posted June 30, 2014 11:31 AM            

The mythical Pandora and the Biblical Eve both had a curiosity to know the truth, and were willing to go outside limits and look inside hidden and forbidden places to find deeper truths. Do you know what was in the bottom of Pandora's box? It was hope.
Their curiosity was a symbol of the human search for wisdom and consciousness. They chose to know what was real and true rather than to live a childlike fantasy. Because they sought to know what was beyond the obvious, they began the journey of consciousness, knowledge and wisdom.
I find the stories of Pandora and Eve to be poignant and courageous. The struggle to achieve consciousness is tied to duality--there is suffering in the journey as well as freedom from ignorance. I respect the fact that Pandora, like Eve, was told not to disobey orders from the gods--and that they chose consciousness over naivete. I like that "Hope" was there in the bottom of Pandora's box. ~

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http://www.astrologyweekly.com/blog/the-asteroid-pandora/

We’ve all heard the story of Pandora. She was made out of clay by the Greek gods and given something from each of them, and then sent to Earth with this box that she wasn’t supposed to open. Unfortunately for Pandora and the rest of the world, the god Hermes gave her curiosity, which is what got her to open up that pesky box. Of course, this was what the gods, specifically Zeus, had wanted all along. Pandora was sent to destroy man. So with the opening of the box came a whole mess of bad things that filled the Earth and tormented man – greed, fear, anger. Apparently, man was perfect before this bad box and silly Pandora came along (I say that with sarcasm). Eventually, Pandora was able to get the box shut, but all of the badness that was in that box came out before she was able to shut it. The only thing that was left in the box was hope.

Pandora is asteroid number 55, if you want to look her up in your own chart. The asteroid Pandora, astrologically, is seen in a few ways. When it comes to the story of Pandora, you see that she didn’t do as she was instructed. She opened the box she wasn’t supposed to open, and out came the bad. In your life, Pandora can symbolize the proverbial can of worms. The sign, house position, and aspects made by your Pandora can show where you may open up that box that you immediately want to close.

At first, Pandora can seem like a real pain. You’d rather not deal with her at all. Most people would rather walk through life ignoring all of the bad that’s right there in front of them. With Pandora, you can’t. You have to face it. You have to face the truth. So you have to get everything out first, face the all of the bad, and accept the reality.

There can be controversy where Pandora is concerned, and it’s not Pandora’s fault. It’s our fault for wanting to put the blame on someone or something else so we don’t have to take responsibility for our part in the bad situation. If someone points out the bad thing we’re trying to avoid, we turn on them, making them out to be the bad guy, the one who’s ruining our perfect paradise. But that paradise is an illusion, and we’re just mad that they had to point it out.

Pointing out the truth is important, because without the truth, we never really know any of the good, only the bad that we’re constantly trying to escape. So there is a purpose and a point to Pandora, and it’s one we need to embrace and appreciate.

From Pandora we learn that when all is lost, we still have hope, and that hope can carry us through the bad times, so with a prominent Pandora, you might be the type of person who can keep going no matter what is happening to you. No matter how bad it is, there’s still a tiny bit of hope somewhere deep inside of you that doesn’t go away.

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http://www.zot.net/pallas_liberty.htm

SUMMARY
This study shows, using approximately 400 astrological charts of mostly public personalities, correlations between astrological patterns and political/ethical ideologies. The primary indicator of political/ethical ideology is the asteroid Pallas, followed by Venus and the Moon.

Pallas in aspect to the Sun, Mercury, and/or the North Node ("Defensive Pallas") tends to increase a native's libertarian or philosophically non-aggressive tendencies. Pallas in disharmonious aspect to Jupiter, in any aspect to Pluto, or in a stronger aspect to the South Node than to the North Node ("Aggressive Pallas") tends to increase a native's philosophically aggressive or authoritarian tendencies. The placement of Pallas on the natal chart is a reliable indicator of the degree of government control the native considers acceptable. Aspects of Pallas to planets which rule one of these factors also affect the chart (libertarian charts, for example, can have Pallas in aspect to the ruler of the Sun rather than the Sun itself). Also, aspects to the ruler of Pallas affect the chart.

