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ReadingTheStars95
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posted March 21, 2015 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm..

Well, this is the last asteroid I plan on posting about for at least another 24 hours lmao..

Ingram.

Looking at it from the basis of the word..

-gram

Meaning something written or recorded..
'Something written in a certain way' So, usually a prefix saying how it is that this is written or recorded..

Telegram being something written/recorded and sent from a distance.. For example.

Now, when I think of it from that basis..

I think of something that is recorded within.. Possibly something recorded within the deeper layers of the consciousness. Almost makes me think of a specific point relating with the "Soul-Contract" Possibly, the planets and asteroids aspecting it showing a specific significance to the Soul-Contract/Soul-Purpose (although, I do not see those things as the exact same thing. I feel like the Soul-Contract is more circumstantial based and dealing more with specific karmic debts, while the Soul-Purpose deals more with where one is able to shine once they fulfill specific points within their Soul-contract.. Now, of course, this is all speculation, and I could easily be incorrect with all this. But yeah.. Just some thoughts to put forth to ponder. Not saying they are facts lol)

Of course once again, I could be looking way too far into this lol.. But, I feel like its placement in my chart is possibly significant. I'll try and look around and see if I can find any good examples with this asteroid.

Of course, if I am correct, it is also a name multiple companies share lol.


It was weird actually, as this name came to mind before I even saw it.. The word just randomly really resonated with me. Although, it did come to mind while I was going through the list.

I'm not sure Innergram would even be a word, but I feel like either Intergram or Innergram would probably be more significant names.. But, we have no asteroids for either of those.

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posted March 21, 2015 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm.. I've noticed a lot of people with Ingram aspecting their Moon.

Hmmm..

A friend I know who tends to get into relationships quickly (at least in my opinion..) has Ingram conjunct Uranus, Conjunct her Descendant..

A lot of people's chart's I've looked at generally have it close to at least one of their planets.. To me, it seems like it really could be some type of karmic thing. Whether it be something that they really excel with, or something they have to bring a balance to or bring more attention to in this life. At least, that is what it seems like it could be, with the charts I've looked at of some of my friends, and my parents.

I have it conjunct my Draconic Soulie.

One interesting aspect I found is that Edgar Allen Poe had it Trine his Mercury.

Picasso had his Ingram sextile Mercury by 2 degrees.

Gandhi had it conjunct Neptune by 2 degrees.

Both Nikola Tesla and Isaac Newton had it loosely aspecting Eureka.

Galileo had it Inconjunct Eureka

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posted March 21, 2015 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting my-
Ingram gemini@23.01
Giza gemini@23.43
Raphella gemini@23.44
Telephus gemini@21.16

Destin libra@21.34
Heimdal libra@21.32
Anti-Vertex libra@21.23

Alma leo@21.57
Part of Fortune saggy@22.57
Siva saggy@22.48

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posted March 21, 2015 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A lot of scientists seem to have Eureka and Ingram in aspect to one another. Even if they are especially loose orbs. It is definitely a pattern I'm seeing. Not saying that loose orbs should be used all the time.. But.. A lot of Eureka-Ingram aspects in scientists charts.. Even if the aspect has an orb of 5-7, it seems to be reoccurring. I mean.. I think that is obviously 'too loose to have influence' but the fact that the aspect shows up in most of the people I've looked at, who were scientists, is interesting. And of course, it depends on the harmonic of the aspect too lol

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posted March 21, 2015 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Eureka aqua@23.42 exact trine Ingram gemini@23.01

I LOVE science!!
I'm getting ready to go to Peru on a 2 week group tour with a scientist(Gregg Braden) to visit all the sacred Inca sites.
I have libra Einstein/Discovery/Pluto all exact conjunct 2-3 degrees conjunct my AC, all exact sextile my saggy Neptune in 3rd house. They all aspect my aries Jupiter by 2-3 degrees

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posted March 21, 2015 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
My Eureka aqua@23.42 exact trine Ingram gemini@23.01

Interesting!

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posted March 21, 2015 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Chiron aries@24.14 sextiles both Ingram and Eureka

I've always thought my scientific mind relates to helping ppl find ways to heal through the merging of science and spirituality.

