is that the packed scorp/ophichius need not necessarily contain Kaali if kaali is conj/opp a personal planet, angle or node. Not sure why Siva needs to be there. Also... Note that if a starseed is a Cosmic Wanderer they might show both a reptilian and ET humanoid astrological signature, whereas normal starseeds will be either/or)"

There are also some other significators such as certain Sabian symbols. Haven't got a list handy, but for starters it is interesting to note that the Sabian for the ring nebula has something to do with a relay race which is interesting considering the symbol of the baton being passed on as "power being passed on" which happened in the diaspora following Lyra's destruction.

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Draconic Mercury at 20 Capricorn

I never remember what I have there otherwise, it being among the less crowded asteroid spots in finds so far at least. Vanadis was 21 Cap and I'm too tired to remember anything late Cap otherwise.

Might I inquire though?

If there's the Sun/Moon MP conjunct Pleiades/Alcyone, you consider that an origin clue? This comes with Hopi at 28 Taurus basically conjunct the beginning of the Pleiades, too, when the Hopi claim to have come from there. Hopi square Sun, 1 conjunct Regulus. Virgo Kaali a bit over a degree conj Venus with Laotse & Tyr between them.

I always considered Vega to be 14 Capricorn but may remember wrong where it was when I was born. Ah, 14.59 Cap. IF you count oppositions what do you think about Soomana and Sootiyo the star boy and star girl of the Hopi in connection to such? I have Sootiyo at 15.37 Cancer (Soomana 16.54 R Aquarius) so always considered it wide of my 13.45 (?) Can Sirius at least.

I'd also be interested in knowing how you consider love-asteroids to feature if on relevant spots in the chart. I've always thought my Valentine on the Great Attractor vastly (personally?) significant since, well, hello Valentine the big one and something called that. The only love so far had their Sun at 14 Sag, the timing coinciding with my progressed Moon passing over that. There's no logic to it mattering in Starseed stuff per se otherwise though, if not to suggest you'll love anything such to no end. Do you want to put it down to cosmic love or someone you love hailing from such regions - or constantly running from you since the GA is moving away from us?

You may want the Sabian for 6 degrees Leo (Leo 7) on your possible starry list given that it's "A constellation of stars at night" or something like that. I always loved the Sabian for my Ascendant (& the Sun with the mermaid transformation stuff) ever since I learned what it was.

"The Constellations Of Stars Shine Brilliantly In The Night Sky"

posted May 15, 2014 04:44 AM            

If there's the Sun/Moon MP conjunct Pleiades/Alcyone, you consider that an origin clue? .... (Yes most definitely. My thinking is that the Lyra connection is a HUMANOID starseed indicator, but as that system was destroyed and the inhabitants forced to disperse ... if a person with Pleiadian signature like yours (and I personally think the sun/moon midpoint is a VERY strong signature as it represents the integrated self comprising the conscious and unconscious mind) also has a strong Lyran signature - then the two together will mean that you are a HUMANOID Pleiadian starseed as you have Lyran origins. If you have this same Pleidian signature together with a strong Draco signature (Alpha Draconis/ Orion/ Ophiuchus/Kaali etc) - then the two together will mean you are a REPTILIAN Pleiadian starseed. Similarly you can use other species. If you have multiple signatures, the chances of you being a cosmic wanderer are greater; however your essential identity should still indicate a soul homeland somewhere.)

This comes with Hopi at 28 Taurus basically conjunct the beginning of the Pleiades, too, when the Hopi claim to have come from there. (yes this reinforces it, and possibly indicates that your first earth past life was associated with the Hopi)

Hopi square Sun, 1 conjunct Regulus. (conjunction to Regulus is an important starseed indicator, not only because it indicates star origins in general (I think IQ is the authority on this matter), but because of its symbology as being the cosmic body that represents the energy of one of the four watchers - in this case the North which falls under the healing archangel Raphael. i.e. it gives a clue to starseed missions; a starseed would not be incarnating on earth if they did not have an ET related soul mission; thus it is likely that all starseeds have a link to one or more of the Royal Stars)

