posted March 02, 2016 02:19 PM            

[In case you want to skip the *blah* ramblings and cut to the chase about what questions are being thrown out there by this thread, I've put an asterisk and made them bold for you. ]

Juno in mythology - daughter of Saturn, wife of Jupiter - is many things to many people. In Roman mythology, she is more of a military goddess and fertility goddess who protected her people. Imbued with the spirit of youthfulness and vigour.
What I wonder is:
*How did she come to be associated with the spouse archetype in astrology? Her major qualities seem to be, if not at odds with, but at least tangential to the symbolism of the spouse. (Well, apart from the fertility goddess thing - but that's not necessarily a spouse thing. ).

Her Greek counterpart Hera, seems more suited to be symbolism of marriage, doesn't she? Well, she was after all, the goddess of women and marriage...
*Thoughts on Hera?

Lastly, *what have your personal experiences been, with both or either of these asteroids in your relationships (with spouses or near-spouses)? Synastry/transits/major events.

posted March 02, 2016 11:45 PM            

I am terrible with mythology.

All I can tell you is, Juno has been pretty major in my life.

My Juno @ 19 Virgo. For a long time I thought I was going to marry someone whose sun was there.

My Juno is trine my husband's @ 21 Taurus, on my SN. Our composite Pluto is conjunct my Juno (trine his). Composite Juno-Mars-ASC very tight.

The day I married him:

My pr Juno 17.56 Virgo
His pr sun 17.56 Virgo

posted March 03, 2016 01:05 PM            

That is a pretty significant footprint. Maybe the *fatedness* of betrothal...?

posted March 03, 2016 01:57 PM            

I was just saying, that it was one of the things I was thinking about while making the thread...

posted March 03, 2016 05:39 PM            

That's interesting, Elysia. I've been suspecting that Juno-Saturn can delay marriage based on some charts I've seen (& their accompanying stories of course).

Makes sense if Cap Juno functions the same way. I'll keep an eye out for that.

posted March 04, 2016 01:51 AM            

I do need a 'grown-up', someone I can look up to. (*ahem* I have liked older men, maybe this is it).

But as for marriage, I've always (and still am) of the view that I don't ever want to get married. :/ (Which is why I was so surprised about that feeling with that Libra guy - never even fleetingly thought of anyone as marriage material).

posted March 04, 2016 03:09 PM            

Marriage can make a mess of things, that's for sure. I like that Cap Juno takes a somber view of it and isn't racing into anything.

I have more data for you. Aren't you glad I come from a big family?

My father's Juno 26 Leo
My mother's Juno 28 Aqua
My mother's sun 23 Leo

Brother #1 and his wife are both Sag Juno.

Brother #2

His sun 17 Aqua
His wife's Juno 17 Aqua (no lie!)

His Juno 15 Pisces
Her sun 7 Pisces

Brother #3:
He and his wife are both Juno in Capricorn; he's an Aries stellium, she's a Libra stellium. So Juno = midpoints, more or less.

posted March 05, 2016 04:56 AM            

And boy, am I glad you come from a large family. That's so much data! *filing away for future reference* You're a sweetheart to put that up. Usually, I know only one spouse's birth info, so i'm glad to see couples data.

There seem to be a lot of Juno-Sun contacts (just like Venus-Sun is so important for long-lasting connections).
Also a fair bit of Juno-Juno..

posted March 05, 2016 04:48 PM            

How young ARE you? So many brilliant young folks around here, it's confusing! Some of the teenagers are smarter than me.

Growing up with four brothers and a sister, it's probably just as you would imagine, with some fun times and sometimes feeling tormented and wishing to be left alone. (I'm the youngest by far...I think they didn't understand me, thought I was more like the new family pet )

posted March 05, 2016 10:15 PM            

I've noticed a lot of this in married couples, so far:

a) The two people have Juno in the same sign, or
b) One person's Juno is in the same sign as the other's sun, or
c) Juno aspecting Juno, tightly.

