posted August 04, 2014 11:37 PM            

Painful lessons happen with transits involving chiron and pluto at cap around 9 degrees for me. I have pallas in cap at 7 49 degrees and my pallas is at the apex of a thor's hammer and pallas conjucts fix star facies. My pallas is in the first towards the end of my first house and my second is ruled by saturn in scorpio.

Transits that conjunct my pallas and simultaneously have a transit opposing my pallas at the beginning of my 8th are bad news (this is the MP of the legs of the Thor's Hammer).

1. May 1 2002: Transit chiron is hitting my pallas and transit jupiter is opposing this entering my 8th.

2. Nov 5 2013: Transit pluto is hitting my pallas and transit lachesis is opposing this at the beginning of my 8th; transit jupiter and BML were also transiting my 8th.

This day Husband has Transit chaos conjuncting his second cusp approaching his natal psyche and transit pholus conjuncting his 8th and his neptune in the 8th which inconjuncts chiron.

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It seems transits to the apex of my Thor's hammer and the midpoint between the legs of my Thor's hammer are bad news.

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SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS:

1. Have you noticed transits to your Thor's hammer apex by conjunction or opposition to be very karmic or painful and or very challenging???

2. Is there a key to dealing with this pattern? Should I look at my pallas trine chaos for the answer? or is this just karma you need to experience so you can pay your debt?

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Thousand words, I can hear but I can't be
Caught in a dream, I can feel but I can't leave
I'm a walking disaster, a broken machine
And I know that none of it matters, as long as I'm inside this dream with you

posted August 05, 2014 10:24 AM            

Square Yod or Thor's Hammer – What's in a Name?

©Sally V Fisher 2011

When I first discovered that Solar Fire had included the formations identified in an
article I wrote for The Astrological Quarterly I was pleased to think that more
members of the astrological community would become aware of this work. In due
course I received a copy of the software, looked at all the additional formations
listed, and quickly realised that the Solar Fire team had included not only "our"
formations (as published in the article) but also formations from work published by
the Hubers. The one that leapt out at me was a form that Linda and I had
provisionally named the "Square Yod" and the Hubers called "Thor's Hammer" The
Hubers' name, which seems to be the one most used at present, just didn't seem to
fit the way Linda and I had been interpreting the formation.

Why does the name of the pattern matter?
As time has passed it has seemed more and more that other astrologers have built their interpretation on the name of the formation rather than really studying for themselves the way it operates. Some of them have actually focused on the alternative name "God's Fist"! This matters because the differing names have actually stemmed from two completely different ways of interpreting charts - one which I would call "holistic" and the other "analytic". Put very simply, the holistic chart view sees all the planets, points and patterns as tending to pull together to make a coherent whole, while the analytic view separates out the aspects and patterns and analyses them individually before trying to stitch them all back together into a single interpretation for the client/querent.

I said in the articles published in The Astrological Quarterly that Linda and I were
developing a new way of seeing charts - as overall patterns rather than collections of
aspects. Part of this new vision involved seeing patterns as members of groups or
families, rather than stand-alone entities.

So, in the view of Linda and me, the symmetrical three and four point patterns
effectively fall into one of three families

- Triangles, Squares and Trapezoids (or
Keystones). More complex patterns that we have found are built from these three
families. The three families could be said to have differing functions:

Triangles focus energy to create opportunities or openings. The exception is the Grand Trine which produces no individual focus, but instead shows a flow of energy around the signs/planets involved.

Squares indicate friction between the signs/planets, generally showing problems that need solving, although they can also cause instability or sudden activity in extreme cases

Trapezoids fix the energy into a stable or "holding" pattern which is often at the
core of the horoscope.

When you view the Square Yod/Thor's Hammer in this way there are two possible
families it could belong to - the Triangles and the Squares. If you consider it to be Thor's Hammer, the way its action is described by the Hubers, this makes it a distorted or foreshortened T-Square and it takes its place with T-Square and Grand Cross in the "Square" family.

Viewed as the Square Yod it becomes part of the "equal-side" triangle formations, which begin with the "Sliver" or "Quindecile" Yod, and gradually develop (as the equal-side aspects get closer/shorter) through the "True" Yod, then the Quintile and Square Yods to culminate in the Grand Trine. However, since each chart represents only one particular moment in time no astrological formation is entirely static; as the planets move around the skies one pattern flows into another.

So, when determining which family to put a particular formation into it is necessary
to consider what it might develop into in the next few hours or possibly days, given
the relative speed and direction of travel of the specific planets involved.
In the case of the Square Yod, that means first considering whether the Apex planet
is moving faster or slower than the two square planets, and whether it is direct or
retrograde, and then applying the same test to each of the planets forming the
square base. In the majority of outcomes no specific symmetrical figure is formed,
but where it can be tested - say with the Moon or Mercury, either direct or
retrograde, being involved then the next figure formed will be either a True Yod or a
Grand Trine. The only way a T-Square could be formed would be with the Moon at
the apex and a retrograde Mercury or Venus holding either or both of the "square"
points of the base, and in this case it would be, by definition, a comparatively weak
and transient pattern.

posted August 06, 2014 01:59 AM            

Moving to Asteroid Astrology

posted August 06, 2014 05:09 AM            

Mars rules the 4th house (where Chiron sits) and falls into Sagittarius in 12th house, conjunct ASC (ASC is not part of the Hammer anymore though).