Virgo Kaali a bit over a degree conj Venus with Laotse & Tyr between them. (now you see Reptilian energy possibly associated with a lifeline in China where you were a strong defender of that culture). Note that a reptilian signature is not necessarily "bad", used correctly it can powerfully enhance consciousness in a human incarnation, but it carries with it the risk of being susceptible to neg. reptilian influences too

I always considered Vega to be 14 Capricorn but may remember wrong where it was when I was born. Ah, 14.59 Cap. (yes it moves slowly, so the postition is around 15 Cap now, but for natal would have been earlier)

IF you count oppositions what do you think about Soomana and Sootiyo the star boy and star girl of the Hopi in connection to such? I have Sootiyo at 15.37 Cancer (Soomana 16.54 R Aquarius) so always considered it wide of my 13.45 (I do count oppositions; fixed stars cast no rays, but they do point in a straight line - so conj and opp is included. I have not investigated Soomana and Sootiyo at all yet, so can't comment, but thanks for the heads up about their existence) (?) Can Sirius at least. (orbs are a thorny topic, but I think 2 deg is ok - interesting that Sootiyo is on this axis Vega/Sirius as Sirius is the seat of Christ Consiousness (the Logos) and Vega is the seat of the Elohim and the Sootiyo you say is associated with the Hopi which is in turn connected to your Pleiadian star signature. Many interesting possiblities here!!)

I'd also be interested in knowing how you consider love-asteroids to feature if on relevant spots in the chart. I've always thought my Valentine on the Great Attractor vastly (personally?) significant since, well, hello Valentine the big one and something called that. The only love so far had their Sun at 14 Sag, the timing coinciding with my progressed Moon passing over that. (Ok - bearing in mind that my take on Great Attractor is the ultimate truth, the omega point in our universe - a Valentine conjunction there will predispose you BIG TIME towards a search for TRUE LOVE. Nothing less will do, and you will spend much time pondering the nature of what true love actually is. You will not rest in your developing your understanding in this area - it is a kind of holy grail quest for you; and yes it is no surprise you connected with someone who had contact at that point - he is part of this quest.)

There's no logic to it mattering in Starseed stuff per se otherwise though, (IMO the Great Attractor NB is starseed stuff as (positive) starseeds are interested in evolution of the soul; ergo - the ultimate truth, the ultimate state of being)

if not to suggest you'll love anything such to no end. Do you want to put it down to cosmic love or someone you love hailing from such regions - or constantly running from you since the GA is moving away from us? (It is my understanding that the GA is pulling us towards itself; it is pulling the whole universe in; it is the omega point where we all become ONE again - a singularity - and when we reach this point the OMEGA becomes the ALPHA and the universe is reborn at a higher octave in a new big bang. My mind resonates very much with this theory. Science is still debating the theory, but there is already much support for this if you read around. Here is an easy-to-understand link written by a layperson : http://emsnews.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/nobel-prize-astronomers-save- the-world-from-the-great-attractor/)

You may want the Sabian for 6 degrees Leo (Leo 7) on your possible starry list given that it's "A constellation of stars at night" or something like that. I always loved the Sabian for my Ascendant (& the Sun with the mermaid transformation stuff) ever since I learned what it was.

"The Constellations Of Stars Shine Brilliantly In The Night Sky"

(Thanks - very cool Sabian)

I'm actually not saying I'm any sort of a starseed of recent sorts at least, though with your criteria may qualify to some extent. (YES) IQ noted my draconic ASC at 10 Sag conjunct Neptune-Antares as the most significant sometime, beyond the Pleiades-Hopi-square-Sun stuff.(yes again) Antiscia also hardly matter with all that no matter how 20 Cap would lead to 9 Sag. ;P If I am of starseed sorts, I'm pretty ineffectual at least on conscious levels I imagine. (ah... but you must actively develop your inner dialogue ... you will see) You also don't need to be "alien" to feel alien among some people's logic it seems (true), and a love of science fiction possibly doesn't qualify you for any of this either (doesn't hurt either - it is a kind of trigger to encourage you on your inner quest - makes you curious, and this is a start)

posted May 15, 2014 04:47 AM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
If I use 14.59-15 degrees in capricorn for vega I get:
A cardinal grand cross
Lucifer/Hatshephet/Utopia in cancer
Sphinx in Libra
Imhotep in Cap conjunct Lyra
Nefertiti/Bless in Aries

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posted May 15, 2014 07:27 AM            

Lyra, Lyra, Lyra.....

