posted November 15, 2015 07:13 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I like it and think its perfect with the universal filter rule.

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Nah. It's outdated. A little too strict. It may not be including false positives, but it's also excluding otherwise legitimate cases. I mean, we don't even have one of those aspects, and are thus automatically excluded. So, that isn't right. Clearly, it needs some adjustment in some ways.

posted November 15, 2015 08:03 PM            

With my real twin flame we share multiple universal filter rule aspects:

His Amor conjunct my ASC
His Karma conjunct my Moon/Neptune
His Fortuna conjunct my Mars
His Tyche conjunct my Sun
His Valentine conjunct my Karma
My Angel conjunct his Venus
My Destinn conjunct his Saturn
My Valentine conjunct his Moon (no birth time but most likely)

posted November 15, 2015 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Too strict?

With my real twin flame we share multiple universal filter rule aspects ...

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That's ... not the Universal Filter Rule.

'ASCENDANT must be conjunct:

AMOR, VALENTINE, EROS, JUNO, NNODE, SATURN, KARMA, TYCHE, FORTUNA, DESTINN, or ASC, DSC, SUN, MOON, MARS, VENUS, PLUTO, UNION, or ANGEL (3º max)

Then -- ASC trine or opposite ASC, DSC, MOON, SATURN, SUN, or KARMA (2º max) -- is also valid.

So, the Rule is only applied in the case of the ASCENDANT with the aforementioned.

Really, the only aspect you have is AMOR conjunct ASC. But, hey, that's fine. One's all you need.

Anyhow, even still, it's too strict. I know it seems illogical, and I'm just whinging, but when it's not properly identifying legitimate couples and is incorrectly identifying those that aren't -- that's a problem. Then we have to question its accuracy.

Most of it's an orb issue, or the points seem to arbitrary. EROS, but not PSYCHE? Really? Maximum 3 orb for planets to ASC? Well, his ASC is within 5º of my MARS, so that'd be fine except it's 2º over, and, thus, invalid.

Or, why only MOON, SUN, SATURN and KARMA for the trine or opposition? Why not TYCHE or FORTUNA? Or DESTINN? Or any of the aforementioned before which must only be conjunction? I'm rather fond of his 0º TYCHE-FORTUNA trine my ASC, forming a lovely 0º grand trine. Ah, well.

posted November 15, 2015 08:55 PM            

But I still think its fine because twin flame synastry is really plain and simple. Plus I think a lot of people think they are with their true twin flame but aren't. I think its an ego thing, being in the moment and in love with that person and the disbelief they couldn't be with their real twin flame.

posted November 15, 2015 09:49 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
You're right I don't know why I read it that way.. Weird.

But I still think its fine because twin flame synastry is really plain and simple. Plus I think a lot of people think they are with their true twin flame but aren't. I think its an ego thing, being in the moment and in love with that person and the disbelief they couldn't be with their real twin flame.

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I agree. While I'd like to say it takes years to know, to really know, I can't help but realise how I was misled by so much of the 'literature' and information out there. If I'd just paid attention to what I already knew -- the truly exceptional, multidimensional things which I've never experienced with anyone else. The things that made me certain that he couldn't possibly exist. Nothing can change that.

posted November 15, 2015 10:14 PM            

I started calculating the total number with all aspects and kinda stopped at 59, but had not counted the trines with the asteroids, as I only consider conjunctions/oppos with the little bodies, so I'm sure it tops 60
And we got the 5 pts x 2 for two asteroid pairs - Persephone-Pluto exact conj, and Adonis-Innanen exact conj.
our Eros and Psyche are at a trine only, and at a wide 3 degree orb, so im not really considering that pair

Anyway, from the Universal rule-

ASC conj DSC
ASC conj Venus
ASC conj Sun
ASC conj Fortuna
ASC opposes North Node

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posted November 16, 2015 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Me and my guy have quite of the aspects mentioned in the universal rule.

And we got the 5 pts x 2 for two asteroid pairs - Persephone-Pluto exact conj, and Adonis-Innanen exact

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Yeah, I'm almost flabbergasted at how many I've had exact soulmate pairings with. All obviously karmic soulmates. And yet, what's got me the most is how I simply don't really have any 'soulmate pairings' with him.

That really gets me.

posted November 16, 2015 11:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Yeah, I'm almost flabbergasted at how many I've had exact soulmate pairings with. All obviously karmic soulmates. And yet, what's got me the most is how I simply don't really have any 'soulmate pairings' with him.

That really gets me.

It's almost as if we need to be using different techniques. I've recently acquired new data that allows me to explore a similar inexplicable relationship, where there was a multidimensional, astral connexion long before physical meeting.

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Auby,

are you trying to find some astrological proof that jack is some sort of karmic/ soulmate material, and you feel irked that none or little of the well spread techniques apply to your relationship? Well, maybe he is not.

posted November 16, 2015 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Auby,

are you trying to find some astrological proof that jack is some sort of karmic/ soulmate material, and you feel irked that none or little of the well spread techniques apply to your relationship? Well, maybe he is not.

You do have a very active PLuto in your synastry with him, and Pluto is known to create feelings of soulmatey characters, which are false if the rest of the charts do not support the thesis. It's stripped down to a mere obsession in such cases.

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Actually, I'm not questioning his and my connexion, Orange. Not at all. I'm going, 'hey, there's something wrong with this measuring stick!'