I randomly decided to look up Bill & Melinda Gates:

Both have Juno in Scorpio, and he's a Scorpio.

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Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward don't meet any of those criteria, but they have:

His Juno 8 Sag
Her sun 8 Pisces

Her Juno 17 Cap
His Venus 14 Cap

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George & Amal Clooney...

His Juno 9 Pisces
Her Juno 11 Cap

Her Juno widely trine his sun, and in the same sign as his moon.

posted March 06, 2016 08:34 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Have you noticed significant overlays of Juno to the 4th house in your research Faith? We have this overlay double whammy. Also in Davison Saturn-Juno conjunction in the 4th which Dawn Bodrogi said was a very good and reliable indicator of long term commitment potential.

Really appreciate these stats/observations. Grounding and calming for my brain's Juno-Centre

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Wow, that's nice! Wish we knew more people's birth times to have house overlays to compare.

@Faith, no, not that young! By quarter life crisis, I meant like a mid-life crisis but sooner. Considering a full 'life' as 100 years. But I'll cross the quarter mark this year. Not sure about the Uranus thing... it'll be squared a bit later than that I suppose.

Great data - especially Bill & Melinda Gates. They seem (touch wood) like such a meant-to-be, stable couple.

posted March 06, 2016 09:04 AM            

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Tom Hanks & Rita Wilson:
Tom Hanks: (Sun: 17° Can)
Juno: 14° Cap

Rita Wilson: (Sun: 3° Scorp)
Juno: 15° Cap

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Will Smith & Jada-Pinkett Smith:

Will Smith (Sun: 2° Libra)
Moon, Juno: 15° Scorpio
Mars: 2° Virgo

Jada-Pinkett Smith (Sun: 25° Virgo)
Moon: 14° Virgo, Juno: 9° Virgo, Mars: 12° Aqua
(Juno-Mars?)
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Meryl Streep & Don Gummer:

Meryl Streep (Sun: 0° Can)
Venus: 18° Can
Juno: 12° Can

Don Gummer (Sun: 20° Sag)
Venus: 17° Scorp
Juno: 2° Sag

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Hugh Jackman & Deborra-Lee Furness:

Hugh Jackman (Sun: 18° Libra)
Venus: 18° Scorp, Mars: 12° Virgo
Juno: 20° Scorp

Deborra: (Sun 15° Sag)
Venus: 9° Cap, Mars: 5° Scorp
Juno: 12° Sag

(Again Juno-Mars?)

posted March 06, 2016 10:15 AM            

Thanks for these examples, I guess they illustrate how irrelevant or minimal Juno can be. That's good to know too...we're not married to our marriage asteroid.

Though I still wonder what the other charts are like...where Juno was transiting when they married and stuff like that. But I'm not up for a long investigation this dreary morning.

posted March 06, 2016 02:04 PM            

Dad`s Juno in Mum`s 4th house

his Juno in Libra, she has no personal planets in Libra though

his Juno opposes her Jupiter under one degree though

Mum`s Juno in Dad`s 3rd house but conjunct IC under one degree

her Juno in Sagittarius - he has got no personal planets in Sagittarius, except for his IC.

her Juno sextiles his Jupiter with exactly 1 degree

her Juno sextiles his Venus under 1 degree

interestingly their marriage chart had an exact Venus-Juno-conjunction in their HELIO chart (for some reason I had the marriage chart in heliocentric. by accident. lol) And that helio Venus-Juno exactly conjuncts my tropical Moon and my middle brother`s ASC, and falls onto their tropical composite DESC

Anyway let`s have a look at the tropical marriage chart

exact Juno-Ceres-conjunction on 9 Pisces, near to Jupiter (5- 6 degree orb, so not a valid conjunction, but still noteworthy)

square Neptune and trine Moon

At the time of their marriage

Tr Juno conjunct my Mum`s MC-NN-conjunction exact

no really major aspect to my Dad`s chart excetp being quinkunx his n Mars-SN-conjunction and her n Saturn.

