posted April 02, 2015 02:14 PM            

Oh, the majority can certainly determine a general direction for some of 'the majors'. But the minors? I don't think we're really going to get anywhere by arguing the nuances and differences.

Why?

Because most asteroids are named according to one single principle, concept, or idea held by the astronomer that discovered and named it. Many are simply unknown. Much like idioms, we can guess at the origins, but there may be lacking information; we can never completely find the truth. As a result, 'the truth' is relative, rather than absolute.

iQ says they should be utilised like the tarot. I never quite knew how I felt about that, and now I'm coming to agree with it -- more so than not. The trick, I think, is personal perception. Just as we perceive the world differently, and quite possibly, our personal reality, so can we find our perceptions of these interpretations to vary. Potentially, wildly.

Asking each other what asteroids mean is less worthwhile than sharing what they mean to us -- because it's OUR perception that MAKES the determination.

Am I off-base here? Because I feel like this is the right approach with the new, less investigated, more variable skyrocks that come to our attention.

posted April 02, 2015 02:53 PM            

I think as we are first discovering about asteroids, this is a great idea..

I think asteroids may resonate a bit differently with a few different people, but.. I believe that if we work collectively, we can eventually find at least somewhat of a common ground for the asteroids we find.

I think explaining our own experiences with the asteroids to begin with, is probably the most efficient way to learn about them though, as that is the only way we can really find any patterns.

I do believe, that when placed correctly, certain asteroids may give a different significance for one person, than they would someone else.. Just because, if someone has lets say, Kaali, with Morpheus.. That is probably going to give a different significance of those asteroids to that person, than with someone who has both of those asteroids not in aspect with one another..

(i'm not sure.. lol)

However, I do believe the name/etymology can hold at least a slight significance, considering that we as people.. and the 'Collective Consciousness' probably give a certain energy to specific names/words.. Therefore, the asteroid themselves somewhat embody that energy.

posted April 02, 2015 07:42 PM            

And yet, that's why it's important to support each other's fluid understanding and delineations of these bodies. The collective unconsciousness possessed and reinforced by all astrologers will eventually ascribe abstract meaning, which will give way to actual influence. But until that day, we're just learning.

And while we learn, I feel it's best we share how we're learning, and what.

I'd love to learn ALL views on TISIPHONE, for example, in my pursuit of understanding her operation in astrology. There's plenty of general information; we know she's an avenger of homicide -- but what exactly? And how does kin factor into the equation?

posted April 03, 2015 08:45 AM            

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posted April 03, 2015 08:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I think we will be the final -- and most accurate -- judge of our asteroids function in our charts.

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Absolutely. The same can be said for the planets in our charts. When we become aware of certain aspects or connections or Relationships between these points in our horoscope, it brings to our consciousness what has been hidden previously. It offers new opportunity to understand and recreate our experience.

posted April 03, 2015 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
When there is an ancient myth behind them, I think we should interpret them in relation to the myth.

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Absolutely, Lee.

posted April 03, 2015 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
I agree there is a collective consciousness, an experience or reality given to us, and this shows up in the astrology that has been given to us. But we so often ignore the individual consciousness that longs to escape what has been dictated and desires to create a new individual and/or collective experience.

Once we understand and really know what the collective experience is about, we can choose to follow the collective, or choose to embrace the creative potential that is unique within each of us. The key is work within the system in order to step outside the system.
The asteroids are offering us opportunities to step outside the system.

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posted April 03, 2015 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Interesting post, Aubyanne - maybe you're right. Although I can see LeeLoo's point about ancient myths too - but then some myths have several variants, so which one would one choose? Again, that might depend on one's personal viewpoint…

I have an interesting example to share re: personal meaning of general asteroids. I once found a particular asteroid with a name which is obviously derived from the name of my profession. Then, I found out that this asteroid had not only been named after that profession in general, but after my actual place of work - a place to which I've been tied, with interruptions, for twenty years now. Now guess where that asteroid is placed in my chart? It's conj. Saturn (orb 0°42), at the apex of a cardinal T-square, in the 8th house. Conjunct asteroid AETERNITAS, too, by 0°46. I do hope this doesn't mean I'll never work at another place! But seriously, isn't that odd?