Of course that means that Mars is on the Chiron/Vertex and Chiron/Eros-mp.

As for transits to Mars, hmm let`s see.

Tr Jupiter opposite Mars:
august and october 1988; april 1989

Tr NN conjunct Mars:
september 1993

Tr Jupiter conj. Mars
january 1995

pr Moon conj. Mars
may 1996

Tr Pluto conj. Mars
january, april 1997

Tr Jupiter opp Mars
july, december 2000; march 2001

Tr Saturn opp. Mars
may 2001

Tr SN conj. Mars
febr 2003

Tr Jup conj Mars
dec 2006

sa Uranus conj. Mars
february 2008

pr Moon opp Mars
january 2011

Tr NN conj. Mars
may 2012

posted August 06, 2014 09:39 AM            

LE square Mars exact
August 1988
(interestingly the square comes up)

in may 1988 I first fell "in love". It was unrequited, but made for an interesting summer. lol
A lot of socializing. Also had that dream a few months before (the explosion of Neptune) that made me start with astrology. The dream is still SO vivid in my mind, 26 years later. lol

That august Tr Jupiter was also opposing Mars, and yes it was fun, mixed with a little heartache, but more fun than heartache.

When Tr Jupiter was opposite Mars in april 1989, there was NO fun at all though. as this was the month my paternal grandfather died.
And the second time I "heard" death, or a soul leaving this realm. We weren´t at home, but on a fair, and at about 6 p.m. I suddenly "heard" a door being closed in the back of my mind and suddenly the bells started ringing. And that is when I knew he had died. Later on it turned out he really chose to leave this earthly realm at exact that time.

I suppose Mars as the apex planet, ruling 4th house and sitting in 12th, conjunct Neptune on the ASC will do that to you.

LE opposite Mars (2 degrees though, but that put it on my DESC exact)
december 1993

september 1993 Tr NN was conjunct Mars exact

VERY important time. I went on a classtrip to Ireland. BTW the asteroid IRELAND is conjunct my Mars EXACT (0°06)

It felt like coming home. I mean that for real. I also have been approached by a lot of people in Gaelic (and though I couldn`t quite understand it consciously, there was this feeling as deep inside I actually "knew" the language, if I could only dig deep enough to reach that knowledge! Actually my friend is half Irish, and once after I had been scribbling something on a notebook, but for some reason stopped doing in the middle of it, she remarked that I coincidentally had been writing a GAelic word. lol It was actually the Gaelic word for "Sprout/ Seed" and I had scribbled it onto some sort of a manuscript of a play/ musical I had written based on an idea/ short story I had noted down when I was just a kid. lol)

However on the way back from Ireland we were in a nasty storm, that nearly sank the ferry I was on. Well apparently we made it safely across the Irish sea, and I had made a pact with myself by then, that I would from now on stay "realistic" and stop "living on dreams". Well, sometimes I am plain stupid. But stubborn.

!LE conjunct Mars (1,5 degrees)
may 1994"
In june 1994 I had my final exam in school.

"LE conjunct Mars (0°06 )
may 2002"
Precisley on my Ireland. 0°00 orb.

In february that year I was in Paris for the first time in my life, meeting people I only knew over the internet, who then introduced me to a musical actor, I hadn´t sort of become a fan of the year before. Jerome Pradon. Judas in the new film of "Jesus Christ Superstar" - that enthusiasm blindsided me the year before. Made me google him, I stumbled into that internet-society and made my home there for the next 2 or 3 years.

It was quite a crazy time for me, a crazy thing to do. And then we met up for a show called "Delit D`Ivresse". HOw apt! LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOtfFbH1n-Q
(from the JCS film)

Funny how that film, that infatuation that got a hold on me in 2001, then led to me returning back to my beloved musical theatre, leading me to meet Mr Sag, and coincidentally seeing him in that EXACT same musical, Jesus Christ Superstar, he played Jesus though. And much better I might add.

It almost feels like "orchestrated" from somewhere someone.

Anyway march 2002 I then met an old crush of mine, musical actor. Never had spoken to him before, but somehow having met Jerome Pradon the month before, I was thinking: why the heck not?
(only 3 actors I met this way, Jerome Pradon, that old musical crush of mine, and Mr Sag years later, I am so not the typical stage-door-fan
oh wait some years before a friend made me meet someone else this way, but it does not count I was 15. )

However as great as the year began, it took a horrible turn, as in the beginning of april 2002 my friend`s boyfriend died in a motorcycle accident. It was awful, and I couldn´t process it for a long time, it made me withdraw into my shell very quickly again, as what i subconsciously learned from that was that if you risk caring for someone or liking them, they are being taken away from you anyway, so better do not let anyone that close.