Tr Pluto conjuncts my Dad`s n Juno exact (on the exact degree of my n MC)

Tr Satrn and Tr Moon square my Dad`s n Juno

Tr Sun trine my Dad`s n Juno

Tr Jupiter square my Mum`s n Juno

and now it gets creepy

Tr Juno (9°10 Pisces) conjuncts their composite Jupiter (9°11 Pisces) in 8th house (ONE minute orb!!!!)

Tr Juno trines composite Juno (8°47 Scorpio) in 4th house

Tr Juno trines composite Uranus, DESC-ruler, in 11th house, and also squares their composite BML in 11th house

Tr Moon in their composite 11th house trines thehir composite Juno as well.

as for Davison

Tr Juno in their 8th house trines DESC-ruler Uranus exact and also sextiles Mercury exact

Tr Jupiter in their 8th house widely trines Davison Juno in 4th house at 3 degrees applying

Tr Mars in their 12th house widely trines Davison Juno at 3 degrees separating.

Of course that means there MUST be a midpoint picture.

Tr Mars/Jupiter-mp 17°40 Taurus
Davison Juno 17°57 Scorpio

Usually I do not really pay attention to transiting midpoints (maybe a mistake?) but in this case it of course is more than a fleeting transit as it is inscribed in their marriage chart. And Mars/Jupiter is THE marriage-midpoint and even more so the midpoint for having children together, procreation etc.

In this instance it is interesting to me as the Mars/Jupiter-mp in their marriage chart falls within one degree of my natal name asteroid, and my mom was already 3 months pregnant with me when they got married (and she emphasizes that she ALWAYS knew the name of her daughter, actually ever since she read that book, where the heroine had my name, when she was 14 years old, and well so I guess in a way my name was fated. )

my name actually not only bears relations to their Davison Juno but is square their Davison ASC as well (which means that Juno is square their Davison relationship-axis, so being on the near exact midpoint of their ASC/DESC-axis), even more so however their Davison DESC is conjunct my n Moon with just a degree

(btw their marriage chart`s ASC was conjunct their Davison ASC by only 4 degrees)

posted March 06, 2016 02:25 PM            

For him it was

Tr Juno on 18 Libra
widely conjunct his n Pluto (but over 3 degrees, which is a bit widish for such a specific date, especially if it is the only aspect)

(interestingly enough though the marriage chart itself has a close Juno-Uranus-opposition along the 11th-5th house axis, and Juno quinkunx Chiron on the IC in Pisces - which interestingly enough is going to be hit by the solar ecclipse. Which also will probably affect his BML as it is on 18 or 19 Virgo I believe)

As for his natal Juno, well Tr Venus and Tr Mars are or were sextile his n Juno, which is nice, but somehow I expected something stronger to be honest.

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For my best friend and her husband (married for 12 years, 4 children so far, and I wouldn´t exclude the possibility of a 5th one )

In the marriage chart itself:

Juno in Capricorn in 3rd house
opposes Saturn in 9th but very widely at 5 degrees
trines Jupiter in 11th but very widely at 4 degrees

However that Juno-Jupiter-trine, despite the orb is simply MINDBOGGLING

And that is why

Tr Jupiter conjunct her Sun in 4th exact
Tr Juno conjunct her DESC (2)

additionally...

Tr Juno square her Moon in 11th (2)
Tr Juno square her Venus-Mars-Pluto in 5th (2)
Tr Juno quinkunx her DESC-ruler Saturn in 3rd (2)

exact midpoints:

Tr Juno opposite her Moon/Juno
Tr Juno opposite her Jupiter/Ceres
Tr Juno opposite her Moon/Venus
Tr Juno opposite her Moon/Mars
Tr Juno oposite her Moon/Pluto
(you remember, I said FOUR children, right? )

The transiting Uranus-Node-sextile also was making a Yod with her n Juno on 9 Libra

For her husband it looks like this:

