posted June 04, 2014 09:01 PM            

If you TF helps you evolve wouldn't that mean that there could be karma?

posted June 05, 2014 01:46 AM            

Sorry, not a native speaker :-)

posted June 06, 2014 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
From my experience, the answer is no. There isn't karma to be worked out between them because only when someone has evolved enough to where they don't have any karma is where they are worthy enough to be with their twin flame. Because twin flames aren't here to satisfy human concepts and desires, they are here for a greater purpose and that is to help humanity.

How can you help humanity when you haven't yet helped yourself? I know first hand, from experience, twin flames don't have karma together.

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His vertex conjuncts my SN by one minute.

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My vertex conjuncts his NN exact.

Does that have to mean karma or can it just mean that we have reunited in the past and reunited again in this life? In my case that is what my instincts tell me it means.

I dont feel I have karma with him, more like we both have unresolved karma with others that need to be worked out before we reunite fully ..

posted June 06, 2014 10:49 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
From my experience, the answer is no. There isn't karma to be worked out between them because only when someone has evolved enough to where they don't have any karma is where they are worthy enough to be with their twin flame. Because twin flames aren't here to satisfy human concepts and desires, they are here for a greater purpose and that is to help humanity.

How can you help humanity when you haven't yet helped yourself? I know first hand, from experience, twin flames don't have karma together.

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IDK, I feel is more complex than that. I feel the TF reunion activates this process that climaxes when your eternal love for each other transcends, transforms and expands into unconditional universal love for humanity.

The TF journey is from the 4th to the 8th to the 12th...the 12th to me is what allows universal love that stems from the TF connection (all the water houses)....

That is how my journey with my TF connection has been like so far and this immense pull to merge with him has always been there..but there are many opinions and theories on the signs you have found your TF...

posted June 06, 2014 11:09 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Can you meet you TF and have karma that needs to be worked out?

If you TF helps you evolve wouldn't that mean that there could be karma?

Honest question and want the truth.

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I can answer this, actually, as my own experiences would confirm that. iQ has expressed that, due to the synastry with my Twin Flame, there is karma which must be sorted prior to Reunion.

posted June 06, 2014 11:12 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
From my experience, the answer is no. There isn't karma to be worked out between them because only when someone has evolved enough to where they don't have any karma is where they are worthy enough to be with their twin flame. Because twin flames aren't here to satisfy human concepts and desires, they are here for a greater purpose and that is to help humanity.

How can you help humanity when you haven't yet helped yourself? I know first hand, from experience, twin flames don't have karma together.

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Let's say that's in your experience, athene. We'd all love to believe that we haven't gotten mired in the third-dimension during the years we've been alive, but many have, and don't realise it until Awakening.

posted June 06, 2014 11:19 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
His vertex conjuncts my SN by one minute.

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My vertex conjuncts his NN exact.

Does that have to mean karma or can it just mean that we have reunited in the past and reunited again in this life? In my case that is what my instincts tell me it means.

I dont feel I have karma with him, more like we both have unresolved karma with others that need to be worked out before we reunite fully ..

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Actually, I believe you did. Your relationship (VERTEX) helped you clear karma (SNODE) and him evolve (NNODE).

We've yet to find just the right Nodal balance for Twin Flames. We expect to see SNODE active, but can't say how much. Too many NNODE ties indicate future lifetimes, and decrease the likelihood for Reunion.

posted June 06, 2014 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:

The TF journey is from the 4th to the 8th to the 12th...the 12th to me is what allows universal love that stems from the TF connection (all the water houses)....

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posted June 06, 2014 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I can answer this, actually, as my own experiences would confirm that. iQ has expressed that, due to the synastry with my Twin Flame, there is karma which must be sorted prior to Reunion.

Everyone debates whether we have (unresolved) karma WITH our Twin Flame. I'm less clear on that one. I certainly believe it possible.

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Such was the case with "TF" and I; we had/have certain karma to resolve with others, IQ saw that in our charts as well, which confirms what I already knew.

IQ on that G-cross in our helio composite:

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The SIVA-PARVATI-Uranus-Earth grand cross stands out, beats everything else. It means when you both are free from Earth Debts, you will have a similar TF relationship as the Mythical Siva-Parvati type, a very pure Union.

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There were major sacrifices that were made in this life time...but, a lot has been accomplished...

I know I don't have karma with my "TF", and I don't believe "TFs" have karma with each other...

posted June 06, 2014 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
His vertex conjuncts my SN by one minute.

and

My vertex conjuncts his NN exact.

Does that have to mean karma or can it just mean that we have reunited in the past and reunited again in this life? In my case that is what my instincts tell me it means.

I dont feel I have karma with him, more like we both have unresolved karma with others that need to be worked out before we reunite fully ..