The placement of Venus also shows a correlation with ideology, with regard to wealth. Venus or the Second House ruler conjunct or trine the North Node ("Solid Venus") usually indicates especially strong free-market capitalist tendencies. Conversely, charts of persons with leftist or government-interventionist economic views tend to have Neptune or the South Node in aspect to Venus, the ruler of Venus, or the Second House ("Fluid Venus"). While "Fluid Venus" is present in nearly all the charts of leftists in this sample, it is not a reliable indicator that the native will adhere to lefist economics. Many natives with the pattern will shift to non-interventionist economics after a comparative study of economic systems (common in cases with a strong "Defensive Pallas" placement); others will adopt right-wing coloration without changing their underlying economic views in order to gain political influence.

Cultural conservatism, as differentiated from libertarian (small-government and/or anti-war) conservatism and economic (laissez-faire) conservatism, may be connected to the astrological placement of the Moon and the Fourth House. It is common for cultural conservatives to have the North Node in aspect to the Moon, the Fourth House, and/or their rulers ("Solid Moon"). Conversely, the South Node and/or Neptune in connection to the Moon or Fourth House ("Fluid Moon") may indicate a departure from socially conservative values. Cultural conservatism and cultural liberalism can coexist with any combination of Pallas and Venus factors, though cultural conservatives often politically align themselves with fiscal conservatives and cultural liberals with economic leftists. Due to the difficulty of obtaining birth times for many charts, this factor is more difficult to track than Pallas and Venus.
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SO what is your pallas and pandora doing in your chart?

What about synastry? The only aspect my pallas makes is pallas trine juno and my husband introduced me to anarcho capitalism, libertarianism and the NAP.

My husband has natally:

Pallas opposite mercury and inconjunct saturn

Pandora conjunct mercury by one orb approaching.

Pandora trine moon and semisextile saturn.

His pallas opposes his pandora.

In our synastry:
His pallas conjuncts my juno
His pandora conjuncts my saturn
His pandora opposes my juno

A friend of mine who is libertarian as well:

His pandora conjuncts his jupiter
His pallas trines exact his jupiter
His pallas biquintiles moon and mars
His pallas semisextiles uranus

His pandora conjuncts by one orb or less my moon and his jupiter conjuncts my moon as well.

Adam Kokesh:
Pandora square moon, pandora trine mars, pandora trine saturn

Pallas square venus, pallas conjunct mars, pallas conjunct saturn

Jesse Ventura:
Pallas opposite mercury
Pandora conjunct Sun exact.

Lee Rockwell:

Pallas conjunct Sun and mercury and Saturn.
Pallas square neptune

Pandora square mars and jupiter.

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posted June 30, 2014 11:43 AM            

Took a quick look at the sites cited above, and they display a right leaning bias. For example, they denigrate left leaning individuals, e.g., Noam Chomsky. Some evidence cited about him is incorrect.

This makes me distrust their interpretations of Pallas. They would be inclined to see Pallas aspects in libertarians as relating to their politics when that may not be the case.

posted June 30, 2014 11:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Hi Amelia,

Took a quick look at the sites cited above, and they display a right leaning bias. For example, they denigrate left leaning individuals, e.g., Noam Chomsky.

Such flagrant bias makes me distrust their interpretations of Pallas. They would be inclined to see Pallas aspects in libertarians as relating to their politics when that may not be the case.

I am a socialist and my Pallas has similar aspects to their libertarians. Ha!

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Can you please list ALL the PALLAS aspects you have and ALL the PANDORA aspects you have please. Do you have pallas aspecting pluto?? Please don't exclude any aspects and actually list out all the aspects your pallas and pandora make, thanks.

I use to be a democrat but then I met my husband and my pallas trines my juno and sesquisquares venus and his pallas aspects my juno.

posted June 30, 2014 11:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Hi Amelia,

Took a quick look at the sites cited above, and they display a right leaning bias. For example, they denigrate left leaning individuals, e.g., Noam Chomsky. Some evidence cited about him is incorrect.

This makes me distrust their interpretations of Pallas. They would be inclined to see Pallas aspects in libertarians as relating to their politics when that may not be the case.

I am a socialist and my Pallas has similar aspects to their free market economists. Ha!

