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darklight
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posted October 04, 2014 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darklight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was a guy I hung with who had his 15degree Leo Pluto exact my 15degree Leo Prey. He was more-or-less respectful, but I always felt "hunted". Too uncomfortable after awhile.

And RIP. This one's harder. I've only seen how it affected me as a child. Unfortunately, its conjunct Prey. I lost people in awful ways... (Is it historical? Everyone my age group? Dont know how fast these move?)

They're trine Venus and Chiron, which sucks cuz its a wound I'm always longing to fix/replace/heal and of course cant seem to.

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posted October 04, 2014 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome Dark!

Thank you for sharing so honestly. That takes great courage!


I am sorry you went through that but you are seeing that it was not your fault and that is one of the best uses of Astrology.

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posted October 04, 2014 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hate to be the bearer of ... news, but I'm hardly convinced Rip (7711) that has anything to do with 'requiescat in pace', AKA 'R.I.P.' There are a few asteroids which are true acronyms and written thus, (for example, TARDIS, 3325). This isn't one of them.

RIP 7711 is actually Ríp, and named for a Bohemian hill north of Prague. It's actually got a pretty cool origin story.

'When a mythological ancestor of Cech, the Father of the Czech nation, came to Bohemia, he is said to have climbed this hill, looked around and made the decision to stay there because of the wealth and fertility of the country.'

However, PREY (6157) is exactly as I've seen it used, which I can confirm. But RIP (7711) is getting a bad rap, I feel.

But who knows? Astrology is fuelled by functionalism. If everybody starts attributing it to R.I.P., maybe it'll take on deathly meaning. That seems rather unfortunate to me, though -- and a bit unfair to Ríp. I choose to see it as finding abundance where least expected; to decide, based upon your positive assessment of a thing, that you'll make it home.

But the intention of requiescat in pace was never to be forecasting of death and foreboding, either. It's a peaceful wish to those who have left the physical plane; that their travels may be safe and fruitful along their new journey.

Guess we'll see what the research yields.

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posted October 04, 2014 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by darklight:
They're trine Venus and Chiron, which sucks cuz its a wound I'm always longing to fix/replace/heal and of course cant seem to.

Regardless of the meaning of RIP (7711), my best advice is, don't fear the reaper.

A trine from VENUS and CHIRON? We should all be so blessed! These energies are connected and flowing, with a natural talent present. Do you write of your experiences? VENUS and CHIRON in soft aspect to PREY could be a wonderful natural healer to the weak and abused, as they say.

I've had the fortune to know the creators of what remains one of my all-time favourite series, The Pretender. If you haven't seen it, do.

It tells the story of Jarod, a genius chameleonic figure who can rapidly learn the traits needed to infiltrate any profession, trade, or circumstance.

To do that, he escaped The Centre, the psychogenics corporation clearly up to no good, that had kidnaped kids, like Jarod, who showed such promise that would essentially become permanent residents of it. He flees around age 35, having been there since 6, leading them to uncovering the mysteries of any number of things via simulation. One such simulation revealed too much. He found out the Centre had betrayed him, using his genius to harm others, all in pursuit of better profit. He spits, 'how many people died because of what I thought up?' after he's gone into hiding.

Of course, the Centre's not about to give him up. They hunt him, relentlessly, refusing to lose their Pretender. Meanwhile, he leads them on wonderful wild goose chases all over the world, as he tracks down those who were harmed or exploited or suffered as a result of his work there, however unwitting.

He becomes a 'defender of the weak and abused', seeking revenge upon those who betrayed and did them harm. While he himself is constantly prey to the Centre, he seeks to heal others -- and himself through their healing and restitution. Very Chironic.

Anyhow, I often see soft aspects to CHIRON and PREY this way, or benefic links, in any case.

I have CHIRON and PREY conjunct in my natal. Oddly enough, I've had my own Pretenderesque adventures and betrayals from my childhood. Unsurprising, I've become much like Jarod, seeking to heal and bring restitution to those who may have been harmed by what my extended, and since deceased, family did, or actions I myself took in other timelines. ( ... Longer story.)