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I have SN conjunct Vertex with my ???? (Whatever he is, lol). Our Nodes are conjunct in reverse and his SN is in between my North Node and Vertex, 40 minutes from the exact midpoint. I'm not sure it specifically means you have karma together. It does suggest you have had many prev lives together. It is a "karmic tie" I guess. Here is what Celeste Teal in "Lunar Nodes: Discover Your Lifes Karmic Mission"....
"Quite a destined association and karmic interaction in which each person needs the other in order to fulfill the destiny. Each acts as a complement to the other, providing an element needed for each other to attain the individuality or accomplish a feat. The house holding the vertx and the SN signify the energy flow of the association. The vertex/SN have a long history and a long future as there are many continuations."

Do you believe you have had many incarnations together? If so, how would one avoid accumulating karma then? Some people believe TF's rarely incarnate together. If they are one souled beings would that make it impossible to create karma? There's a lot of unanswered questions.

IQ was kind enough to look at our charts on another thread and said we could be twin flames but he needed exact birth time to be sure (which I don't have). In my case, I know I have had many lives with this person. I believe we are playing out karma right now as well as karma with others. Maybe that makes us not TF's. I don't like getting hung up on labels when there is so much that is unclear about this stuff. We have markers that look like a TF and some that probably don't. I just think of him as the soul I put above all others, the soul I am closest, too (at least on the other side). And I often have to remind myself this is what we agreed to before coming here, cause this pretty much sucks...

posted June 06, 2014 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Let's say that's in your experience, athene. We'd all love to believe that we haven't gotten mired in the third-dimension during the years we've been alive, but many have, and don't realise it until Awakening.

Does depend upon how we define karma. But I've encountered a few Twin Flame couples with shared unresolved karma.

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posted June 06, 2014 09:18 PM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
I have SN conjunct Vertex with my ???? (Whatever he is, lol). Our Nodes are conjunct in reverse and his SN is in between my North Node and Vertex, 40 minutes from the exact midpoint. I'm not sure it specifically means you have karma together. It does suggest you have had many prev lives together. It is a "karmic tie" I guess. Here is what Celeste Teal in "Lunar Nodes: Discover Your Lifes Karmic Mission"....
"Quite a destined association and karmic interaction in which each person needs the other in order to fulfill the destiny. Each acts as a complement to the other, providing an element needed for each other to attain the individuality or accomplish a feat. The house holding the vertx and the SN signify the energy flow of the association. The vertex/SN have a long history and a long future as there are many continuations."

Do you believe you have had many incarnations together? If so, how would one avoid accumulating karma then? Some people believe TF's rarely incarnate together. If they are one souled beings would that make it impossible to create karma? There's a lot of unanswered questions.

IQ was kind enough to look at our charts on another thread and said we could be twin flames but he needed exact birth time to be sure (which I don't have). In my case, I know I have had many lives with this person. I believe we are playing out karma right now as well as karma with others. Maybe that makes us not TF's. I don't like getting hung up on labels when there is so much that is unclear about this stuff. We have markers that look like a TF and some that probably don't. I just think of him as the soul I put above all others, the soul I am closest, too (at least on the other side). And I often have to remind myself this is what we agreed to before coming here, cause this pretty much sucks...

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Thanks for sharing with me, I really enjoyed reading your input and experience.

I agree with you that there is a lot of unanswered stuff with this topic of TF and if we are honest is very theoretical, I definitely belief in soulmates but I do question to some extent the TF theory, I am not 100% sure about it although it is a fascinating topic to discuss and try to decipher and I am drawn to it like many people.

The reality is that anyone that thinks they found their TF does not know for sure without a doubt bc this is largely a spiritual belief but we can all agree that some soulmate relationships are more significant than others.

Personally I find it really hard to belief that if TF do exist that they DONT connect and meet in multiple lives bec you are drawn to your other half like a magnet, you are entangled to them forever so you will naturally gravitate towards each other and cross paths time and time again......that makes logical sense to me!!!!!

On the other hand thinking that you will only see your TF at your last life when you are ready, that sounds more like a religious belief.

You will gravitate towards your TF, you might ignore him or her as he glances at you bc you are not ready for that level of intensity but common you are going to gravitate towards each other and we have 1000s lives so naturally you will meet many times and fall in love many times.

This love is so strong that it eventually boils over and turns to unconditional universal love and that is the point and purpose, when that happens you feel one with the universe and everyone and you raise the vibration of everything.

posted June 06, 2014 09:19 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I can answer this, actually, as my own experiences would confirm that. iQ has expressed that, due to the synastry with my Twin Flame, there is karma which must be sorted prior to Reunion.

Everyone debates whether we have (unresolved) karma WITH our Twin Flame. I'm less clear on that one. I certainly believe it possible.

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posted June 06, 2014 09:23 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Hey! What about the 1H? That's where our massive Scorpio conjunction lies, after all. The 'journey of convergence' and such. House of Identity. Can't forget that one.