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posted June 30, 2014 12:21 PM            

Pallas: trine Jupiter (0), trine Pluto (1), biquintile Uranus (0), quintile Mercury (0)

Jupiter: opp Moon in aqua, sextile Neptune (0), conj Pluto (1).

Pandora (in 12th, Cancer) trine Venus (1), quincunx NN/Vertex (0), trine Saturn (3)

Venus: semisextile Mercury (1), square Asc (2), conj Saturn (5)

2nd House ruler Mercury: quintile Uranus (0), semisquare Jupiter/Pluto, semisextile Venus (0)

posted June 30, 2014 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
I have Pallas at the GC exact. So, Jupiter is ruler of Pallas.

Pallas: trine Jupiter (0), trine Pluto (1), biquintile Uranus (0), quintile Mercury (0)

Jupiter: opp Moon in aqua, sextile Neptune (0), conj Pluto (1).

Pandora (in 12th, Cancer) trine Venus (1), quincunx NN/Vertex (0), trine Saturn (3)

Venus: semisextile Mercury (1), square Asc (2), conj Saturn (5)

2nd House ruler Mercury: quintile Uranus (0), semisquare Jupiter/Pluto, semisextile Venus (0)

So, the aspect to Pluto should make me aggressive and authoritarian - the two traits do not necessarily go together, although I am neither. Left wing and authoritarian do not go together either, as the site seems to be implying.

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Taxation is force and having police show up at your house with guns and puting you in a cage bc you didn't pay taxes is authoritarian; it is a form of force and pallas aspecting pluto is for government expanding its power to get what it wants and using force to get what it wants like taxation.

I want to point out that you don't have any pallas conjunctions or oppositions to personal planets; conjunction to sun and mercury been the most important I feel or the ruler of the sun.

posted June 30, 2014 01:21 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Taxation is force and having police show up at your house with guns and puting you in a cage bc you didn't pay taxes is authoritarian; it is a form of force and pallas aspecting pluto is for government expanding its power to get what it wants and using force to get what it wants like taxation.

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Oh dear! this is leading to a political debate. If taxation is force, because non-payment of taxes could lead to fines (imprisonment is not usually the outcome), then all requirements to behave in a civilised manner befiitting society could be classed as force. Even the tea partyers would allow some taxation to pay for police, law, and army. No, taxation is not authoritarian. It is a basic requirement to pay for costs of civil society - you and I would differ only on how much taxation and for what purpose. I would include state education, health, benefits etc. That site opens a can of worms by taking a political stance.

posted June 30, 2014 01:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Oh dear! this is leading to a political debate. If taxation is force, because non-payment of taxes could lead to fines (imprisonment is not usually the outcome), then all requirements to behave in a civilised manner befiitting society could be classed as force. Even the tea partyers would allow some taxation to pay for police, law, and army. No, taxation is not authoritarian. It is a basic requirement to pay for costs of civil society - you and I would differ only on how much taxation and for what purpose. I would include state education, health, benefits etc. That site opens a can of worms by taking a political stance.

I forgot to add that ruler of the Sun is Pluto. So Jupiter, ruler of Pallas is conjunct ruler of Sun, if that counts.

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You dont like the site bc you dont really understand volunteerism, the NAP or anarcho capitalism; there are many types of libertarians some who are paleo conservative like ron paul who just want very limited government and very low taxes but others dont want a government at all and want to replace this system with a decentralized system that is not ran by a monopoly of force such as government. Like in a anarcho capitalist society there would be police, judges and courts but it would be a complete different system all together that is decentralized were people choose how their money is been used and the cost of living is low......its an extremely complex topic to go into, the topic of how a world would operate in such a system which most people dont even think about the possibility of a different system and is specially hard to discuss a topic like this with someone that is already completely in another frame of mind. Its not really worth my time; you are welcome to look into it but I dont think you will but its very easy to fall back on the argument you just gave like most socialist do; the argument that without this system of taxation there would be pure anarchy and chaos....

That is not true and anyone who has study IN DEPTH volynteerism and anarcho capitalism and spend years educating themselves on this topic understand this but I cant possibly have a debate with you on this; you will have to do your own research and keep an open mind if you are ready to see things from a different VERY different angle. If you are not please I just want to focus on the astrology of it. I am not here to convince you of my views. I am not in the politic forum for a reason.. I dont want to persuade anyone.

posted June 30, 2014 05:36 PM            

Pallas trines my NN, Altair, and Saturn. It also quincunxes Mercury.

