posted August 16, 2014 01:25 PM            

Upon reading the article I get the sense that although prominent themes of Nessus are very much indeed rape, abuse, murder I feel that it can express itself in more subtle destructive ways natally and in synastry.

For example nessus aspects in synastry can mean someone who drains you psychically. Perhaps when you fight with this person you feel drained and like they are trying to dominate you. It can represent power struggles that lead to low vitality and feeling dis-empowered.

I feel feeling disempowered, low on vitality and motivation are symptoms of depression so I think there MAY BE possibly a link with nessus and depression (I am just putting this possibility out there).

What do you guys think?

Here is the article:

Sunday, March 1, 2009
Nessus: Wounded Eros
In addition to the traditional planets, the discipline of astrology takes note of many other planetary bodies, including asteroids and centaurs—the latter of which are named for the half-horse, half-human creatures of mythology. As planetary bodies, the centaurs move in long, dis-orderly orbits around the sun. Wikipedia describes how “many [within] the astrological community approach [the centaurs] with less dignity than the celestial bodies now considered planets,” then adds that “many astrologers believe the centaurs are of major astrological significance, recognizing one or more as rulers of Zodiac signs” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centaur; March 1, 2009).

I grant the centaurs much significance, and I respect their profound teachings on human nature. Nessus is the third discovered centaur and is associated with intergenerational wounds, karma, and sexual abuse. It has been described thusly: “Nessus represents primitive, unrestrained energy which can destroy without thinking and thus is destroyed by the same energy it seeks to dominate. This asteroid is also implicated in ancestral sin or the violation of one family member by another... Often the problems implicating Nessus are generational in span and duration” (http://www.mysticmarguerite.com/WebDocs/Texts/Asteroids.html; March 1, 2009).

Eric Francis writes that “Nessus is a Centaur planet that assists with identifying and healing of abuse patterns. But on another level, it reveals the complex interplay of causes and effects; of stated motives, underlying motives and of outcomes. While it can address cycles of karma, the most poignant key concept comes from Melanie Reinhart: the buck stops here, indicating that it in some situations it speaks to the conclusion of the karmic cycle involved: the truth revealed, the perpetrator caught, the situation resolved, responsibility taken” (http://www.planetwaves.net/smallworlds/contents/planets/nessus.html; March 1, 2009).

We can learn something also from the mythology of which Nessus gains its name. As one version of this myth has it, Nessus was killed by Hercules when Hercules discovered him about to rape his wife. And, as if the rape and his own death weren’t dark enough, in an act of betrayal toward Heracules’ wife, Nessus then kills Hercules-- after his own death!-- with his poisoned blood.

We see themes of rape, betrayal, damage after death (and therefore between generations), domination, and love. At the time of its discovery Nessus was in the sign of Scorpio, a sign associated with the deeply psychological, dark, taboo, and sexual aspects of life. Scorpio, in turn, is associated with the 8th house of astrology, which carries these Scorpion themes as well as that of contracts, agreements, and the use of others’ resources for one’s own gain. Nessus may have something to do with the ways in which the energy of one person is extorted and violated by another—and I believe it’s the fundamental energy of Eros that we’re talking about here. In fact, Nessus was square Eros at the time of its discovery (the square being an uncomfortable aspect between two energies that are related in ways that require a “working through”).

Reflecting on this mythology, the centaur’s discovery-location within Scorpio and square Eros, and its place within natal charts, I have come to wonder about Nessus as an expression of the way Eros has been wounded, diminished, and even raped—in our world and in our individual lives. Sexual abuse is the most obvious way in which this wounding can happen. But we are talking about life energy; and forms of psychological abuse, neglect, as well as the simple task of growing into a world where certain aspects of human nature are disallowed can also lead to a wounding, or disruption, of Eros. It should come as no surprise that this energy is wounded within our culture. And I even wonder if it may be human nature, regardless of culture, that Eros is disturbed in some way.

In other words, Nessus may represent the specific form of the challenge to Eros, which each of us suffers—a challenge to that energy that speaks of love, vitality, and our place in the Unity that sources our world.

For those who practice astrology, the location of Nessus in your chart (see below) may point to the ways in which Eros has been diminished for you, within your lifetime and/or across generations. It may help you to ponder the following questions: What gets in the way of my vitality? Where has my energy been diminished? Or what is left out within my way of relating to the world? To others? To myself? Nessus in Gemini might indicate a split between mind and body that diminishes Eros. Nessus in Taurus might point to a wounding of one’s feminine connection with matter (presenting as an eating disorder) or a heavy connection with matter and the things of the world, manifesting as depression felt deep within the body. Of course, the house it is located in and its aspects will also reveal something of the nature of what I am conceptualizing as a wound to Eros. And we do not need to know astrology to ask such questions.

As is always the case, our wounds also hold within them the potential to transform, grow, and in this case, reconnect with Eros--- with that life forces that animates life and makes it worth living. As Francis indicates, quoting Reinhart, it is about the cycle of abuse, diminishment, or wound to Eros stopping. And the way to do this is with awareness. It is in this way that Nessus points us in the direction of the shadows in need of light, and through that, toward what we need to heal from a legacy of diminished love.
http://sarah-truthrevealed.blogspot.com/2009/03/nessus-wounded-eros.html

posted August 16, 2014 03:13 PM            

Honestly I don’t know how to make a “good guy” out of a “bad guy” — how to redeem Nessus. Because, to me, someone who attacks is simply not going to be sympathetic. So we have to… decide who WE ARE in this myth. Are we the bad guy? Are we the victim? Are we both? It’s a complex story. Maybe we are Heracles in this story, the savior who gets burned in the end. Even though this heavenly body was named Nessus, we must confront the whole story’s web.

