posted July 24, 2014 02:24 PM            

Anyone else has this - if so, what are your experiences with it? Opinions and advice are welcome too.

Thank you kindly!

posted July 29, 2014 05:36 PM            

8th is also karmic, seems like it's more taboo drama than anything else. Lol

But 12th is definitely past but it's past in the way that it is about the patterns that are deeply ingrained in our psyche and our subconscious from not only our childhoods but our past lives also. The places where we learned or came to believe truths about ourselves that are harmful or destructive to us.
If we don't dive into that black hole of that 12th house and pull these things out to face them, they will create our future. If we don't deconstruct them they will go on as is and our beliefs that create our pain and do us in will continue creating pain on into our futures.

posted August 06, 2014 02:12 PM            

This issue is very heavy on me and I have been pondering on it for a long while. I have both Karma and Chiron in the 4th (Chiron is actually ON IC), as well as Destinn on IC from the 3rd.

There is no question that I made the decision pre-birth to incarnate in this country, in this family and to face the issues that I am facing. I will just brush over the very difficult childhood I had, the sexual abuse from my father, the loneliness and hopelessness of those early years - but it seems I have also decided to burn the family karma, to end the vicious circle here, with me.. and I believe I have assumed at least partially some of their karma as well. There is a history of abuse and very disturbing family relationships even before I was born, and it was passed on to me.
These issues are now being brought to the forefront because of my desire to leave my country and this represents a BIG obstacle for me to do that - I have a 9th house Saturn and the ruler of 9th, which happens to also rule the 4th is Venus - unaspected - placed on IC also. I think even an inexperienced astrologer would see this block and that I am "supposed" to stay where I am and not move abroad. It was through meditation, as well as this article that I realized I will never be able to move until I don't burn all this karma and heal these very difficult relationships with my family. Why I would take upon me such a difficult task I do not know.. too much arrogance, perhaps. But it is what it is and I need to do what needs to be done, like it or not.

Funny thing is, Gabby, in my place of choice I also have Karma in the 12th in the relocation chart..

posted August 06, 2014 02:50 PM            

Mother + father - Comp Karma opposite composite Nessus and my natal Venus (ruler of IC)

Father + his father - they have comp Nessus quincunx composite Karma. Composite Karma is square my Moon and my Nodes. Composite Nessus is conjunct my Mercury and Mars (this is the line of violent abuse)

Father + his mother - they have comp Karma conj Saturn and opp composite Nessus. Their composite Karma is conjunct my Saturn and their composite Nessus is conjunct my Mars (another transmitted line of abuse)

Father + his sister - they have composite Karma quincunx composite Nessus exact. Their composite Karma is trine my Sun exact (first SOFT aspect) and their Nessus is widely conj my Venus

Mother + father's sister - first composite without a Karma-Nessus aspect even though they fought like cats and dogs, abuse happens when someone you *invested* emotionally does harm to you - I guess they didn't care much about one another. However, their composite Karma is conjunct Mars (karma of aggression) and conjunct my Ascendant. Their Nessus is also conjunct my Venus (ruler of IC).

Mother + father's mother - no Karma aspect to Nessus. Their composite Karma is conjunct Moon and trine my Sun. Their composite Nessus is conjunct my Mars and opposite my Saturn.

Father's parents - no Karma-Nessus aspect. Composite Karma is widely conj Saturn and conjunct my natal Pluto-Saturn conjunction. Composite Nessus conj my Sun (father - they screwed him up good).

Explains a lot. Funny that my grandparents had a pretty good composite and relationship (until a point, when he became abusive - comp Pluto sq Moon), but they had such traumatic relationships with their children, especially my father, which translated into his difficult marriage to my mom and the even more difficult relationship with his daughter, me.

However..

Me + Father. We don't have Karma-Nessus aspects in the composite and, surprisingly, composite Karma is sextile my own Karma and composite Nessus is sextile my Mercury, pointing towards a possible termination of bad karma through communication.

Me + mother. A wide Karma-Nessus square. Isn't this a surprise? I am, at this point, more willing to forgive my father, the active abuser, than her, the passive abuser. Her not taking action against his abuse felt like a very deep betrayal. My mother has NO Karma-Nessus with any member of my father's family but she has it with me. Fortunately, same as with my composite with my father, makes positive aspects to my chart - composite Karma is sextile my Venus and composite Nessus is, again, sextile my Mercury.

Me + aunt. No Nessus-Karma in the composite. Comp Karma is exactly conj my Sun and trine my Jupiter; comp Nessus is again sextile my Mercury.

Me + grandmother. Another wide Karma-Nessus square. Composite Karma is square my own Karma and trine my Saturn. Composite Nessus is opposite my Uranus and Jupiter. We had a difficult relationship.

Me + grandfather. I left the juiciest part for last. I don't know the first thing about his life, except that he fought in WW1. I don't know anything about his sorrows or pains with his family. But for my little family, the people I had to deal with that constitute family, he is the initiator of abuse, that simply expanded through generations. I am sure that is just subjective and it has been going on for much longer than that.

We don't have Karma-Nessus aspects in composite and we had an apparently positive relationship - if it wasn't for his indirect influence down the abuse path.

-composite Nessus conjunct my Karma
-composite Karma conjunct my DC.

Speak volumes, really.