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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted July 29, 2014 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am wondering if anyone has any knowledge as to whether there are any asteroids that would indicate masonic connection, either familial or personal?

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posted July 29, 2014 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What an Interesting Question!

(and Username!)

Darn, wish I knew.

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posted July 29, 2014 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReeseC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I am wondering if anyone has any knowledge as to whether there are any asteroids that would indicate masonic connection, either familial or personal?

I always thought Kaali and asteroids as such linked people to the Reptillians, Illuminati, Kinights Templar stuff. Not certain, but I read it browsing once.

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posted July 29, 2014 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A combination of Kaali, Lucifer, Hekate, Chiron, Karma, and Neptune aspects.

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posted July 29, 2014 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your responses.

Ali, aren't those the same asteroids used to determine a dark nature or mind control subjects? How then can we differentiate between the two?

I am not convinced that the masonic lodge is inherently "dark". There is darkness in people, people can bring their darkness into any organisation.

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posted July 29, 2014 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you guys afraid of Masons?

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posted July 29, 2014 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cause they really don't look that scary to me.

Maybe if you are worried about losing your place at the golf course or something.

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posted July 29, 2014 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, originally masons were meant to be of the Light, but they now use their power to control and manipulate others.

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posted July 29, 2014 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm pretty sure all the children and family who have dealt with the health issues they fix free of charge at Shriners would not agree with you.

Just saying.

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posted July 29, 2014 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's how they work. They make you think whats bad for you is good. Sinister isnt it?

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posted July 29, 2014 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
None of those asteroids are inherently bad/dark, they are associated with the occult.

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posted July 30, 2014 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ail221:
None of those asteroids are inherently bad/dark, they are associated with the occult.

Thank you for this distinction.

I'm still having trouble narrowing it all down though. I wonder if there are asteroids that represent specific masonic concepts/orders...

Should there be a known familial connection, would it be in the 4th conj. Sun(father) or Moon(mother)? Or if hidden, in the 12th?

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posted July 30, 2014 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The symbol that they use in rings and other tools is apparently made up of the Greek Tetractys and the Kabbalistic Sephiroth (tree of life). No asteroids for these specifically.

I did find Tempel 3808.
However, I'm not convinced of the masonic connection to the Knights Templar - it is hard to find hard evidence. 1 mason has also told me that they are not connected, other than through conspiracy theory.

Looking at the Sephiroth again, there are 10 points in the tree as follows:

Character name - Name - Correspondance
1. Aleph - Kether - Crown
2. Beth - Chokmah - Wisdom
3. Gimel - Binah - Intelligence
4. Daleth - Geburah - Justice
5. He - Chesed - Mercy
6. Vav (or Vau) - Tipareth - Beauty
7. Zayin - Netzach - Firmness
8. Cheth - Hod - Splendor
9. Teth - Yesod - Foundation
10. Yod - Malkuth - Kingdom

* This info is from:
http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/esoteric-masonry-tetragrammaton.html

Should these be found as asteroids and aspect any of the occult asteroids, then I think this might be useful in determining a masonic connection. I have not checked the asteroids however. This could also be done with any other masonic concept that can be reduced to parts.

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posted July 30, 2014 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have abandoned the Sephiroth asteroid search. As the tree is a tree, finding one or two is not satisfactory to me. I believe if it is to be used, then the whole should be in there.

Perhaps there are other known concepts that can be searched?

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posted July 30, 2014 04:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a Solomin (10054)
The trouble with this is that king Solomon also features in christian writings. But apparently the masonic lodge has a ritual involving "building" king Solomon's temple.

Perhaps Ast. Tempel in aspect to Ast. Solomin would complete this concept quite specifically.

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posted July 30, 2014 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To really test this (and any other asteroids) we would need the birth data of known masons - does anyone have this?

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posted July 30, 2014 04:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
That's how they work. They make you think whats bad for you is good. Sinister isnt it?

Athene: do you have a TV? Do you read newspapers and magazines? Are you exposed to billboards? Do you talk to anyone who is exposed to all these "normalities"?

All these things and many other societal "normalities" make you think what's bad for you is good.

This is the world we live in. It is no secret, and too obvious to be sinister anymore.

The outright sexualisation of women and the glamourisation of sexual abuse in the media, and its horrific subsequent effects on our relationships with ourselves and each other - that, is sinister. That is the dark agenda behind media-constructed "beauty".

