posted January 06, 2015 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Soulie is apparently a French surname; the asteroid was named after an astronomer named Guy Soulie, born in 1920.

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As a French national, I confirm this. Soulié is a common French surname. In fact, I use it as a Personal Name Asteroid for someone I know named like that and it works perfectly.

posted January 08, 2015 07:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Very often the name suggests a meaning because of a similarity to another word, and the chart then corroborates that meaning. This may have little to do with the actual meaning of the word. Or it may have more than one meaning, both of which have significance for different people.

In the case of Soulie, as Gabby suggested earlier, it's placement at some key points in the charts I've checked appears to support its meaning as 'soul' or something of a spiritual nature.

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Hm...I'm not sure about this. Astro Keen. I believe in the power of words, so the original, intended meaning prevails. And the original language of the word is important. I don't care if there is a word in English or in Japanese resembling Soulie and meaning completely different things.

Imagine the asteroid Sado. For some people, this resonates with sadism, Marquis de Sade. For others, Sado means Child or Love, in their native language, so they are supposed to interpret the asteroid as such. We end up with different astronomies. The truth is this asteroid was named after a Japanese island, it doesn't mean sadism , neither it means love or child. Anglicizing or Japanising or French-sizing lol words makes no sense to me.

The asteroid named after le Marquis de Sade or sadism will be the only one astrologically connected with sadism in the charts, universally.
If an English speaking astronomer discovers an asteroid and wants to name it "Soul" after the English word for anima, that asteroid will have a soul-connected astrology. That's just my personal opinion.

posted January 08, 2015 09:32 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hm...I'm not sure about this. Astro Keen. I believe in the power of words, so the original, intended meaning prevails. And the original language of the word is important. I don't care if there is a word in English or in Japanese resembling Soulie and meaning completely different things.

Imagine the asteroid Sado. For some people, this resonates with sadism, Marquis de Sade. For others, Sado means Child or Love, in their native language, so they are supposed to interpret the asteroid as such. We end up with different astronomies. The truth is this asteroid was named after a Japanese island, it doesn't mean sadism , neither it means love or child. Anglicizing or Japanising or French-sizing lol words makes no sense to me.

The asteroid named after le Marquis de Sade or sadism will be the only one astrologically connected with sadism in the charts, universally.
If an English speaking astronomer discovers an asteroid and wants to name it "Soul" after the English word for anima, that asteroid will have a soul-connected astrology. That's just my personal opinion.

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You should ask iQ on this...the meaning has much to do with the subconscious meaning to the person individually 1st, say someone's last name or a family name is not going to mean the same thing to them as someone who has no ties or connections to that same name outside of the dictionary definition.

Let's take asteroid Santa(1288)
Most Christian children will relate this a big jolly guy bringing gifts down there chimney...I doubt children from Africa or India would though.
Myself...i never knew much about Santa as a child, didn't celebrate holidays and nobody talked about them. I was kept sheltered so I wouldn't hear about holidays and long for them, so that eventually the longing led me away from God and the cult I was raised in.

But yet that asteroid is very prominent in my chart, in a very negative way.
Opposed Ophelia, Philomela, Oscilating Lililh....sits exact in between scorp Kaali and asteroid Lilith....my sadistic step father, his last name was Sant....interesting that he was murdered as he was on his way to murder my family.

posted January 08, 2015 12:55 PM            

Lie was not named with "lies" in the mind, with the intention of being the astrobody of Liars, so it will never be the astrobody of Liars, it doesn't matter what Lie means in a certain language or several languages. The need to translate everything into one's local language should be overcome, we are talking universal myths here, not local languages.

posted January 08, 2015 02:44 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I don't agree with this, Gabby. It's an asteroid, a physical astronomical body discovered by a scientist who has looked for it probably for a long time, sometimes his entire life. He has studied for many years to be able to discover asteroids and has done intensive research. All planets/asteroids have been discovered like this. At the moment of their discovery, they were given a name with a certain significance - that word influences the meaning that astrobody has for us, for the following generations. We are supposed to respect and cherish this discovery and the name it was chosen for it. In astrology, all planets have the meanings they were given, the astro-physical bodies themselves don't have those properties, it is only what they symbolize for us, for humans. These astronomical bodies are universal, they "belong" to all people, their meaning is universal, it is usually chosen (if it's not a common name) out of universal, global, Earth mythology, and there is a purpose in that. The meanings are not local, they reflect on the entire human race. I can't just come along and give it the meaning I please because in my family or my tribe or my language Santa means "stockings". It is my duty to understand and acquire the meaning it was given to it by the one who discovered it. Otherwise, I will end up confiscating universal symbols and make them a local trademark - I don't think we have this right. Asteroid Soulie cannot mean "soul" for English speakers, "shoe" for French speakers and I don't know, "cradle" for Zulu people. Astrology is a global science with global meanings.