Ingram gemini@23.01
Giza gemini@23.43
Raphella gemini@23.44
Telephus gemini@21.16

Prosperpina aqua@23.05
Eureka aqua@23.42
Gross aqua@21.05(money asteroid)
Chaldea aqua@23.27
Magiac aqua@19.15

Destin libra@21.34
Heimdal libra@21.32
Anti-Vertex libra@21.23
Venus libra@19.03
Banks libra@19.09
Ohm libra@19.54


Chiron aries@24.14
Vertex aries@21.23
Hubble aries@20.09(ability to see the expanding universe)

Kuber leo@21.08(wealth asteroid)
Apollo leo@21.26
Essene leo@21
Yen leo@23.01
Alma leo@21.57

Part of Fortune saggy@22.57
Siva saggy@22.48

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posted March 21, 2015 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
My Chiron aries@24.14 sextiles both Ingram and Eureka

I've always thought my scientific mind relates to helping ppl find ways to heal through the merging of science and spirituality.

Vertex aries@21.23
Hubble aries@20.09(ability to see the expanding universe)

Kuber leo@21.08(wealth asteroid)
Apollo leo@21.26
Essene leo@21
Yen leo@23.01

P.of Fortune saggy@22.57
Gross aqua@21.05(money asteroid)
Chaldea aqua@23.27
Magiac aqua@19.15

Venus libra@19.03
Banks libra@19.09
Ohm libra@19.54


I'll edit this message after you answer this.. But.. what influence does Essene have? Is that in reference to the Essenes? Or in allusion to the word Essence? Or is it something else?

Magiac.. in allusion to Magic?

Yeah.. I think Hubble is a pretty well understood Asteroid.. Although, I think Hubble goes just beyond seeing into space.. But just seeing beyond the immediate in general, it seems.

I have Hubble sextile Ingram.


Actually have a grand trine with Hubble, Astrea and Aura.. Not sure how Astraea would work into that, but I think it makes sense kind of.. Considering how Astraea does deal with "what we see" to a certain degree, but it deals more so with "seeing things through to the end"

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posted March 21, 2015 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
I'll edit this message after you answer this.. But.. what influence does Essene have? Is that in reference to the Essenes? Or in allusion to the word Essence? Or is it something else?

Magiac.. in allusion to Magic?


The Essenes were the original writers of the holy scriptures...thought to be the bloodline of Christ.

Magiac is magic, not in a negative connotation unless aspects show that. But aspecting the way it does it doesn't appear negative at all.

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posted March 21, 2015 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well.. Magic in and of itself isn't negative.. Although, It's how it is used that matters.. And whether or not wills/free-will of other people are broken. Although, I would say that it is a type of work that I would consider to be within the 'darkness' (darkness not always meaning "negativity" at least not in the immediate sense)

At least, that is how I see it.


Also, is Raphella in reference to Archangel Raphael? I think that is how I've seen it used in astrology. Wasn't sure though.


Actually, I couldn't even find Magiac on the list.. Is that how it is spelled?

Also.. Did you mean Essen? I saw that one earlier, but didn't click it even though I felt drawn to it. Partly, because I know in German Essen means 'to eat' hehe.. Not to say that IS what it means on an astrological level.

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posted March 21, 2015 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't find the numbers right now I'm on my phone but yes Essen
There is a magiac and magion

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posted March 21, 2015 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(2696) Magion
133243 Essen

I still can't find Magiac or Magiak, can't remember how it's spelled.

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posted March 21, 2015 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hate to rain on the parade here, but INGRAM is clearly a surname asteroid. There are many of these.

If anything, INGRAM has roots in its name, which is derived from English ancestry; literally, the Engles -- or Englanda.

You may be seeing it frequently aspected in charts of those who are of English descent.

I'm hesitant to use this in soul connexions. I don't feel there's a relationship.

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posted March 21, 2015 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
Even if the aspect has an orb of 5-7, it seems to be reoccurring. I mean.. I think that is obviously 'too loose to have influence' but the fact that the aspect shows up in most of the people I've looked at, who were scientists, is interesting.

I've really got to discourage using orbs beyond 3º for asteroids. The mere fact there are SO many of them means that, statistical probability ensures there WILL be hits. If we start using such wide orbs, those hits are likely to be false positives.