His and my experience goes beyond logic, and a conventional understanding of reality. I even began to fear it was truly unique until I began meeting a few others. I guess it was finally time to feel a little less alone in that regard!

In any case, I've learnt never to doubt that again. If something isn't showing what I think it should be, then I'll question why I'M thinking that. But if it's something that seems to be yielding results for others, I've got to ask why it's doing so there.

It goes beyond soulmates. It's true multidimensionality. I've lost track of how many lifelines in which we've known each other, and in what ways, and how. Everything in my life after my first NNODE Return led me to eventually meeting him. Everything. And to me, that's enough to question this calculator.

It really may be that these connexions operate on a very different level. From what I was doing yesterday, in my cursory research, the two others also don't 'make it past' the universal filter. Ugh.

posted November 16, 2015 12:58 PM            

Im going to hold you accountable for what you just said and make you eat your words IF after a while you come back and declare he is nothing short of a companion elf , instead of the karmic companion twinflamed soulmate title you currently bestowed him with.

Your 12 house Venus tends to do that to you.

posted November 16, 2015 01:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
^^^^
But of course

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posted November 16, 2015 01:40 PM            

of course asteroids don't solve the mystery of the soulmate on their own. I am like totally agreeing with that

posted November 16, 2015 01:41 PM            

Also, if we look at the word "soul" and "mate", I think both should be found in soulmatesynastry (I am not even talking about IQ`s calculator here anymore btw, just giving my own thoughts).

Now we can of course argue about where we find "soul" and "mate" astrologically (and isn`t everything in the chart really indicative of soul? What do we mean when we use the term? )

For me personally the soulfulness will be found predominantly in lunar symbolism (Moon-IC-Sun/Moon-mp, nodal axis etc. and of course with either solar or Saturnian connections as complement to bring it into expression and manifestation)

The "mating" symbolism is found (just my thoughts of course) in

Venus - DESC - Venus/Mars-mp, not sure what could be the complement to then nodal axis here. Maybe the Venus nodes? (yes planets have nodes, too).

and as complement of course Mars and the ASC.

also the 8th house is an interesting one, in that it combines a water house (indicative of soul) with the quadrant indicative of the partner (the mating symbolism) - and being a fixed house is prone to not only initiate something, delivering the spark, but also gives it duration.

One could muse about if the 5th house therefore gives consolidation to the soul of the 4th house (bringing it into more active expression) and in this regard the 8th house is the consolidation of whatever has been begun in the 7th house of meeting your other.

This to me is the skeletton (even though I have not thought of a calculator), and within that structure, the asteroids will fall into certain places.

No asteroid conjunction can substitute for the lack of aspects between luminaries, angles, nodal axis and to a degree venus and Mars (though the latter being more for romance)

posted November 16, 2015 01:55 PM            

What do you make of chart ruler conj the partner IC, which is Neptune in our case. Dawn doesnt speak highly of Neptune on angles in synastry. But in this case it is the chart ruler. Hmm

posted November 16, 2015 02:05 PM            

It brings the basic energy of partner A to the inner core of partner B.
I definitely think this is indicative of a possible soulmatefamily interrelation (I have also very often found the interconnection between DESC and IC or their respective rulers for that, in strongest cases including at least one conjunction to the angle itself, something like the ruler of IC and DESC conjunct and falling onto one person`s ASC or any of these variations).

Anyway I disgress, the fact that it is Neptune who is the chartruler is not lost of course. It describes the basic energy of partner A, and I guess it depends how partner B relaly deals with Neptune (look at his own chart to find out). This could either feel very very healing, soothing, like magic fairy dust, or confusing and somehow hard to grasp, which might drive certain characters crazy.

However he will deal with it though, you will certainly touch his soul; it just depends on what he makes of it, or the two of you.

Also it of course depends on how this conjunction is integrated in the synastry pattern in general, if it comes with a Saturn-square or Mars-opposition it might feel very different than if that Neptune had trines to Venus and Moon for example.

posted November 16, 2015 02:53 PM            

I like reading your analyses, not to mention your frequent researches.

Well, we are both Neptunians to a degree, so im sure my Neptune energy is appealing to him and so is his to me.
I have Asc in Pisces, he has Dsc in Pisces. My Sun ( men) square Neptune, his Moon ( women) square Neptune. His Venus is in Pisces as well, conj my Asc.
We both have a lot of Virgo in our natals, along with Saturn energy, so that keeps us grounded to a safe level.

posted November 16, 2015 03:32 PM            

I am glad you like my analysis.

"I have Asc in Pisces, he has Dsc in Pisces."

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" My Sun ( men) square Neptune, his Moon ( women) square Neptune."

THIS is what I mean with the natal pattern interlocking with each other.
You have complementary aspects involving your luminaries natally, and the complementing goes over Neptune; this is even more emphasiszed with the ASC-DESC-exchange.

But to bring that even more into manifestation and "energize" it (which is what aspects do actually), you also have the synastric aspects.

ASC-DESC-conjunction AND that Neptune, which is such an important planet for the two of you, making a soulconnection to IC.

Of course his Venus on your ASC is also a big one.

But the Neptune-theme is very clear in your chart and that you both resonate with it and it is part of your identity and partner pattern.

"I think my Neptune to his IC is like a direct wire to his soul, like a plug in."
Yes, that is a good description.