You might look up TISIPHONE (466), too. The man who has it exactly conjunct my CHIRON (with his HADES) really galvanised me to look at what approaches I was taking to my own healing, and what my thoughts really are regarding retaliation and vengeance themes. But then, karmically-speaking, he and I've been in a near-endless cycle of violence across time. It's only recently, finally, ended, in forgiveness and unconditional love. Good stuff.

At any rate, thought I'd share.

Don't look upon your VENUS and CHIRON trine PREY as a helpless force against which you have no power. Be the healer. Take charge of your own healing. There's such an ease with which that can be done, if you just change your perspective.

Jarod's not a victim despite his past. He becomes a tremendous and courageous hero, constantly walking the fine line of what's ethical when going vigilante. Excellent concept, which can echo deeply for anyone coming to terms with their own victimisation and just as innate ability to heal -- their own wounds and those of others'.

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posted October 05, 2014 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 05, 2014 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 05, 2014 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 05, 2014 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Auby,

Your thoughts on PREY motivated me to look it up in synastry with recent ex and I found a PREY/VALENTINE DW - an exact sextile and a square (2). Crikey! This was most unexpected. His PREY is also quintile my CHIRON (0).

Could this mean that we had the potential to heal past hurts in the other? Or could it be something more sinister?

Prey has two meanings - prey upon (the perpetrator) and being prey to (the victim). According to Darklight, PREY conjunct a planet manifests as prey, the victim. So, could a soft aspect reverse the meaning do you think? Perhaps the quality of the planet affects the meaning too, e.g., MARS / PLUTO conjunct PREY would make MARS and PLUTO the perpetrators, while this may not apply to MERCURY.

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posted October 05, 2014 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
But RIP (7711) is getting a bad rap, I feel.

I choose to see it as finding abundance where least expected; to decide, based upon your positive assessment of a thing, that you'll make it home.


I took a look at some charts, just a handful that have Rip conjunctions, exact or within 2 degrees. In these charts it makes sense that putting to rest the negative manifestation of the planet involved would bring them home, so to speak. I feel the house position is important for interpretation. Planets with conjunctions to Rip are Pluto Mars Saturn SN Sun. All these are so called malefic or neutral excep for the person with Sun conjunction. This one has Sun conjunct Rip in 7H Venus with challenging aspect to Mars and is someone who transcended raw earthy animal desire in relationships in order to relate to others with a pure higher dimensional type of spiritual love.

My own Rip is wide (within 2 degrees) conjunct asteroid DNA on IC. It would seem to indicate locating negative family genetic code in order to put it to rest in order to come home to a pure code or origins. Just theorizing at this point. This thread opens exploration into new realms of asteroid in estivation. Thanks.

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posted October 05, 2014 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Auby,

Your thoughts on PREY motivated me to look it up in synastry with recent ex and I found a PREY/VALENTINE DW - an exact sextile and a square (2). Crikey! This was most unexpected. His PREY is also quintile my CHIRON (0).

Could this mean that we had the potential to heal past hurts in the other? Or could it be something more sinister?

Prey has two meanings - prey upon (the perpetrator) and being prey to (the victim). According to Darklight, PREY conjunct a planet manifests as prey, the victim. So, could a soft aspect reverse the meaning do you think? Perhaps the quality of the planet affects the meaning too, e.g., MARS / PLUTO conjunct PREY would make MARS and PLUTO the perpetrators, while this may not apply to MERCURY.



Would you mind if I comment?
Prey-Valentine in synastry...

First look at your own house and sign for asteroid Prey to see what others would prey upon, something you have that they would want to use to nourish themselves, or something they would want to take away from you for their own personal gain. Harsh aspects in your own chart to asteroid Prey could show how you may allow this to happen. Harmonious aspects could show how you can help protect yourself from becoming prey. That's a start. Then look at the aspects in synastry. I'm not sure how they would play out, but by first understanding yourself you can better interpret.

With Prey-Valentine, Valentine pure unconditional love would prey upon partner. Is this a good thing? Intentions would be good, results may not if person with asteroid Prey feels as they are a victim of this love, perhaps because of unworthiness? Just exploring this dynamic and offering food for thought. Would love to know more about this aspect.

