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Ami Anne
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posted July 10, 2014 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Orchus–Death as Teacher

I found a great article and will share it with you, as well as my experiences with Orchus because it conjuncts my Sun. I know an incredible man who has lived through many deaths and has triumphed. He has Orchus conjunct his North Node. He lost two children. He had two children who lived. One has a serious genetic disease but has triumphed and is a top level student and musician.

For me, the person you see before you was shaped by the death of my 21 year old son. I had tried to fit in for most of my life, as most people do. I have always been a way out person, inside. However, I was afraid to show it. I was afraid to have my true voice.

I, also, have Echo conjunct Saturn. Saturn cools what it touches and can make it obsessive. I have been obsessed with finding my voice. So, in this case, I had two aspects which were similar.

One does see Themes as one does charts. One sees one part of the chart intensity another. For me, my son’s death broke me free of my societal chains. I did not care if I was weird. I had a driving passion and that was to matter and to honor my son’s life.

I had given up on Astrology because I thought it was against the Bible. However, after my son died, I surrendered my life to God. I heard a voice at 3 AM tell me to study Astrology. I prayed for three weeks to make sure it was God. Then, I joined Linda-Goodman. com and began to learn Astrology. Six years later, I think my greatest contribution to Astrology is that I will not be dishonest. I will not mitigate an aspect or a chart in order to be popular. I want to bring truth to the world of Astrology which has a lot of politically correct refuse in it, as do all disciplines in this current age.

In doing this, I find my voice. Some people will not like what you say. Some will attack you. Some will love you, which is the great percentage of the case. However, I say all this to say that death was my teacher and death was my guide. I am here now due to the death of my son. This could be called a classic case of Orchus conjunct the Sun.

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PlutoSurvivor
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posted July 14, 2014 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for sharing. I understand how Orchus urged you to pursue astrology and how Echo programmed you to be a bringer of messages. I have it conjunct my ASC exact and it is exact trine to neptune and exact sextile to Echo in my chart. (By exact, I'm referring to within a range of 1 degree orb - I'm not going to calculate the minutes.) and I'm still struggling with this inner death and rebirth theme.

Below is some info I gathered on Orchus and sorry I did not include the original sources for the quotes. What I gathered is what resonates with me personally. This is a very accurate description of my life experience based on Orchus. Hopefully it will allow others to understand its relevance in a chart.

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"Orcus governs accessing and bringing forward the spiritual wealth from the core of one's being"

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"In Roman mythology, Orcus was a god of the underworld, punisher of broken oaths, the god who tormented evildoers in the afterlife. Seems it has something to do with pastlife relationship karma.

If you were badly hurt or betrayed, you might have done that in your past life and now you are just paying off."

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"Mythological Orcus, being similar to the Greek underworld god Hyades, would seem to have a Pluto like character; and in addition, being associated with water. The Roman Orcus is said to be the god of oaths and the punisher of perjurers, apparently an extremist, being either terribly harsh or extremely gentle. I tend to take "punisher of perjurers" as referring to those who are not living or honoring their soul oaths--in essence living a lie. Is Orcus a revealer, challenging or coercing us to get in touch with our deeper soul essence and purpose? Perhaps this is something to consider when exploring Orcus in astrological charts.

From the stellar alignments at the time of its discovery on Feb 19, 2004 Orcus is working with the theme of exploration, of uncovering a blueprint or map that leads to a new picture, a new reality; to emerge from the belief structures and constructs of mind that are merely based upon the convenience of our collective consensus. In doing so, Orcus may force us to confront the fear and loneliness encountered when leaving the apparent safety of our past consensus of reality. Orcus may be helping us to uncover secret paths obscured by the sands of time, perhaps even oaths we made long ago to enter into the depths of unexplored territory, into new realms of consciousness, that lead us to a new law of life--eventually to a law or orientation that is in integrity to Heart. Orcus, although Pluto like, seems to express a quiet profundity, almost unnoticed as it serves us to get in touch with our deeper soul essence and purpose--the oath of the soul."

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PlutoSurvivor
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posted July 14, 2014 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Sabian Symbol of Orchus in my chart has to do with Karmic readjustment and learning life's lessons through tragic events. No wonder I'm here as a Capricorn, most Karmic sign imo, and a sign that is so hard on itself.

As far as the death theme with Orchus, I see it as a death of self, ego self perhaps, and rebirth or reconnection with soul essence.