Funny enough Pandora sits right on the GA, in Sag, and is conjunct my IC,Antares, and POF.

I think for my chart, this means I'm secretly aggressive, but outwardly, I fight hard for what's bothering me internally.

posted July 01, 2014 02:18 AM            

I've never been able to get a solid understanding of Pandora, particularly in synastry. Something about it eludes me. I'll open a new thread over in interpersonal astrology to ask about it.

Here's the thread on Pandora in synastry:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000349.html

posted July 01, 2014 11:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
Oh, the irony. A thread on Pandora led to unintended trouble.

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LOL hahahahaha

posted July 01, 2014 10:17 PM            

Pallas opposite Mercury as per your husband is an extremely strong aspect, probably stronger than Pallas with the Sun with regard to libertarianism. With regard to your own chart, I have no data on Juno but I can say that Pallas responds strongly to minor aspects (novile, septile, etc), declination, and any contacts to the sign rulers of the Sun and Mercury. Contact between the Sun/Mercury to the sign ruler(s) of Pallas also have a similar effect to a direct aspect.

Also, to be thorough I find I have compare the secondary
progressed chart to the natal: progressions involving Pallas will often change a native's ethical outlook. Yes, it can get terribly complicated, but with the sheer number of studies I've done (hundreds of them at zot.net/pallas_liberty.htm) I've found
analyzing Pallas in this way consistently works.

posted July 02, 2014 05:45 PM            

Of course, OF COURSE, my Twin's PANDORA is conjunct my KARMA by 1º. Damn. Poor guy. He's often just barely hanging on in that regard. And I've barely gotten into ANYTHING yet. His head would explode if he knew The Truth.

PARALLEL HIS EROS-PSYCHE-KAALI?

Ohhhh, that poor, poor man.

Of course, this means my PANDORA is conjunct his own 3º, and his PLUTO (2º).

And, for good measure -- SUN/MOON=PANDORA. Because ... why not? (I guess I DO surprise people.)

My PANDORA is parallel his SATURN, which I find intriguing -- as that's what's on his KARMA-SNODE and my MOON. There's a link-up there.

In truth, opening the Pandora's box of our karmic history -- creating a Twin Flame story unawares years ago, then my discovering we're actually Twins ourselves -- does fit. I'm guessing that there will be a major aspect to our cPANDORA when I DO finally tell him the truth. It'll happen. In time. There will already be so much accumulated weird evidence of it, I know he won't outright dismiss it. Even he'll have to question the bizarre coincidences we seem to collect in spades.

So, our cPANDORA is 4º SCO -- I can tell that just from looking at the natal positions. That's on his nPLUTO and my nKARMA. In the composite, it's 12H, but not really making an aspects outside of a sextile to ALMA-JUNO-APHRODITE -- and, I think, a trine to NNODE.

Mildly amused we both have a DW of PANDORA semisextile JUNO-ALMA 1º. Too far to really be much in our own natals -- but in synastry, it's suddenly in orb.

posted July 03, 2014 08:49 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
KARMA conjunct PANDORA (2º)
Ohhhh, yeah. I'm often feeling as if I'm staring at that damnable box, going, ' ... is there MORE? Or are we FINALLY through it now?' A lot of it's pretty crazy, and not all wonderful.

Of course, OF COURSE, my Twin's PANDORA is conjunct my KARMA by 1º. Damn. Poor guy. He's often just barely hanging on in that regard. And I've barely gotten into ANYTHING yet. His head would explode if he knew The Truth.

PARALLEL HIS EROS-PSYCHE-KAALI?

Ohhhh, that poor, poor man.

Of course, this means my PANDORA is conjunct his own 3º, and his PLUTO (2º).

And, for good measure -- SUN/MOON=PANDORA. Because ... why not? (I guess I DO surprise people.)

My PANDORA is parallel his SATURN, which I find intriguing -- as that's what's on his KARMA-SNODE and my MOON. There's a link-up there.