When using asteroids, and exploring new ones for the first time, study the discovery chart to get a feel of the energy of its induction, and then start using it in charts with a orb no wider than 1º00.

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posted March 21, 2015 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fair enough

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posted March 21, 2015 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
Fair enough

I think it's good to research asteroids in different charts ReadingTheStar. If we don't research them in charts we don't know how they fit. There are many asteroids that have names that are towns, scientist names, or just random things....that when they are investigated more throughly are found to have more than one meaning and interpretation. 1 example is Kaali, it means cabbage....
So don't stop your research and hopefully we can find more willing participants in the research part of this.
If you have found multiple scientist with the asteroid aspecting Eureka...keep looking!!

It's dead on with me, I have said so many times I should be a scientist and I'm going to Peru this summer for just that exact thing! I'm in the process of writing a book about my life experiences and what I've learned as I've healed from massive trauma in my childhood.
So much of my healing has come from grasping how the universe works in accordance with emotions and what we need to do to change our physical life for the better just by understanding quantum science.

I personally, think your on to something so please don't stop your research!

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posted March 21, 2015 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
I think it's good to research asteroids in different charts ReadingTheStar. If we don't research them in charts we don't know how they fit. There are many asteroids that have names that are towns, scientist names, or just random things....that when they are investigated more throughly are found to have more than one meaning and interpretation. 1 example is Kaali, it means cabbage....
So don't stop your research and hopefully we can find more willing participants in the research part of this.
If you have found multiple scientist with the asteroid aspecting Eureka...keep looking!!

It's dead on with me, I have said so many times I should be a scientist and I'm going to Peru this summer for just that exact thing! I'm in the process of writing a book about my life experiences and what I've learned as I've healed from massive trauma in my childhood.
So much of my healing has come from grasping how the universe works in accordance with emotions and what we need to do to change our physical life for the better just by understanding quantum science.

I personally, think your on to something so please don't stop your research!


Oh, EUREKA is definitely prominent in scientist's charts. INGRAM? I don't see the link.

I do, however, believe that we see what we NEED to see. So what's appearing to you, RTS, is supposed to -- in my opinion.

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posted March 21, 2015 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RTS....
The name is related to a scientist.....

The definition of word "Ingram":

Sir Geoffrey Ingram Taylor born March 7, 1886, London, Eng. died June 27, 1975, Cambridge; British physicist. He taught at Cambridge University from 1911 to 1952. He made important discoveries in fluid mechanics, as well as significant contributions to the theory of the elastostatic stress and displacement fields created by dislocating solids, the quantum theory of radiation and the interference and diffraction of photons.


Sir Arthur Ingram (ca. 1565 – 1642) was an English investor, landowner and politician who sat in the House of Commons at various times between 1610 and 1642. Responsible for the construction, purchase and sale of many manor houses and estates in Yorkshire, the Ingram family are most associated with Temple Newsam which became the seat of the wealthy family for over 300 years.

James Ingram Merrill-
Born March 3, 1926, New York, New York, United States died February 6, 1995, Tucson, Ariz. United States poet. Son of a founder of the investment firm Merrill Lynch, he attended Amherst College. Inherited wealth enabled him to devote his life to poetry. His lyric and epic poems are known for their fine craftsmanship, erudition and wit. Many of his later works were stimulated by sessions with a Ouija board. His collections include Nights and Days (1966), the trilogy of Divine Comedies (1976, Pulitzer Prize), Mirabell: Books of Number (1978) and Scripts for the Pageant (1980), published together in The Changing Light at Sandover (1982). A Different Person, his memoir, was published in 1993. His last book of poetry, A Scattering of Salts, was published posthumously in 1995.

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posted March 22, 2015 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's not the definition, Gabby, but instances of its use. The etymology is what you want; the word Ingram specifically is a surname dealing with English descent. Really. That's it. It's pre-medieval, associated namely with Yorkshire, and has a root in Engel -- hence the Anglo-Saxon, English connotation.

If you wish to go deeper into it, there are two origin points of development for Ingram.

• atop of 'engel', the suffix 'hrafn' was added; I believe it's 'raven' in Welsh.

• the suffix is translated to 'ramm', of which the literal meaning is 'the ram'.

Origin variations are: Ingeram, Ingelham, Ingyon, and Ingelram.