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posted October 05, 2014 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your comments PS.

Btw, I just posted a related something in a thread on numbers in this forum.

I feel VALENTINE, as unconditional love, cannot have a negative meaning even if related to PREY. It could be argued, as you suggest, that unconditional love could lead to being exploited for one's virtues. But the DW is indicating some kind of mutual benefit here, or at least mutual exploitation if there is such a thing . Mutual nourishment sounds about right! At worst, this could point to a dependency - here we get into a very grey area.

But, I also feel caught in this relationship - it is a challenge to be overcome. The fact that it is a challenge is causing me to grow and learn from the experience. That is a good thing, despite the discomfort.

I have PREY in Libra in the 3rd house (not aligned to anything in particular), semisextile REIKI and SATURN In 4th.

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posted October 05, 2014 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, let's break this down.

First of all, I think I'm of the opinion that VALENTINE takes a lot -- if there's anything at all -- to 'conquer' it. True love, after all. Having some rough aspects to it -- such as PREY, for example -- requires further investigation. When two 'roids don't make sense, but are clearly linked, I have to find what links them. If there's clear evidence of karma, I tend to look at the Draco for context clues regarding the here and now.

Good news is that it's a sextile and square. BUT, it's a DW, as you'd said, and (the sextile) is exact. I'm intrigued by the quintile to CHIRON, too.

I have also read, most extensively, that PREY, when conjunct a point, is the one which is victimised by the other point. It's a tricky one, PREY.

If I'm to pull clues from my own bizarre history, I'd say it unfolds with staggering accuracy.

My PREY-CHIRON is conjunct his TISIPHONE/HADES. That doesn't take rocket science to sort. I carry a very deep wound (but also the potential for great healing) regarding 'falling prey to' his TISIPHONE/HADES.

For those uninitiated into this madness, HADES has a sharp intolerance for anything sinister, deemed evil, or an otherwise destructive force. TISIPHONE, on the other hand, is a retaliatory energy; the vigilante archetype. Specifically, she punishes (or torments those who have committed such crimes) homicide -- especially such crimes against kin. Whereas ALECTO won't stand for inhospitality -- a kind of deranged Emily Post, if you will, and MEGAERA's domain is to avenge the jilted -- whose affections and loyalties have been betrayed -- TISIPHONE punishes, quite specifically, for murder.

We've kind of taken this to mean a few things. When you have an exact conjunction of two asteroids, one becomes the driving force, and the other its descriptor. HADES and TISIPHONE is a bit of a tricky one. As HADES is a transdimensional point (Uranian) it carries with it both a heavy karma and a need to clean the slate; eradicate old patterns and overhaul a system. PLUTO in overdrive.

It'd be one thing if it were only in the Tropical -- but it isn't. it's in the Draco, too -- conjunct nSATURN, 0º. But I digress.

Understanding the TISIPHONE/HADES is only useful to me because of it's conjunction to my CHIRON/PREY. But since the TISIPHONE/HADES continued into Tropical, it's fascinating that PREY did NOT. In fact, my drPREY is rather off by itself, in the sign of Capricorn, oddly vestigial in nature, and only exactly square his nATROPOS.

So what's going on here?

It was the identification of PREY with my CHIRON that indicated the difficult karma seeking to be healed. But, rather astoundingly, PREY on CHIRON in conjunction to TISIPHONE/HADES is only present NOW -- as a reflection of the past (Draco) in which it doesn't make an appearance.

drPREY is practically unaspected, in fact. So, it's time to delve deeper.

Interesting enough, we have an exact reversal of the TISIPHONE conjunct CHIRON in the Draco; his drCHIRON is 0º30 conjunct my drTISIPHONE. drHADES is not involved. And nor is drPREY.

To recap:

TISIPHONE/HADES=CHIRON/PREY
drCHIRON conjunct drTISIPHONE

Well, that seems hardly coincidental; an exact mirrored aspect in the Draco and Tropical? When looking to the past to glean understanding into the odd configuration, we find the reversed aspect. As if it's a loop. drCHIRON/drTISIPHONE=TISIPHONE/HADES=CHIRON/PREY.