In truth, opening the Pandora's box of our karmic history -- creating a Twin Flame story unawares years ago, then my discovering we're actually Twins ourselves -- does fit. I'm guessing that there will be a major aspect to our cPANDORA when I DO finally tell him the truth. It'll happen. In time. There will already be so much accumulated weird evidence of it, I know he won't outright dismiss it. Even he'll have to question the bizarre coincidences we seem to collect in spades.

So, our cPANDORA is 4º SCO -- I can tell that just from looking at the natal positions. That's on his nPLUTO and my nKARMA. In the composite, it's 12H, but not really making an aspects outside of a sextile to ALMA-JUNO-APHRODITE -- and, I think, a trine to NNODE.

Mildly amused we both have a DW of PANDORA semisextile JUNO-ALMA 1º. Too far to really be much in our own natals -- but in synastry, it's suddenly in orb.

Not sure what to make of the nitty-gritty, but the relationship to karma is very clear.

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Interesting the karma conjunct pandora insight...

What do you think pandora conjunct karma in composite would mean?

My husband's pandora conjuncts exact my saturn and his karma, eros and mercury also conjunct my saturn.

ADD:

In composite our pandora conjuncts karma by 4 orbs.

I would say that karma or saturn conjunct pandora is like opening up a box with a history of karma naively not realizing what you are getting yourself and then all the bad stuff comes out and once out you have to deal with the karma so it finally gets paid off and then only then you get the pandora's gift of hope with this aspect.

posted July 05, 2014 12:17 AM            

I think cPANDORA can ultimately show what might catch the couple off-guard. Hmm. It's not in 5H is it? Aspecting JUNO or the MOON? But in all honesty, it can point to things we're unprepared for. That which we didn't expect.

I'm guessing I've got some heavy SATURN-PANDORA with my Guardian. It seems we've got the darkest karma.

It's SO weird ... it's essential to me I clear it with him
-- but my Twin? It's all about healing rather than balancing. I don't know why. Us healing our individual karma, and then 'sharing the spoils', I guess.

posted July 05, 2014 02:17 AM            

The way you describe the karma with your guardian sounds similar to my husband and I and how you feel about it is how I feel about it too. This really resonates:

"I'm guessing I've got some heavy SATURN-PANDORA with my Guardian. It seems we've got the darkest karma.

It's SO weird ... it's essential to me I clear it with him......It's also about healing, but succeeding where we failed. Or understanding WHY we failed, and learning those lessons -- if we haven't."

What does a guardian composite look like?

posted July 01, 2016 01:04 PM            

Progressed Pandora @ 26 Scorpio is exactly square my progressed sun @ 26 Aqua, 0.09° orb.

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Natal Pallas @ 24 Pisces is just out of reach of my moon.

posted July 01, 2016 02:33 PM            

In Greek mythology, Epimetheus (/ɛpᵻˈmiːθiːəs/; Greek: Ἐπιμηθεύς, which might mean "hindsight", literally "afterthinker") was the brother of Prometheus (traditionally interpreted as "foresight", literally "fore-thinker"), a pair of Titans who "acted as representatives of mankind" (Kerenyi 1951, p 207). They were the sons of Iapetus,[1] who in other contexts was the father of Atlas. While Prometheus is characterized as ingenious and clever, Epimetheus is depicted as foolish.

1810 Epinetheus

Reading on Pandora tells me in the natal chart can symbolize foolish temptation in my opinion. Temptation and curiousity is the same thing in my opinion she was so tempted open that box! that not only does not serve you good but serves everyone else especially to Epinetheus harm and the evil. If someone aspects your Pandora you may victimize them out of temptation of something else but with NON INTENTION. I see her as very foolish possibly bad luck sorry to sound so negative but man if I was her I would watch out!

How that is expressed will tell you by sign and the house it sits in an what aspects it makes. I don't think all asteroids play majorly in the charts unless it is aspecting my transit, someone's planet/angle, the composite planet/angles or if you have prominent Pandora but possibly Saturn can suppress it, it really depends it's complicated.

posted July 01, 2016 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
If someone aspects your Pandora you may victimize them out of temptation of something else but with NON INTENTION. I see her as very foolish possibly bad luck sorry to sound so negative but man if I was her I would watch out!

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In my mind, nobody really victimizes me, because I refuse to be a victim.

And in my mental framework, I cannot unintentionally victimize them; it's their choice whether to be victims or not.