Although I did not experience death in a physical way of losing a child, I have experienced death of relationships which affected me emotionally in a big way. Especially with close family members.

Orchus, in a mundane sense, is also said to be the "sugar daddy" planet. I have experienced this as well. It shows up when I'm following my soul's path.

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posted July 14, 2014 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic_Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find Orcus interesting, i think its connected with the Killer Whale, "Orcinus Orca" ..

The Moon of Orcus is nearly as big as the planet, "Vanith"

Ceres conjunct Orcus in Cancer in the ninth, my dad had his moon conjunct orcus in Cancer on the ascendant. He died when i was 13 and i developed a dissociative personality ... I think it was from having Ununakali - Nessus on the eastern horizon. So knowing him i think would of nurtured the darker part of myself and his death stopped that from happened which is interesting.

Definitely seems to be connected with Death

I think you can learnt alot about Orcus from studying the Killer Whale haha, fiercest predator of the sea that eats anything it finds ...


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posted March 07, 2016 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VestasLight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I loved this Ami. Thank you. I now include Orcus in all charts/synastry. He is a MAJOR player.

I've been studying Orcus as of late. While I think Orcus does have more meaning than just death (soul path, purpose, oaths to self and others, ect.), there is also hint of the death theme going on with it. It just depends on aspects as to what Orcus is doing natally.

In synastry I am finding that it is very prominent with those who will impact/change you or your life in a significant way. I'm still studying it, but so far it's been consistent.

Back to the death theme: my father committed suicide when I was 13. Orcus in my natal does not reflect this, HOWEVER in synastry my Orcus is conjunct his N.Node. His life path would change me and have a profound affect on my own destiny. It was a "soul oath" between us. (If you believe in that sort of thing.)

Anyhow, I'd found GemBird82's interp for Orcus conj N.Node in synastry and it was spot on for me.

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When someone's orcus conjuncts the other person NN.

I'd say that the Orcus person will take 'the call of life' of the NN person as if it were his/her own battle.

And this person would do everything to help the NN person to reach that goal, even putting some karma upon him/her by removing "undesirable obstacles" from the way. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/003096.html


In my case, my father had dreamed of being an artist, but because of life circumstances it would never be. He was also very 'esoteric'. I've gone on to have a thriving career in an esoteric field as an artist. How cool is that? And yes, his suicide has had a profound and lasting impact on me and in my life.

So, I believe that depending on the aspects to Orcus, it may under certain circumstances indicate death/loss in synastry. MOST of the time however, it is simply indicating that this person is VERY significant and will impact/change you or your life's path. As with most aspects in synastry, I'm finding it can go either way. The Orcus person changes the planet person or the planet person changes the Orcus person. And, if you believe in it, it indicates a serious and binding soul agreement between you that WILL play out.

Edit to add: Orcus has provided me some profound life lessons. I completely agree with Ami's statement that Orcas can be a "great teacher" and brings us major life changing experiences which will transform us to the core.

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posted March 07, 2016 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, I have it conjunct my ASC exactly too, by one minute. I've been looking for information about it for so long, this is awesome!

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posted March 07, 2016 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VestasLight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Selenite:
Hey, I have it conjunct my ASC exactly too, by one minute. I've been looking for information about it for so long, this is awesome!

Hey Selenite, being on the ascendant I'd say that fulfilling your soul's oath to yourself and others is vital to you this time around. You won't be able to run or hide from it. On the asc, I'd say you'd would likely encounter many karmic type relationships and may possibly be key in helping others on their path too. (That's just off the top of my head, but without seeing your chart I'm only guessing.)

What other aspects (tight) does Orcus make. It can sometimes describe life changing events that may occure in your life too.

Since it is in such a prominent position for you, would you want to check your synastry with a few important people. The one's who've had an impact and see if Orcus is active in there? Look for tight (under 3 degrees, but the more near exact the better) conjunctions, oppositions and squares. PS: Conjunction to other people's Orcus don't count because it is SO slow.

I would LOVE to know what you find!!

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posted March 07, 2016 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Vesta!

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posted March 07, 2016 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Selenite:
Hey, I have it conjunct my ASC exactly too, by one minute. I've been looking for information about it for so long, this is awesome!

Thank you, S!

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posted March 07, 2016 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seimei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
do you mean asteroid Orchis catalog number 1080 or asteroid Orcus cat number 90482 or are you referring to some obscure star? Orchus?
You spell neither,Ami!. slap yourself for ME.
HAHA

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