If my CHIRON ('the wound') was 'PREY' to his TISIPHONE (vigilante/retaliatory homicide or the forces which torment or punish the offending party) and HADES (intolerance, need for purification) then its roots lie in his drCHIRON suffering in some form (but, curiously, NOT being 'PREY' to) my TISIPHONE.

So, clearly, it would be drTISIPHONE (and, perhaps nTISIPHONE) that would yield clues.

Ohhhh, and they did.

For starters, drTISIPHONE-drHADES is conjunct his nSATURN, as I'd previously mentioned. But there's something funny about that SATURN. As it's in my 8H, it's what initially lead me to investigate any of this at all; being that, 'in extreme cases, SATURN is responsible for the death of the 8H.'

Huh. Well, THAT's not something you want to see. I couldn't find any present links indicating so -- otherwise, I feared the logical: accident of some sort. But, no, his nSATURN is curiously, and blissfully lacking aspects to my natal that would dictate the context there.

Instead, there's a direct hit from that troublesome conjunction of his -- the drTISIPHONE-drHADES. Here, as the TISIPHONE/HADES, it links to my CHIRON and PREY. Then, there, in the Draco -- it doesn't.

That got me looking more closely at drTISIPHONE-drHADES, as we now can identify it as a sort of 'karmic cause of death', if you will.

But something about drPREY having no links to it .... Awfully strange. Sure, I get how the pattern simply didn't 'carry over', but then what really CAUSED the CHIRON-PREY in my natal to start? One would think, surely, drPREY would yield those answers. The fact it just wasn't was, well, frustrating, to say the least.

Further, my drPREY-CHIRON stayed intact -- but just isn't making any aspect to his drTISIPHONE-drHADES; which, we know from the Tropical, is the culprit here. Well, there, rather. Which further shows how it's got to be doing SOMETHING in the Draco!

Criminy! It's important enough to carry over and demand my attention -- especially with the very attention-getting conjunction to his TISIPHONE/HADES.

But, no. drCHIRON-PREY is keeping its lips tightly sealed, it would seem.

That's when I noticed, while my drPREY does nothing remarkable in my own Draco -- it is exactly opposite his drJUPITER.

... I don't want to type what I said here.

Now, I know what you're thinking. JUPITER? The Greater Benefic? Goodness! If something's got to be in aspect to PREY, wouldn't we want it to be something like that? Yes, and no. In my case, it seems to be crossing the 'T' on the suspected tragedy here. JUPITER, of course, IS well-meaning. But it's also the seat of our morality; our principles. Our sense of justice. And ... in hard aspect, it can get a bit overzealous, too. Reckless. Judgement.

An exact opposition of my drPREY to his drJUPITER? Now THAT I'll buy -- and take all the way to the bank.

Tightest aspect is a conjunction to drURA, which is also 0º parallel. Ahhh. The good ol' Unexpected. The Unanticipated. The Glorified 'Oh, F*ck!'

And now we seem to be getting somewhere. Again. My drMOON is conjunct his nSUN, which is then conjunct my nLACHESIS ... and nTISIPHONE.

But before we get lost once again in Furyland, let's return to the crux of the issue. Because now, we can see SOME definition in the Draco. And the ripples made across time of his drJUPITER: becomes nSUN, with an exact parallel, brings in nMADHATTER (oh, that's a big one) and nVALENTINE (which is exactly conjunct) and becomes his chartruler.

If that weren't enough -- he has a skipped step, too. nJUPITER.

Okay, so we've identified the roots of PREY being traced back to drPREY, which, curiously, is NOT tied to the drTISIPHONE-drHADES -- but, instead, is opposite drJUPITER.

Being 'PREY to JUPITER', in this case, is given definition via the hard aspect, and delineating JUPITER in hard aspect. It's always been thought that the cause was running afoul of his principles, which were, (as clearly indicated by a very active JUPITER) ironclad, and non-negotiable.