Where you have Nessus is where you were raped. And yes I know that’s a trigger word and trigger issue and I am using it as a metaphor here (or not, depending on your story). Where you have Nessus is where something was TAKEN from you, against your will (or the attempt was made). And lies were told. Lies. Maybe you survived. You got free. But then came the lies.

posted August 16, 2014 03:46 PM            

So I have a grand trine between heracles, nessus and my chart ruler conjunction Jupiter/Uranus in the 12th.

posted August 17, 2014 01:38 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
In other words, Nessus may represent the specific form of the challenge to Eros, which each of us suffers—a challenge to that energy that speaks of love, vitality, and our place in the Unity that sources our world.

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Brilliant, Amelia. Yes, I agree entirely.

I've just officially launched my initiative yesterday; a call for serious research into outlier sexuality -- which I feel NESSUS embodies to a T.

We've seen the perversion of sexuality over time -- by culture, by prejudice, by religion, personal history and background -- to the point where it's obvious from where all of this abuse and these horrors stem.

It's also hardly coincidental that no serial killers have had a healthy sexual portrait. Not one. They've ALL been outliers! Trouble is, there's not enough money to fund such studied before they get into the penal system -- so they're never done. Simple and tragic as that.

My partner and I were initially flummoxed as to what makes a sexually anorexic schizoid become a lust killer; WHAT is the trigger for erotophonophilia? It's hardly innate. Nobody starts out having to get their rocks off via murder.

It seems that so many have forgotten Wilde's cutting observation. Freud was right (on that bit). Everything, to a degree, is about sex -- EXCEPT sex. It's about POWER.

NESSUS, to me, is the perfect illustration of that very concept. I wonder, if it might be tied into the Eros-Thanatos Complex. Or if I should stick with HADES on that one. Or REQUIEM? ORPHEUS?

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posted August 17, 2014 07:02 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

It seems that so many have forgotten Wilde's cutting observation. Freud was right (on that bit). Everything, to a degree, is about sex -- EXCEPT sex. It's about POWER.

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Wow yeah it really is, isn't it?

Even when consensual is still about power but power that you give up/relinquish/surrender for love and pleasure that when used right can lead to kundalini rise via tantric sex which increases your vitality and aligns your energy field as opposed to the opposite which happens when this power is misused.

posted August 17, 2014 07:44 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

My partner and I were initially flummoxed as to what makes a sexually anorexic schizoid become a lust killer; WHAT is the trigger for erotophonophilia? It's hardly innate. Nobody starts out having to get their rocks off via murder.

It seems that so many have forgotten Wilde's cutting observation. Freud was right (on that bit). Everything, to a degree, is about sex -- EXCEPT sex. It's about POWER.

NESSUS, to me, is the perfect illustration of that very concept. I wonder, if it might be tied into the Eros-Thanatos Complex. Or if I should stick with HADES on that one. Or REQUIEM? ORPHEUS?

What do you think?

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Wow...so you have noticed a correlation between schizoid personality disorders who are sexually anorexic and lust killers? That is a great idea for research; I love how your mind works and admire all your skills, experience, and knowledge about conducting research and how you try to connect psychological findings associated to abnormal behavior to astrology as effectively as possible. I can learn a lot from you.

I can definitely see how Nessus can be tied to Eros-Thanatos complex. I could see how Nessus can be the result of a dysfunctional relationship dynamic between Eros and Thanatos forces/energy.

I need to learn more about Requiem, Orpheus and Hades before I give you my personal input on it.

posted August 19, 2014 06:56 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Wow...so you have noticed a correlation between schizoid personality disorders who are sexually anorexic and lust killers? That is a great idea for research; I love how your mind works and admire all your skills, experience, and knowledge about conducting research and how you try to connect psychological findings associated to abnormal behavior to astrology as effectively as possible. I can learn a lot from you.

I can definitely see how Nessus can be tied to Eros-Thanatos complex. I could see how Nessus can be the result of a dysfunctional relationship dynamic between Eros and Thanatos forces/energy.

I need to learn more about Requiem, Orpheus and Hades before I give you my personal input on it.

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Thank you, Amelia. Your encouragement amazes me. It really, really does. I can only hope I don't disappoint you!

Yes, I have noticed a definite correlation; I'm working on controlling for schizo spectrum right now, hoping it'll help clarify what's going on -- if it's power or sex -- in the erotophonophiles.

posted August 20, 2014 08:14 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

As for sexual anorexia? Oh, my lord, yes; schizoids top the list for self-loathing and a deep shame regarding sexuality. It's, in part, the biochemistry: low libido, damaging sexual history (often abuse, but can also be parental neglect) or, as is common with schizoids, a very disengaged family -- especially the head of the family being seriously addicted. They have to grow up so quickly, and become completely self-sufficient. It can take a serious toll on their sexuality.

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