LE square Mars exact
august 2007

LE opposite Mars (almost 2 degrees, but exact on the DESC)
28th november 2012

LE conj. Mars exact
may 2013

SE conj Mars wide (over 2 degrees)
november 2011

posted August 06, 2014 10:23 AM            

It seems that transits to your apex or opposing your apex have been a mix of good and bad.

posted August 06, 2014 10:47 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, it seems I react strongly to lunar ecclipses Interesting. Did not know before.

And yes, good and bad, always significant, but to be honest in most cases it led to something good eventually.

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Like a blessing in disguise....

posted August 06, 2014 10:59 AM            

A shock to the system, but SOOOO positive.

Sa Uranus conjunct Mars
THAT was the exact month I saw Mr Sag on that concert, which led to us meeting 2 months later, and boy THAT was Uranian!
At the time of meeting Tr Jupiter was conjunct my Sun/(Moon-mp and Avx, and thus falling onto one of the "square-points".

What REALLY Surprised me was to see that in 2001 Tr Saturn was opposing that Mars, cause it was such a jolly, carefree, happy feeling, a feeling almost like "falling in love", a new life beginning, with al the freshness associated with that.

You would NOT expect Tr Saturn playing a role in THAT

posted August 08, 2014 01:53 AM            

I have a TH with my Moon and Mars square and Saturn at the apex.

Around Oct. 2008 t.Uranus was smack on my TH apex (Saturn) . This is when my "life" as I knew it changed for good.

My Mom decided to divorce my step dad and we packed and left (very quickly) and ended up living with my grandma for sometime. Things were definitely rough and completely out of my comfort zone since I was just entering the 8th grade then. I mostly grew up in a stable environment and then all of a sudden, things were changing left and right and it's kind of been the same way since with some times of stability and the next, abrupt change. Although we did have our own place for 2 years, things have yet to become %100 stable since there's always something that comes in the way.

I honestly think that that transit is what activated everything in my life to further shape the manifestation of natal Moon/Uranus in my life (if this makes sense) probably other natal aspects too but I notice this one the most now. Like before, everything was secure with my home and relationship with my mom (Moon), but after that transit to my apex the common traits of a Moon/Uranus individual have become more pronounced as I've gotten older since from that moment my sense of "home" was suddenly taken away (i.e. restless/quick to get adjusted to change/not as attached to things).

posted August 08, 2014 11:36 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Chiemi:
It's weird because without even looking at the chart yet, I KNEW that I had to have some big transit on my TH during a major chapter in my life. I meant to reply to this sooner, but...

I have a TH with my Moon and Mars square and Saturn at the apex.

Around Oct. 2008 t.Uranus was smack on my TH apex (Saturn) . This is when my "life" as I knew it changed for good.

My Mom decided to divorce my step dad and we packed and left (very quickly) and ended up living with my grandma for sometime. Things were definitely rough and completely out of my comfort zone since I was just entering the 8th grade then. I mostly grew up in a stable environment and then all of a sudden, things were changing left and right and it's kind of been the same way since with some times of stability and the next, abrupt change. Although we did have our own place for 2 years, things have yet to become %100 stable since there's always something that comes in the way.

I honestly think that that transit is what activated everything in my life to further shape the manifestation of natal Moon/Uranus in my life (if this makes sense) probably other natal aspects too but I notice this one the most now. Like before, everything was secure with my home and relationship with my mom (Moon), but after that transit to my apex the common traits of a Moon/Uranus individual have become more pronounced as I've gotten older since from that moment my sense of "home" was suddenly taken away (i.e. restless/quick to get adjusted to change/not as attached to things).

I don't regret these experiences though, they taught me and shaped me into being strong and knowing that tough moments in life never last long.

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Very interesting, really enjoyed reading your insight and how you connected it to your moon/uranus aspect becoming more pronounced in your life but in a positive way.

posted August 08, 2014 11:45 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Chiemi:
It's weird because without even looking at the chart yet, I KNEW that I had to have some big transit on my TH during a major chapter in my life. I meant to reply to this sooner, but...

I have a TH with my Moon and Mars square and Saturn at the apex.

Around Oct. 2008 t.Uranus was smack on my TH apex (Saturn) . This is when my "life" as I knew it changed for good.

My Mom decided to divorce my step dad and we packed and left (very quickly) and ended up living with my grandma for sometime. Things were definitely rough and completely out of my comfort zone since I was just entering the 8th grade then. I mostly grew up in a stable environment and then all of a sudden, things were changing left and right and it's kind of been the same way since with some times of stability and the next, abrupt change. Although we did have our own place for 2 years, things have yet to become %100 stable since there's always something that comes in the way.

I honestly think that that transit is what activated everything in my life to further shape the manifestation of natal Moon/Uranus in my life (if this makes sense) probably other natal aspects too but I notice this one the most now. Like before, everything was secure with my home and relationship with my mom (Moon), but after that transit to my apex the common traits of a Moon/Uranus individual have become more pronounced as I've gotten older since from that moment my sense of "home" was suddenly taken away (i.e. restless/quick to get adjusted to change/not as attached to things).

I don't regret these experiences though, they taught me and shaped me into being strong and knowing that tough moments in life never last long.

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Yes Maybe other transits were at play, I imagine you have checked all love asteroids and centaurs. What does your saturn rule in your chart?