Tr Jupiter conjunct his Juno (1)in his 8th house
Tr Juno conjuncts his Sun exact in his 1st house
Tr Juno also widely conjuncts his ASC (4)

Tr Juno square his Jupiter (2) in his 3rd house
Tr Juno square his Pluto (2) in his 8th house

midpoint picture:
Tr Juno opposite his Jupiter/Pluto

Tr Venus square his n Juno exact
Tr Saturn sextile his n Juno exact
Tr Pluto square his n Juno exact

So it means their marriage chart has an exact Venus-Pluto-opposition and HIS Juno is on the midpoint (which reflects their natal synastry as of course his Pluto conjuncts her n Venus exact)

But seriously even the constellations I just named first is outstanding. That transiting Jupiter-Juno-trine falling in such a place that it triggers their synastric Sun(her)-Juno(his)-conjunction through Tr Jupiter, and their Sun-ASC(his)-DESC(her)-conjunction through Tr Juno.

posted March 06, 2016 02:52 PM            

In their Davison however Juno is conjunct Moon within 1,5 degrees in 11th house (in Virgo, falling onto my friend`s n IC)

sextile Uranus in 2nd house exact
trine Venus in 8th house (in Taurus how sweet)

square Mercury in 9th house

I guess they put their 5th house ruler URanus in 2nd house in opposition to the Taurus-Venus-Jupiter-conjunction in 8th house to good use by having as many children as possible.

and the Moon-Juno-conjunction in Virgo trine and sextile this opposition might have eased and smoothed things too (on its own I wouldn´t have thought a Venus-Uranus-opposition too promising, but they are a very stable couple, and considering she has Moon in 11th house and Uranus conjunct NN in 5th and he has Moon in Aquarius in 7th, along with Mercury in Aqua square Uranus I think, I guess their Uranianness had to come out somehow in the Davison. )

posted March 06, 2016 03:57 PM            

@ Ceri - Interesting, all of it.

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Tr Juno conjunct my Mum`s MC-NN-conjunction exact

Tr Pluto conjuncts my Dad`s n Juno exact (on the exact degree of my n MC)

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Wow! Are their natal Junos sextile then? And I see his Libra Juno aspects her Venus, her Sag Juno aspects his Jupiter...very nice.

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Tr Juno (9°10 Pisces) conjuncts their composite Jupiter (9°11 Pisces) in 8th house (ONE minute orb!!!!)

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Jupiterian wedding for a Jupiterian daughter soon after.

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In this instance it is interesting to me as the Mars/Jupiter-mp in their marriage chart falls within one degree of my natal name asteroid,

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LOL, that is very cool!

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Of course I'm a bit jealous of your best friend and husband for reasons already given 150 times...but I see now tr Juno was conjunct my natal Neptune on my wedding day (1), so I had a dream wedding after all....

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And Mars/Jupiter is THE marriage-midpoint and even more so the midpoint for having children together, procreation etc.

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My Mars/Jupiter MP = husband's nodes (less than 1°)

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As for his natal Juno, well Tr Venus and Tr Mars are or were sextile his n Juno, which is nice, but somehow I expected something stronger to be honest.

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Lukewarm aspects for a lukewarm marriage.

posted March 13, 2016 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
my parents
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Dad`s Juno in Mum`s 4th house

his Juno in Libra, she has no personal planets in Libra though

his Juno opposes her Jupiter under one degree though

Mum`s Juno in Dad`s 3rd house but conjunct IC under one degree

her Juno in Sagittarius - he has got no personal planets in Sagittarius, except for his IC.

her Juno sextiles his Jupiter with exactly 1 degree

her Juno sextiles his Venus under 1 degree

interestingly their marriage chart had an exact Venus-Juno-conjunction in their HELIO chart (for some reason I had the marriage chart in heliocentric. by accident. lol) And that helio Venus-Juno exactly conjuncts my tropical Moon and my middle brother`s ASC, and falls onto their tropical composite DESC

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