Conquered for not being strong enough.

Conquered for not being smart enough.

Conquered for not being motivated enough.

Conquered for being too complacent.

Conquered for being over Sympathetic to the malevolent strong who pretended to be weak and benign. We did not see through the "Crocodile Tears"....

Conquered because there was nobody home who had the attitude of the fictional "Expendables" Cast. And Tsun-Zu did not exist so we had no clue about the Art of War.

The biggest lesson from the fiasco is that compassion should be shown to the enemy only after 100% disarmament and containment.
Forgive the enemy AFTER you have shielded yourself and quarantined them.

Do show the other cheek.... just ensure the enemy's hand is smarting from your steel helmet.

The worst of all past life recalls would be that of the Lyran defeat. In fact, if humanity would have agreed to suppress every past life recall just to make sure we do not have to see this again.

We sucked big time

My Secondary Ascendant is 21 Capricorn.
Note: Secondary Ascendant or "Shadow Ascendant" was a term coined by Carl Payne Tobey where the Ascendant is shifted back by the same value as the difference between the Tropical Sun and the Tropical Ascendant.
I think this is the Ascendant that describes our Astral Body but I am not sure.

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posted May 15, 2014 12:12 PM            

Regarding GA and GC .. May I ask why GC is more expessive? Is it because it is the first point of integration in our galaxy, whereas GA is the final point? If this is so then I can understand why it is more externalised (it is more of an "immediate" concern on a galactic level), whilst GA is more internal as its potency lies far deeper?

About Lyra ... I feel your sadness.

posted May 15, 2014 10:45 PM            

the other thing I left out about IQ pointing out I had Laotse conjunct Venus was his suggesting the 8 Leo China & the Laotse & Hopi brought some spiritual meaning/mission stuff, my forgetting the exact phrasing after all this time. So your bringing up China vibes to the ASC as well by some 1,5 degrees or something. To be honest, I always preferred Japan (despite Hiroshima exactly on DC) - but have mostly met Chinese-origined people more so online, for example.

8 Leo has among other things China, STARTEK and Saint-Michel, Siwa, Child, Mahakala, Britastra. ASC 6.53 Leo

Venus is exactly conjunct Constable, Requiem, Quirk, Jedicke (Jedi or Icke? ;P ), Sado, Pyramus, Kobolda, Nuwa, Patrickgene, Xosa and more I forget now, so from a "a strong defender of that culture" perspective that makes it interesting. Constable refers more to the painter no doubt, but is a policeman above all. Nuwa was just referred to on another post as the Chinese creator goddess, "best known for creating mankind and repairing the wall of heaven" - so in hindsight that conjunct Laotse adds more weight. Possibly all the more when it's Laotse-Tyr-STARCHIK-Goto-Ask and Ask is the Norse myth Adam, first man. Tyr on the other hand (sorry) sacrifices his hand/arm to chain Fenris the wolf. "God associated with law and heroic glory in Norse mythology, portrayed as one-handed".

You gonna kill me if I say Google tells me Alpha Draconis/Thuban is at 7.37 Virgo, my Venus 6.57? ;P Kaali 8.17 Virgo. Honestly, I have Compassion, Memoria, Yeshuhua & (Zen-master) Dogen conjunct Arcturus from 24 Libra, dun kill me. ;P Also have Mary at 15 Sag if more "Jesse" related people are needed. Jupiter-Peking at 24 Aries, too, should you want an opposition to Arcturus with more Chinese stuff on top.
*does a "What do you people want?!" show of everything to counter auto-evil brands* Aah, tags and what people do with them.