The same name was recorded several ways in different counties, so its origin remains unclear. We can glean some things, thanks to etymology, but it's uncertain outside of its being a surname.

Connected with Ingram are:

• some of the earliest American settlers in Virginia from the 17th century of direct English descent

• the family crest is a coat of arms featuring an ermine shield with three gold scallops over red

• the first recorded spelling is Engelram, which literally translates in modern English to 'English Ram'. It dates to the 12th century in Yorkshire.

My BEST guess for astrological usage of INGRAM is:

1. As a surname; it's essentially a 'name' asteroid.
2. Identifying particular English descent; especially Yorkshire heritage.
3. Potentially an ARIES connotation, given 'the ram' being part of its name.

These are my thoughts given what is known of its origins. It is no more linked with scientists than it is farmers, educators, or colonial settlers. It should be treated as a name asteroid.

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posted March 22, 2015 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't say it was the definition Aubryanne!! I said it was related to that man who just so happens to be a scientist(that's just like RTS said...seeing a theme with scientist/science with this asteroid)

Look at asteroids....
Einstein-
The origin of Einstein is the Old Norse language. Einstein is a variation of the name Eynstein meaning "Stone Island"

Hawking-
Hawking is selling illegally on the streets.
Also means clearing deep phlegmy from the throat and then spitting the contents of the clearing out.

Telsa-
The SI-derived unit of magnetic flux density, equal to the magnitude of the magnetic field vector necessary to produce a force of one newton on a charge of one coulomb moving perpendicular to the direction of the magnetic field vector with a velocity of one meter per second. It is equivalent to one weber per square meter.

Archimedes-
The meaning of Archimedes is "contemplating, pondering".


Even those these asteroids have totally different meanings not related to science, they are still related to a scientist when used in astrology. (Except Tesla the words meaning is still dealing with science)

Just because it's new doesn't give you the right to debunk it immediately without research.
If ReadingTheStars is researching and finding connections, let them do that without you barging in to tell them how they are wrong! It's called research and it necessary! Do you know how many asteroids I've done this exact thing to and eventually found some very important ones that are now being used regularly?? A LOT!!
Im glad no one came along and tried to tell me I was wrong, well actually some did! I just ignored them, like I would do to you to if you did that to me.
If ppl had not researched long before you were even old enough to read let alone study astrology you would not have half the knowledge you do...so thank the researchers and allow them to continue without making them feel like their research is unnecessary because you believe you already have all the answers!

Every person that researched and comes up with theories is not always correct...the first time or every time, just look at Hawkings!
But the fact that they don't give up, they keep moving forward is what eventually proves to be their genius!

Thomas Edison...
"I have not failed 700 times. I have not failed once. I have succeeded in proving that those 700 ways will not work. When I have eliminated the ways that will not work, I will find the way that will work."

So leave ppl alone who are researching, I see so often you jumping in to tell ppl how they are wrong. Why??
Why not try being supportive and nurturing and tell them how what they are doing is a great effort and to keep up the good work? Your supposed to be into psychology?? That's pretty basic psyche on how to help grow instead of stunting their growth.

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posted March 23, 2015 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't like to see someone barking up the wrong tree. Asteroid research is in its infancy. It's important we are approaching the research properly. Rather than latching onto a suffix, to first research the prefix. And I agree that we shouldn't call these definitions. Some of the 'classics' aren't even fully understood. For crying out loud; the brand new ones?. I disagree. In my opinion, it's open season until we come to consensus. How on earth do we do that? We challenge.

I'm a scientist. It's what I do. I apologise if it offends. I recommend a slightly thicker skin and the understanding that nothing is a personal attack.

As to HAWKING? Obviously a surname and named for Stephen Hawking. Perhaps were we doing this research in a world where Hawking didn't exist, it wouldn't relate to him. It's also doubtful it would even exist.

Same for EDISON.

So I stand by the fact that INGRAM may make some weak links in charts of scientists is pure coincidence. This happens all the time. It's important that we don't lead ourselves astray.

The work that folks like ReadingTheStars do is important. They're the frontlines of this research! The initial explorers. It's simply crucial that we all understand that, and work together to contradict and disprove each other. It's how we learn!

That's at least how I do it. And I've really seen no issue with my approach.