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posted July 30, 2014 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilunatique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'm a huge conspiracy theorist (currently studying the anunnaki history and how it managed to rule all of us.)
the basic manipulation tools are? Religion/media/information.
For example, why does every show and TV channel present ghosts/spirits as "scary" and "evil"? When clearly spirits don't want us any harm, demons yes, but spirits no. Or they say that they don't exist, which is funny because you are a spirit yourself, energy curently living in this human body. But who wants to see beyond the flesh and matter? No one. You're just a brain and a pile of bones. Are planets also just matter and gas and rocks? Souless floating stuff? Astrologers look beyond that and manage to do magic. :-) They will tell you and tell you that until your brain will believe that spirits don't exist for example and so your vision will get blocked by your own mind. Result? Mass population can't sense spirits. Of course they will feed you "good food" too so you will get more corrupted.
Do you know how much negative energy is in meat? Our ancestors used to say a prayer and thank the hunted animal in order for the animals magnetic field to get cleansed and the negative energy the animal experienced (AND HOLDS INSIDE) - pain, terror, etc to at least, fade. Its been in avatar too.
Do we still do this these days? Nope. We force animals to get fat in tight places and move them around and hit them and hang them on ropes thinking that its just ''an animal,''. Everything is energy in this world, and what energy you're eating nowadays is clearly not OK.
Fish is safer than eating any other animal/type of meat, because its level of consciousness is very low besides others so he doesn't really realize what is happening.
I'll end this rant ( i can talk ages about thissss) with an osho quote, one of my favorites.

"Individuality is given by existence; personality is imposed by the society. Personality is social convenience.
Society cannot tolerate individuality, because individuality will not follow like a sheep. Individuality has the quality of the lion; the lion moves alone. The sheep are always in the crowd, hoping that being in the crowd will feel cozy. Being in the crowd one feels more protected, secure. If somebody attacks, there is every possibility in a crowd to save yourself. But alone? only the lions move alone.
And every one of you is born a lion, but the society goes on conditioning you, programming your mind as a sheep. It gives you a personality, a cozy personality, nice, very convenient, very obedient. Society wants slaves, not people who are absolutely dedicated to freedom. Society wants slaves because all the vested interests want obedience.
Osho One Seed Makes the Whole Earth Green, Chapter 4


I know a a guy which was in a short relationship with my mom and he was a mason. I don't know what degree, he didn't tell my mom anything because she's a female. Most of the masons are male (hence our world mostly ruled by them, oh).
He was very quiet about it. He'd go to events and rituals but never tell what he was doing. He wasn't spiritual at all, alcoholic, believed that we came from monkeys and other crap like that, which is an absolutely parallel approach to life than my moms approach and mine.
I have his exact birth date, time, but I haven't found anything interesting
EDIT2: I did..... )))))))

Some aspects with the masonic/occult asteroids he has

Sun square kaali (quite powerful because his sun is barely aspected)
Moon opposite Lucifer
Mars square tempel
Saturn square solomin
Neptune trine solomin
Pluto sextile solomin
NN/NS square solomin + lucifer
Solomin square karma .
Solomin sextile tempel
Solomin opposite lucifer
Kaali opposite MC
Tempel trine Lucifer
Tempel conjunct Pluto + kaali (???????)
Lucifer trine kaali
Lucifer square Spirit + DNA

Lots of aspects.

EDIT : You said an aspect between ast. Solomin and ast. Tempel would make it and I realized he has

solomin in cancer, 12TH house SEXTILE Tempel which is CONJUNCT kaali and Pluto in 2th Virgo.

Uh..........

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Did you know that Lindaland has a forum for conspiracy theories, mind control and the like?

It's The Spider Line. And you will find much interest in this discussion there.

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posted July 30, 2014 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guess I need to look at some family charts. Masons are hardly scary or conspiratorial. I'm quite proud.

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posted July 31, 2014 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ilunatique:

I'm a huge conspiracy theorist (currently studying the anunnaki history and how it managed to rule all of us.)
the basic manipulation tools are? Religion/media/information.
For example, why does every show and TV channel present ghosts/spirits as "scary" and "evil"? When clearly spirits don't want us any harm, demons yes, but spirits no. Or they say that they don't exist, which is funny because you are a spirit yourself, energy curently living in this human body. But who wants to see beyond the flesh and matter? No one. You're just a brain and a pile of bones. Are planets also just matter and gas and rocks? Souless floating stuff? Astrologers look beyond that and manage to do magic. :-) They will tell you and tell you that until your brain will believe that spirits don't exist for example and so your vision will get blocked by your own mind. Result? Mass population can't sense spirits. Of course they will feed you "good food" too so you will get more corrupted.
Do you know how much negative energy is in meat? Our ancestors used to say a prayer and thank the hunted animal in order for the animals magnetic field to get cleansed and the negative energy the animal experienced (AND HOLDS INSIDE) - pain, terror, etc to at least, fade. Its been in avatar too.
Do we still do this these days? Nope. We force animals to get fat in tight places and move them around and hit them and hang them on ropes thinking that its just ''an animal,''. Everything is energy in this world, and what energy you're eating nowadays is clearly not OK.
Fish is safer than eating any other animal/type of meat, because its level of consciousness is very low besides others so he doesn't really realize what is happening.
I'll end this rant ( i can talk ages about thissss) with an osho quote, one of my favorites.