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posted April 03, 2015 11:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I really, really appreciate that view. The collective unconscious (and Functionalism) is the way I find astrology 'works' actually.

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Thank you, Aubyanne.

And BTW, I'm looking into TISIPHONE for you, to see if anything shows up that may bring insight.

posted April 14, 2015 09:20 PM            

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iQ says they should be utilised like the tarot. I never quite knew how I felt about that, and now I'm coming to agree with it -- more so than not. The trick, I think, is personal perception. Just as we perceive the world differently, and quite possibly, our personal reality, so can we find our perceptions of these interpretations to vary. Potentially, wildly.

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Is that similar to saying they have no meaning, or am I misunderstanding you?

posted April 15, 2015 10:34 AM            

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Originally posted by VelvetPriestess:
Is that similar to saying they have no meaning, or am I misunderstanding you?

I suppose there is an argument that planets and asteroids get the names they are 'meant' to get. A magical theory perhaps, but who knows the nature of esoteric reality. What we know for sure, is that things are VERY weird, and lots of interwoven 'coincidences' make up what we think of as reality.

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posted April 15, 2015 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by VelvetPriestess:
Is that similar to saying they have no meaning, or am I misunderstanding you?

I suppose there is an argument that planets and asteroids get the names they are 'meant' to get. A magical theory perhaps, but who knows the nature of esoteric reality. What we know for sure, is that things are VERY weird, and lots of interwoven 'coincidences' make up what we think of as reality.

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I think that it depends. Certain asteroids are obvious, and we've already attributed certain meanings to planets, without question. Due to functionalism, it can easily be argued that the collective unconscious directs even more meaning towards certain points, and, if we study the discovery charts in depth, we tend to find how they operate.

So there's certainly meaning, but how it's interpreted is variable; what operates one way in a set of charts may be that way for different reasons. As such, it may have a different operation in another set.

posted May 02, 2015 01:07 AM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'm coming to a determination. Asteroids, to me, seem a bit like a slightly more definitive Rorschach test. Ultimately, they're likely no more absolute than the subject's interpretation of an inkblot. We can come to consensus on certain things to be sure, but it may be more useful, in general, to share [b]our interpretations, rather than seek them. I think we will be the final -- and most accurate -- judge of our asteroids function in our charts.

Oh, the majority can certainly determine a general direction for some of 'the majors'. But the minors? I don't think we're really going to get anywhere by arguing the nuances and differences.

Why?

Because most asteroids are named according to one single principle, concept, or idea held by the astronomer that discovered and named it. Many are simply unknown. Much like idioms, we can guess at the origins, but there may be lacking information; we can never completely find the truth. As a result, 'the truth' is relative, rather than absolute.

iQ says they should be utilised like the tarot. I never quite knew how I felt about that, and now I'm coming to agree with it -- more so than not. The trick, I think, is personal perception. Just as we perceive the world differently, and quite possibly, our personal reality, so can we find our perceptions of these interpretations to vary. Potentially, wildly.

Asking each other what asteroids mean is less worthwhile than sharing what they mean to us -- because it's OUR perception that MAKES the determination.

Am I off-base here? Because I feel like this is the right approach with the new, less investigated, more variable skyrocks that come to our attention.

Thoughts?[/B]

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We create the world with our perception of it.
When I first saw 3489 conjunct my ascendent I thought oh, that is short for my great grandmothers name. That makes sense she kept me while my mother worked when I was a toddler. Later I learned that my mercury turned rx on the degree of 3489 Heliocentrically and that my sp sun was conjunct Helio NN of 3489 at the same time I relocated so that my asc was same degree.It was there I first played the lottery.
The course of our lives is Written in the heavens to some degree or another,,lol
Lets see if 10961 comes up strongly in whoever wins the next U.S. election?