As drJUPITER links back to my nTISIPHONE, we find the pattern looping itself, and leading back to the underlying cause.

But we still don't have the fuse; the tremble to tumble the dominoes. That, believe it or not, is linked to his PREY.

I'll follow up with that in a bit. It's all quite fascinating.

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posted October 06, 2014 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Auby,

You're a master analyst and unrelenting in your quest. I'm impressed .

You pointing out the possibility of finding karmic links thru the draconic was very helpful and Lo and Behold, I found a draconic DW with PREY, which is intriguing! It turns out PREY is very prominent in our charts.

So this is how it appears:

Tropical: - many aspects with PREY
HIs PREY/REIKI sextile my VALENTINE(0), square my DESTINN (0)
Trine my ASC (1), opposite my MERCURY (1)
Sesquisquare my JUPITER and JUNO (0),
Quintile my CHIRON (0)

My PREY square his VALENTINE (2), and DESTINN (3)
Quintile his URANUS (1)
Semi-sextile his LUST (0)
Opposite his JUNO (1)
Sesquisquare his VERTEX (0)

I did feel a sense of being used for his convenience, whenever his work/life permitted. He may have felt the same at times.


Draconic:
His PREY (Leo 27.19)/REIKI (Leo 27.29) opposite my VENUS (Aqua 27.27)
My PREY (Aqua 1.46) conjunct his VENUS (Aqua 3.42) and MERCURY (Cap 29.54)
My PREY quincunx his MOON (Can 2.21)

My PREY semi-sextiles my REIKI/SATURN.

So we have PREY/VALENTINE, PREY/DESTINN and PREY/JUNO DWs in the tropical and PREY/VENUS DW in the draconic. Lots of karma to clear it seems. We have NN/VENUS DW in the tropical, which could very well relate to the Karma of dPREY/VENUS DW.

Is PREY all negative here do your think - could VALENTINE bring about healing in this instance? And with close aspects to REIKI too. Not sure what PREY aspecting all those points implies!!

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posted October 06, 2014 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AstroK,

I feel that I've had to be, in all honesty.

Since 27 January 2001, when this curious Tisiphonic figure began figuratively whispering in my ear, reciting a strange story which would unfold, literally, across dozens of computer monitors and digital screens in my possession over fifteen years, I've been compelled to take dictation.

It wasn't until I was casually doing the synastry with my costar, mid-2013, that I began to connect dots. I should have; anyone familiar with the project (as it's transmedia -- novels, audio drama, and now television series in development), was essentially scratching their heads, pointing, and muttering a collective, ' ... no way. Is that ... possible?' in unison.

In my defence, does anyone really want to believe someone murdered them?

Unfortunately, a soul is a rather persistent thing; when it wants you to do, know, or deal with something -- it's going to find a way. So, in my case, it prompted the conversation with a dear friend who'd become the co-creator of the original works, when I was nineteen, and just starting to find my place in the world, beginning my collegian career -- Fauste would begin bending my ear. Friend, or foe -- I honestly didn't know. But, after spending over a decade, altogether, with -- however it should be defined -- multidimensional entity? Higher mind? Soul energy? -- I felt his own complex story be birthed beneath my perplexed fingertips.

Oh, I'd written novels. Nothing like THIS. I can relate deeply to Rowling's attestation that Harry simply appeared before her mind's eye; she didn't have to create anything. He merely took her on a great journey -- and she followed along.

That's the closest thing I can find which matches my own experience. He was just there; I knew immediately how he looked, down to an unusual, but never unpleasant, natural scent. I knew his peculiar voice -- its unique placement, curious idiolect. Over time, I'd learn his habits, principles, system of values. I'd see him encounter and overcome great tragedy, make terrible mistakes, as well as prove himself a bizarrely noble -- albeit transgressive -- figure.

You see, he kills killers. A trite and overdone thing which was rather shiny and new in 2001. Really, only Harris, Lindsay, and myself were playing in that sandbox.

But the stakes for me were ... unwittingly higher.

It would take years before I'd REALLY allow myself to see the connexion my confidantes did. The connexion, specifically, to my own karmic history which was making itself known through spontaneous regressions, and 'past life recalls', as the lingo goes.

