posted August 07, 2014 06:03 AM            

Here I would like to know if anyone has Black Moon Lilith conjunct any planets, especially it's conjunct their SUN or MOON.

(ONLY CONJUNCTION MATTERS)

I have a theory - I have seen personally in many charts that BML conjunct the SUN means that your mother doesn't like to see your father in you. This is one of the most accurate things I have personally seen in the natal charts of people I know, and even my clients.

Here is my thoughts on BML conjunct some planets: http://miapluto.wix.com/astrology#!black-moon-lilith/c1ocp

Sun: Your mother may not like something about your father for some reason. She does not like seeing your father in you. This can be difficult to deal with because Sun is one of the most important thing about you and it can affect you greatly. You may have lack of self-confidence because of it.

Ascendant: Your mother may not like something about your personality or looks. She may criticize you a lot. This is also difficult to deal with and is another factor to make you feel self-conscious and negative.

Moon: In this case, your mother does not like something about her own self. She may not have wanted you to be like her. Maybe she is self-insecure for some reason and hates seeing herself in you.

Venus: If you are a female, your mother may not like your feminity, your taste in things (clothing/food/humour/partners/etc) and she may discourage you from socializing or being comfortable/having too much luxury. If you are a male, your mother may not like your choice in women, your taste in things in general and/or your sensitive side. Perhaps when you were little, your mother did not get you/buy you things you wanted.

Mars: If you are a male, your mother may not like your masculinity, your self-expression and drive. She may discourage/un-motivate you or underestimate you. If you are a girl, your mother perhaps does not like your choice in men, your sexuality and discourage/underestimate you too.

Jupiter: This can mean that your mother does not like your teachers, the people who have authority over you. She may disagree with your beliefs or faith in things.

Saturn: Again, your mother may hate both your father and/or the authority figures in your life. She may not let anyone harm you, she may be too soft on you, protecting you from harsh people or important lessons in life. She might be extremely afraid to see you grow old or of your death.

Uranus: Your mother may not agree with you being different/being rebellious or your uniqueness. She may inhibit your freedom to do things and wants you to be more traditional perhaps.

Neptune: Your mother may not like your weakness, and you giving up on things too easily. She may not agree with your spirituality or view on life/people. She may want you to be more realistic.

Pluto: Your mother may have neglected you. She may bring feelings of rage/anger/helplessness in you that puts you in a really dark mood. This may show that your mother may not love you so much maybe (sorry).

Juno: Your mother may not agree with the kind of partner you chose/will choose in your life.

*Remember that the Black Moon Lilith in your chart should not in any way bring your self-esteem down. Your mother or mother figure in life may probably dislikes these particular things about you without logical thinking, since it is the nature of the BML. If you have a prominent BML in your birth chart, that does not necessarily mean that your mother does not love you.

*These aspects only apply for conjunctions and nothing else.

If you do have these conjunctions, let me know your experience. I could be wrong about the other planets so I would like to know about your experience with it.

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posted August 07, 2014 08:39 AM            

I'd still like to know how your theory handles my lack of BML aspects to planets, or cusps.

I could be an outlier, I suppose, but considering this problem may help develop your theory.

posted August 07, 2014 08:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
So you say, if someone does not agree with your findings, they should not bother to answer?
Why asking the question in the first place if you will only accept what you want to hear?

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posted August 07, 2014 08:55 AM            

Thanks for trying to help me with my new theory. I think that the BML in your chart does not really do anything. I can't really say more than that because I don't know. But you could try looking at the sign in which it is and then its ruler. Do you feel something about that planet and the BML?

Let me know. x

posted August 07, 2014 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
@voix_de_la_mer

Thanks for trying to help me with my new theory. I think that the BML in your chart does not really do anything. I can't really say more than that because I don't know. But you could try looking at the sign in which it is and then its ruler. Do you feel something about that planet and the BML?

Let me know. x

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BML in Sagittarius, so ruler = Jupiter.

Natally:

Jupiter in the 1st house,
sq. Mercury (7')
quin. Venus (1')
sq. MC (6')

There still doesn't appear to be a whole lot going on TBH.

And for an asteroid, are we perhaps stretching things a bit, moving to rulerships? - I say this only because asteroid research is realistically, in its infancy.

With regards your aspect interpretations, I have many of these issues with my mother,
hence I was expecting this to show in my natal BML.

posted August 07, 2014 09:50 AM            

Of you don't believe in it, why would you bother anyways?

x

posted August 07, 2014 09:53 AM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
You can't realistically post on a open forum and expect people to completely agree with your opinions especially if you don't have the evidence/data to support it. Accept that people have differing opinions and move on. There's no need to be childish and keep posting threads in order to exclude people.

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I didn't post this thread to make people agree with it, it's for experimenting as you can see.

posted August 07, 2014 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Hi again Mia,

I'd still like to know how your theory handles my lack of BML aspects to planets, or cusps.

I could be an outlier, I suppose, but considering this problem may help develop your theory.

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In my limited experience, the outliers are those who have SUN or MOON conjunct BML.

In a skewed sampling of 100 charts, (60 male, 40 female), only 7 had BML conjunct a luminary, maximum orb 3°. (Under 2°, it was only 2 -- one man, and one woman, mid-thirties.)

Those which fell most consistently on the curve had AMOR (1221) conjunct BML (+/- 4°30). Next, conjunction to MARS, and JUPITER.

Again, it's NOT a random sampling by any stretch. These are my personal database charts; and only the top 100. There's a collection bias.

posted August 08, 2014 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Indigo I have a grand trine with BM Lilith, saggy sun/Merc@3-4, aries BM@3, leo Saturn@3, any thoughts on it's meaning? If you add in my libra Karma@5 it's a kite....what do you think?
She doesn't make any negative aspects except the oppositions to karma.

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posted August 08, 2014 11:50 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Wow, Gabby! Grand Fire Trines are wonderful; there's a natural creative energy with which they imbue you. Which houses?

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