"Individuality is given by existence; personality is imposed by the society. Personality is social convenience.
Society cannot tolerate individuality, because individuality will not follow like a sheep. Individuality has the quality of the lion; the lion moves alone. The sheep are always in the crowd, hoping that being in the crowd will feel cozy. Being in the crowd one feels more protected, secure. If somebody attacks, there is every possibility in a crowd to save yourself. But alone? only the lions move alone.
And every one of you is born a lion, but the society goes on conditioning you, programming your mind as a sheep. It gives you a personality, a cozy personality, nice, very convenient, very obedient. Society wants slaves, not people who are absolutely dedicated to freedom. Society wants slaves because all the vested interests want obedience.
Osho One Seed Makes the Whole Earth Green, Chapter 4


I know a a guy which was in a short relationship with my mom and he was a mason. I don't know what degree, he didn't tell my mom anything because she's a female. Most of the masons are male (hence our world mostly ruled by them, oh).
He was very quiet about it. He'd go to events and rituals but never tell what he was doing. He wasn't spiritual at all, alcoholic, believed that we came from monkeys and other crap like that, which is an absolutely parallel approach to life than my moms approach and mine.
I have his exact birth date, time, but I haven't found anything interesting
EDIT2: I did..... )))))))

Some aspects with the masonic/occult asteroids he has

Sun square kaali (quite powerful because his sun is barely aspected)
Moon opposite Lucifer
Mars square tempel
Saturn square solomin
Neptune trine solomin
Pluto sextile solomin
NN/NS square solomin + lucifer
Solomin square karma .
Solomin sextile tempel
Solomin opposite lucifer
Kaali opposite MC
Tempel trine Lucifer
Tempel conjunct Pluto + kaali (???????)
Lucifer trine kaali
Lucifer square Spirit + DNA

Lots of aspects.

[b]EDIT : You said an aspect between ast. Solomin and ast. Tempel would make it and I realized he has

solomin in cancer, 12TH house SEXTILE Tempel which is CONJUNCT kaali and Pluto in 2th Virgo.

Uh..........[/B]


Thank you for sharing that info.
Please note though that I am speculating about which aspects would include this, hence asking for assistance on this thread.

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posted July 31, 2014 04:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Guess I need to look at some family charts. Masons are hardly scary or conspiratorial. I'm quite proud.

I agree.
There are aspects that are unseen however. I know of the wife of a mason who is kept in the dark RE some of the rituals and dialogues.

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posted July 31, 2014 04:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Astro keen:
Did you know that Lindaland has a forum for conspiracy theories, mind control and the like?

It's The Spider Line. And you will find much interest in this discussion there.


I haven't seen any evidence to indicate that the masonic order is either based on conspiracy (it seems more to be a christian brotherhood, with business advantages, and with occult aspects), nor that it involves mind control.

Realistically, most everyone is a victim of some level of mind control. I sat in a cinema hall with many mind-controlled people last night. To have your mind controlled, you only have to be ignorant to the influences on your behaviour, such as "benign" forms of "socialising" that involve heavy doses of media. Most are.

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posted July 31, 2014 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good topic, but we should discuss this in the Spider Line. The maximum condemnation for Freemasonry on the internet comes from people who find nothing wrong in the Old Testament where the "God of Moses" drowns humanity, kills Egyptian Firstborns and later condemns hundreds of thousands of people to torturous death and pillage. Infants and Pregnant women included.

Freemasons did not burn witches, did not brutally slaughter like the Romans or the Vatican, did not sack cities like Mongols or Turks, did not stone women to death. Maybe some of them they do dark rituals at the highest level. Maybe some of them they sell their Soul to the "devil" to become big shot celebrities but they certainly do not behave like Barbarians. They built America and sought independence for Humanity against the
Royals as well as the Church. That cannot be a bad thing.

Freemasonry started off for a noble purpose but like all movements, corruption sets in, infiltration occurs, worldly power/control is sought and so on. Thus, you will have both polarities in modern Masons.
Maybe at the 33rd degree, Mason can choose the polarity and either become a Master White Magician like the fictional Gandalf or a Master Black Magician like the fictional Voldemort.

I think their charts will have very strong ISIS-OSIRIS-HORUS aspects.

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posted July 31, 2014 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ, thank you for sharing.
By all means move this to The Spider Line, but it was intended as an asteroid discussion.

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