I didn't want to buy into it. Would you?

Hence, it wasn't until delineating his SATURN in my 8H, and reading that 'in extreme cases' second paragraph, that everything narrowed to that fine point; I felt suddenly light-headed -- but had to know further.

When I saw his natal TISIPHONE-HADES on my CHIRON-PREY, I had to put it all away for awhile. Recollect myself. Meditate.

My soul was screaming.

In part, it felt that a large bit of the 'grand plan' here was to spend several years in this fictional world that's an uncanny mirror of the karmic history, as if to find answers -- by exploring every possible avenue. Asking every question. Investigating all potential solutions. Delving deeply.

At first, in 2001, my protagonist, Riley, despises the very monodimensional Fauste, who's yet to truly become fleshed out. He's a serial murderer; that's all she sees. He was responsible for taking lives. That's all that registers. Over time, she grows sympathetic with his vigilante approach -- killing killers -- but finally settles upon the burning question:

Who has right to decide who lives and who dies? Who, free of ethical or moral burden, is justified to judge whether one is deserving of continued life? Who is deserving to deem one has 'revoked their membership to the human race' -- not to quote my character -- but my costar.

You see, he has an interesting personality quirk. Since he became both fascinated with, and irrationally terrified of becoming, evil, he studied it with great fervour as a youth -- age fifteen or so; that's the age he deems 'his life changed completely, and he was set upon a different path.'

Curious, as it's indeed age fifteen that sets my character upon his course as well.

Of course, unlike Fauste, his actor developed an incredible iron will and 'willingly committed himself to an institution which would remake his identity into that which would better conform to the society in which he lived'.

In the story, Fauste is literally committed to an institution, deciding he's a bit too much of an x-factor to continue on his own. He orchestrates events that will force him into this regimented new life.

And, further astounding perhaps, they both end up in the field of influence -- learning the careful intricacies of human psychology so as to be able to manipulate it at will. In the business of war, this is propaganda, or psychological operations. In the fictional, paramilitary organisation operating inside of the institution (long story) it's a modified form of psychological operations. It allows the character to do the same thing that the actor does, in any case. (Which was quite useful! Try explaining to 'a civilian' the principle of psyop. It's unlikely they'll be able to fully embrace the understanding of the concept as would one who's lived it.)

The peculiar similarities go on, and on ... and on.

But, given the meat of the story, the bit over which my soul screams ... that's what took it from 'oh, what an intriguing coincidence' to 'unresolved karma, transdimensional cycle of violence, things that MUST heal otherwise they'll continue'.

Because -- spoiler alert -- the character, Fauste, is faced with a terrible dilemma. Should he allow Riley to live, he must go against his own principles -- something he's NEVER done, and cannot allow himself to do.

As my costar has said, 'what is a man without his principles but a monster?' If you ever happen to see the promotional work we'll be shooting in March, you'll notice that line made it into a very pivotal scene. It echoed -- resonating deeply -- with me. It's a very personal notion, and he'd clung, desperately, to his own -- terrified of what he might become without them.

In a way, the story is a bizarre exploration of both of us, as well as the many ways things can go so terribly wrong between two people thrown into unbelievable circumstances; examining trust, betrayal, identity, principles, and what happens when all of these come crashing into each other.

Of course, I didn't want to see the connexions, which were plain to see for anyone looking. It's been over a year now, since uncovering the synastry.

He's since completed the story he began soon before we'd met. It was during the week where I had the most difficult karmic transits, and I also wrote the ending to my own story, finally, after fifteen years. And it's the right one. I feel great about it, a month later.

In his own words:

'When I began my own journey here, back in 2009, I had absolutely no idea that I'd write so many tales. Each came knocking, one after the other, and I dutifully took dictation. Has a unifying theme emerged? What is the meaning of all this? On some reflection, I have my answer. I hasten to add this is not the correct answer.