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Sometimes you come off offensive to ppl....I'm sure your approach is just fine with the ppl who know you well and respect you but it's kind of harsh or very "Debby Downer/killjoy" for some who are newer and don't understand where your coming from. Why do you feel you must come across so contrary all the time? Lighten up a little so everyone has room to express themselves in their own way, even if it's not YOUR way.

Personally, I think taking asteroids and breaking them down to their base word and investigating it is a brilliant way to research. It's got to have some merit, so why not take a moment and try out their asteroid to see if fits with what you know, look at how their research and methods play out.
All im saying is show some support for their ideas. Give encouragement instead of criticism.
If their ideas work or not is not always the point or purpose ALL the time, sometimes just showing respect is most important.
Sometimes if you can believe it, showing respect and appreciation for someone's efforts MORE important than being right. Maybe it's your encouragement and support that will be all they need to keep moving forward and discover the next amazing asteroid.

Even if the research isn't done YOUR way....that doesn't mean it's wrong.
Give ppl room to be themselves, we can't all be you so let's try to appreciate others for their unique ways of investigating instead of acting as if it's wrong. It's not wrong, it's just different than what you perceive as an ideal way to research.

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Let's take TISIPHONE for example, Gabby. I'm still trying to understand this one. It's been years now. I'm in the midst of still developing an article of some kind on the point. I've certainly not forgotten about it; I'm just still working on it.

Most recently, it's taken me to a 1700s publication reissued in the early 19th century, in which TISIPHONE, along with the Erinyes, was thought to be mistranslated as a monster. There's actually strong evidence for her simply being perceived as evil due to inherent misogyny of the time! Can you believe it? The Egyptians were using the concepts they knew at the time; they weren't seen as dark, evil, or even disfigured. Their names are even related to certain features of the autumn season, as celebrated within that culture. 'Tsaphan' meant to 'enclose or hide'; 'Tseponeh' was the practise of culling wine within pitchers. Each of the sisters (Furiae) are actually related to the celebration of autumn -- that's where their names actually come from!

So I'm taking ALL of this into account along with her modern relationships and understanding. How the majority sees the purpose, concept, and duties of Tisiphone.

No doubt, she has this aspect in her astrological application (which is shown in her discovery chart) but there are facets, shades, and variations. Is it mostly punishing crimes against kin or murder? Or is it, most of all, punishing the crime of the murder of kin?

I believe that I'm finally zeroing in on her application in Soulmate relationships. It's taken a year! A year! Of almost constant contemplation, lots of meditating upon its meaning, and plenty of research.

That's to come, by the way. It's been quite a process.

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posted March 23, 2015 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand the deep investigation involved on these asteroids, I've spent many a neurotic night refusing to sleep until I found what I was looking for regarding some asteroids that I knew had a deeper meaning than it appeared, yes I've also spent a year or more on certain asteroids and themes...some are still rolling around in my head and I will find more information and post more about it.

Look at my "biblical asteroid" thread....finding the meaningful words and the astroids related to the words...esp Jewish and Egyptian words/places related, the meanings, how exactly they related ....it's no easy task!!

Your work is amazing, it speaks for itself....all I'm asking is if maybe you could be a bit kinder in the way you critique ppl on their research. I know your a deep thoughtful person but sometimes you come across as critical and judgmental, like all you focus on is the negative.
I don't believe that is who you are...I know you go through a lot with husband, TF, Guardian and the physical things you must deal with. It can't be easy to balance all that! I want others to see and know your not only brilliant but also empathetic, caring and appreciative of what others do...even if you are sure your ways are better. Just keep that inside and let them find out in their own way and time what's best. The most productive growth is made through trial and error, not by being told "your wrong".

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Gabby, I didn't think I flat out said that something was wrong, but that the approach could lead to incorrect determinations. And, yes, as one with a bit of Virgo in strong places, it certainly seems a waste of time to me, and I can be a bit cross.

It's true I've been dealing with a lot of anxiety as of late, likely a result of tSATURN coming back 'round on top of my MARS and MOON. Ugh. As if I really needed another round of that. So it tends to make one more focussed upon the negative, I suppose. Brass tacks. Rudimentary and pared down. I apologise if it makes me come across more critically. It may be more genuine that the lens through which I view everything is very Saturnine right now.

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