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Yes you have introduced me to this and I find it fascinating... I will not forget this convergence thing.

I am not 100% convinced that you have to have this for someone to be your TF although maybe you do!

BUT I am thinking that this is connected to ascension and your last life when you two come together and move to another dimension.

Sweet huh.

posted June 07, 2014 11:20 PM            

I hope twin flames are real and I hope that is true that they don't have karma bet them. I hope....

posted June 09, 2014 06:33 AM            

If even Shri Krishna could collect karmic debts, how can Twin Flames be free of karmic debts with respect to one another?
[ Even the Buddha had a few debts to pay off prior to getting 100% Enlightenment. ]

Yes, these debts would be a minimal, and should be easier to settle [as compared to a Karmic Soulmate] and thus pave the way for a reunion without karma. In some cases, irrespective of karmic debts, the TF runs away than commit. Zero Karmic Glue = 100% Freedom to run.

Thus, a little karmic debt is not a bad thing

In the Higher Existence or "4th D", there are no karmic debts between Twin Flames.

I think Indigo is one of the rare few who has recalls of existing with her Twin in the Higher Dimension. I have just one more documented case, of a Lyran Couple, who have had the higher dimension recall in vivid detail.

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posted June 09, 2014 06:41 AM            

I for one am not convinced one is with their twin flame If they are not well primed for ascension...

posted June 09, 2014 09:30 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
The answer is yes. Even Shri Krishna, one who knew the Laws of Karma with precision, collected karmic debts, and hence had to receive the arrow in his heel at the time of his death to settle the debts.

If even Shri Krishna could collect karmic debts, how can Twin Flames be free of karmic debts with respect to one another?
[ Even the Buddha had a few debts to pay off prior to getting 100% Enlightenment. ]

Yes, these debts would be a minimal, and should be easier to settle [as compared to a Karmic Soulmate] and thus pave the way for a reunion without karma. In some cases, irrespective of karmic debts, the TF runs away than commit. Zero Karmic Glue = 100% Freedom to run.

Thus, a little karmic debt is not a bad thing

In the Higher Existence or "4th D", there are no karmic debts between Twin Flames.

I think Indigo is one of the rare few who has recalls of existing with her Twin in the Higher Dimension. I have just one more documented case, of a Lyran Couple, who have had the higher dimension recall in vivid detail.

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Thank you. Yes that makes sense, enough karma to bring you together and glue you together but not to the point that is a karmic relationship.

posted June 09, 2014 09:31 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
depends how you define karma... I think the form she is talking about is the human kind.. being in the fourth dimension is being free of that karma.

I for one am not convinced one is with their twin flame If they are not well primed for ascension...

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Do you have a 1h stellium of 6 planets or more in the composite with your TF???

or a stellium of 6 planets or more in water house?

posted June 09, 2014 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I don't know if I met my twin flame... I met someone last year and they might be.. but I don't know their time of birth. but a lot is happening with my consciousness since then...

but in the composite there is a mystic rectangle with venusmars/Neptune/Uranus/pluto. and there aren't any harmful aspects except mercury opposite Uranus.

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Well thanks for being honest. I think mystic rectangles are cool, I have that with my ex in our composite heliocentric.....

posted June 09, 2014 07:38 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Do you have a 1h stellium of 6 planets or more in the composite with your TF???

or a stellium of 6 planets or more in water house?

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Sorry, but this story about the condensed composite and the stellium is mathematical/astronomical nonsense. It's the same story as the one with the "love stellium". Many people who are born a few months apart have this situation between them when you compose them, because this is what happens when you do the midpoints between two charts close in time. Or people with the same Sun or adjacent Suns. Or people with the same Suns or adjacent Suns who have personal stelliums as well. It doesn't mean they are twinflames. The condensed nature of the composite cannot be a marker of twinflames. It doesn't mean there aren't twinflames who do have a such a composite.

posted June 09, 2014 07:44 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
In some cases, irrespective of karmic debts, the TF runs away than commit. Zero Karmic Glue = 100% Freedom to run.

Thus, a little karmic debt is not a bad thing

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posted June 09, 2014 10:36 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Sorry, but this story about the condensed composite and the stellium is mathematical/astronomical nonsense. It's the same story as the one with the "love stellium". Many people who are born a few months apart have this situation between them when you compose them, because this is what happens when you do the midpoints between two charts close in time. Or people with the same Sun or adjacent Suns. Or people with the same Suns or adjacent Suns who have personal stelliums as well. It doesn't mean they are twinflames. The condensed nature of the composite cannot be a marker of twinflames. It doesn't mean there aren't twinflames who do have a such a composite.

The most important thing to always remember about a composite, IMO, is that it reflects the synastry. A twinflame synastry will become a twinflame composite, condensed or not condensed, concentration in the composite is not a sign per se.

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