In the case of my emergent female protagonist, I think she was cut off, even before we met her, from that part of herself Jung called the Shadow. She struggled so hard to be "perfect" that she suppressed all her human frailties, her sexual desires, and her anger. Tisiphone is the personification of those amputated parts of herself. ... She is weakened because she is not whole, and faces her wild dark side; so her story is about how she manages to re-integrate herself into a single, whole and fully-functioning being. We live in a world where we must often, faced with poverty or authority, swallow our completely justified outrage, and pretend. I suspect many, many people can sympathize with her plight.

The protagonist (which I borrowed) also has a severed relationship ... with humanity. After a chain-reaction of traumas, but also due to innate tendencies that had other children calling her "gloomy," she finds herself disconnected from humanity at large, and even routinely disconnects from her own humanity. Sometimes, she's whole and adorable. But under stress, she "unplugs," and her behavior becomes mechanical, a part-time psychopath, meaning not the homicidal mania of movies and TV, but shallow emotions and diminished empathy.

Her story is about her struggle to reconnect with her own humanity, and with humanity at large. It's a hard journey with many setbacks. ... But she repents of her dismissive coldness, and rejoins the human race.

Did I have this arc planned? Heavens, no! Am I pleased by it? Oh yes, very much so! I'm startled by how well everything's worked out. I hope that if you find yourself in a similar state to either, you will find solace and useful guidance in their journeys. That is what stories are for.'

Is it coincidence that our stories have independently carried the same themes? More so now than ever, it seems hardly so.

For anyone looking to understand their own karmic history, astrologically speaking, I say have a direction.

I started with CHIRON, which I feel is a safe place from which to launch. From there, I was able to stumble into PREY, and his TISIPHONE/HADES with astonishing ease.

Now I can't escape her! That Fury's prominently, but specifically, placed in both of our natals, and activated like crazy in not only the tropical, but also the Draco synastry.

Once your theme emerges, it's impossible to turn from. The bell can't be un-rung.

So it's best one be absolutely sure they want to ring it. Of course, some times, you have no choice. Would I rather the cycle of violence continue as this dark undercurrent across time? No. Not a bit. But that means I had to face the music, as Ceri reminded me, and dance.

It's taught me quite a lot, about karma, and the multidimensionality of a person, of a soul, an entity. Perhaps the astrology allowed me to identify the karma, but it was the story which eventually prompted me, after some hard reflection, to forgive, and pursue the only one true path: unconditional love.

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I should addend that, I realise the above is wholly incredible. I don't fault your incredulity; I respect it. This has been more of a long journey in which I've had to draw conclusions, over the course of a decade -- longer, really -- compiling the puzzle pieces which weren't coming together into any complete picture until recently.

And the picture itself is rather unbelievable. Especially to me.

I suppose it's not the craziest thing out there. But for a scientist who played very much by the books, it's changed my entire belief system -- my whole paradigm.

I'm fortunate to be a creative professional. To have this opportunity. To share my journey; all that I've learnt. To go from a heavy karma and a cycle of violence to resolution and unconditional love.

I feel we need more stories like that. And, yes, so mine was born of unusual circumstances. I think I'VE been the one most reticent to actually accept it.

Sorry for waxing philosophic!

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Auby,

You have extra vision to see beyond this realm and make connections. Even if it takes awhile to put the pieces together, the fact that you succeeded is good! Your intuition helped greatly in this endeavour. I'm afraid I'm rather at sea with mine. Since there are many interpretations, I need to ask an intuitive for help.

Someone who can use their astro knowledge along with their intuition? Anyone ?

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Auby,

You have extra vision to see beyond this realm and make connections. Even if it takes awhile to put the pieces together, the fact that you succeeded is good! Your intuition helped greatly in this endeavour. I'm afraid I'm rather at sea with mine. Since there are many interpretations, I need to ask an intuitive for help.

Someone who can use their astro knowledge along with their intuition? Anyone ?


No worries, AstroK. It's taken awhile for me to get to this level of comfort with these skyrocks.

I've been thinking, though.

These are soft aspects, for the most part. Is there anything which comes to YOU, personally, and specifically, that could lead you to investigating further? Without my 'script' (literally) I'd have very little idea of WHERE to look.

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