What do you count for Orion though? There's Rigel for Beta Orion, Bellatrix and more, Orion seeming a bit spread out. Where do you place Ophiuchus, the degree span?

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
" if a person with Pleiadian signature like yours (and I personally think the sun/moon midpoint is a VERY strong signature ... the two together will mean that you are a HUMANOID Pleiadian starseed. If you have this same Pleidian signature together with a strong Draco signature (Alpha Draconis/ Orion/ Ophiuchus/Kaali etc) - then the two together will mean you are a REPTILIAN Pleiadian starseed. Similarly you can use other species.)

..interesting that Sootiyo is on this axis Vega/Sirius as Sirius is the seat of Christ Consciousness (the Logos) and Vega is the seat of the Elohim and the Sootiyo you say is associated with the Hopi which is in turn connected to your Pleiadian star signature. Many interesting possiblities here!!)

(Ok - bearing in mind that my take on Great Attractor is the ultimate truth, the omega point in our universe - a Valentine conjunction there will predispose you BIG TIME towards a search for TRUE LOVE. Nothing less will do, and you will spend much time pondering the nature of what true love actually is. You will not rest in your developing your understanding in this area - it is a kind of holy grail quest for you; and yes it is no surprise you connected with someone who had contact at that point - he is part of this quest.)

If I am of starseed sorts, I'm pretty ineffectual at least on conscious levels I imagine. (ah... but you must actively develop your inner dialogue ... you will see) ... and a love of science fiction possibly doesn't qualify you for any of this either (doesn't hurt either - it is a kind of trigger to encourage you on your inner quest - makes you curious, and this is a start)

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Amor conj Osiris 16-17 Pisces likewise. I'm kind of geared toward picky? ;P Funnily enough it's Mercury opp Amor so draconic Amor falls at 20 Cancer opposite your Lyran point again. Valentine-GA, draconic Amor 20 Cancer. My love life seems geared toward your tips if nothing else.

The 14 Sag Sun figure could probably be seen as an interesting person, too, since he had Cystic Fibrosis and quite a lot to deal with through something like that I guess. Too Sag and not enough in aspects otherwise after progression/s for me, but still.

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(TL;DR = funny dream-story.)

Whatever people think about starseed stuff, there's a funny story with my finally bothering to google Pleiadians some years back due to the Hopi stuff written by IQ and some things talked about here. Basic first reaction to pictures was "Oh, it's you guys". One of the rare space-related dreams I remember featured a fleet (or five) of what I back then could only refer to as "space elves" - which basically translated into the gorgeous blond Nordic type alien images out there when seen. It was a big "Wait, why is everybody only ever talking about some boring Greys and why didn't anybody tell me that there according to some people would be blond aliens à la dream?" Funny. Daily life didn't feature elf-influences at the time, but of course dreams can be many things, wish fulfilment aside.

Likewise funny were the weird looks got from dream figures on the bridge of a ship where I'd suddenly somehow ended, when doing a humility/feelings-of-inferiority remark about the gorgeous women my supposed "partner" was working with or surrounded by all the time. Why would he be involved with you if his own kind were gorgeous like that. Not a clue about TFs or anything such back then either, several years before anything such. Can only later assume that whatever I "looked" like in the dream didn't necessarily match normal earthy appearances *shrug* but the weird look one of the women gave me over my comment was weird at the time. Gist of the rest was then coordinating some peace conference-meeting style security thing, tagging along for the security details with the male & 2-3 others. Silver/blue as the uniform colours remembered.

The main other space-related earlier dream had me saving workers from a factory (and then blowing it up from what I recall) on some planet with some blond male "elf-type" alien ("light" blue "uniform" or clothes) toward the end, his having the ship to get the people rescued after getting them out. My space-life; fun and apparently rather exciting, but hilarious to discuss as dreams from a mundane point of view. My life clearly isn't exciting enough at times.

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