Lie was not named with "lies" in the mind, with the intention of being the astrobody of Liars, so it will never be the astrobody of Liars, it doesn't matter what Lie means in a certain language or several languages. The need to translate everything into one's local language should be overcome, we are talking universal myths here, not local languages.

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posted January 08, 2015 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Agree to disagree....

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Then you are pleading for national astrology, in each country the meaning of planets Saturn Uranus etc and asteroids would be different if we apply this rule (different astrology depending on the local meaning of the word, for example, in my natal language, Uranus means "hatred", so my nationals should have their own astrological meaning for the planet Uranus, the Planet of Hate). The universal dimension of astrology ceases to exist.

OK, agree to disagree

posted January 08, 2015 10:18 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Then you are pleading for national astrology, in each country the meaning of planets Saturn Uranus etc and asteroids would be different if we apply this rule (different astrology depending on the local meaning of the word, for example, in my natal language, Uranus means "hatred", so my nationals should have their own astrological meaning for the planet Uranus, the Planet of Hate). The universal dimension of astrology ceases to exist.

OK, agree to disagree

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Planets and asteroids play different roles in who we are and how they play out in our each individual life. We carry the asteroids with us they make layers and layers on our soul. The lessons we learn from our planetary layout in each life is also carried with us in our soul but the actual planets aspects are a more of our concrete consciousness in the exact life we are in at this moment.
Planets are set in place in a way to orchestrate ways to bring your souls lessons out so you will work and overcome them.
Before each life these are chosen specifically by you, for you to learn from. Their uses or struggles are meant to help or provide you with the situations/challenges needed during this one incarnation in order to grow the way your higher self has set out for you to grow.
They change with your incarnations as the lessons you need change.
While asteroids are more subconscious and subtle. They layer our life experiences and fill in the little details of our lives...where we lived, what kind of ppl we were, struggles we had...they can give more specific information, our name or stature in that life.
We carry this information from one lifetime to the next. That's why asteroids can see what happened to you in Atlantis or that you were inline to be a royal during the Reinassaunce age but where exiled because you had an illegitimate baby.

The asteroids carry your past life(sub conscious energy) into this life, their placements to your planets will bring up fears and/or powers you learned from numerous lifetimes...these are all meant to help you overcome the fears and find the powers and abilities you learned and to use them now to help in your souls growth.

Asteroids are a deeper layer of of your psyche. Its the unseen layer that tells the story of where your soul has been and it will expose itself through the subtle nuances of their very personal placements in each persons chart.....let's ask iQ!!

posted January 11, 2015 01:29 PM            

My own take on this issue is (1) work first/primarily with asteroids where the reason for the name matches the interpretation that is being suggested, and (2) play around with the others; they can be fun. But don't put a lot of stock in them unless you have real data from a variety of charts *and* a variety of astrologers.

I also think the discovery chart of the asteroid itself can be instructive, and I think that the bigger asteroids that were discovered earlier in history (so have been in the collective consciousness of humans on earth longer) are more important. Finally, I study the original myth, not just interpretations (sometimes highly oversimplified interpretations) I find on the internet.

I think we also have to consider that it's hard for astrologers to see meaningful patterns in something that actually means a French surname derivative of shoes (Soulie), a Russian River (Kama), a Japanese island or tea ceremony (Sado), or an Estonian crater related to a word meaning "cabbage" in Finnish/Estonian (Kaali).

On the other hand, it's easy to see patterns related to "soul" and "sadism" if your primary language is English, and "kama" and "kali" if you come from an Indian background or have studied the culture.

The more objects you use, the more close aspects you will find. And even if there are no aspects, then I guess you have a peregrine asteroid which might mean something too!

We all have Kaali, Sado, Soulie, and Kama asteroids in our charts somewhere. We all have powerful feminine dark energy, a tendency toward hurting others for our own desires, a soul, and sexual desire because we are human.

So I take a lot of this with a grain of salt. It can be fun. It sometimes can help me think about and become more aware of a particular part of my psyche (or that of my partner in a relationship). But it's not deterministic and I'm not fatalistic about it. God (however you define him/her) gave us a heart, a brain, and free will for a reason.

I worry sometimes that people take some of this stuff far too seriously.

All that said, I am personally fond of interpreting my Kaali placement in my own chart as the goddess energy, not cabbage :