posted June 27, 2016 11:47 AM            

12th House Pluto, but less so

Nessus conj Mercury

Nessus in many,various aspects lol

There are others, too, but these come to mind first

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posted June 28, 2016 06:45 AM            

Violent fantasy, in most cases, is created through the mind's attempts to rationalise, validate, or purge, unwanted feelings of submission or domination.

So we are already far from birth and the birth chart, as it would take very specific types of experiences with others to create these urges.

I suspect you are more likely to see this in synastry than in the birth chart.

A thing to note about violent fantasy is that someone who experiences them will often be fixated on one or several people and these are the people who feature in the fantasies. So again, I think this is more likely to be found in a relevant synastry.

Someone who fantasies about raping their mother will not necessarily fantasise about raping their sister.

The fantasy can often (not always, some will rape indiscriminately with very broad criteria) be triggered by certain traits and physical attributes in the other.

So, again, synastry.

posted June 28, 2016 06:58 AM            

This understanding has carved a life path where I work with others who are walking through the dark of their own abuses.

It is a choice how you wield the power of any aspect.

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posted June 28, 2016 11:35 AM            

You cannot see how you will relate to another person by looking at a single natal. You need to see the interaction with the other's chart.

Sure you can see fantasy in a natal by analysing Neptune. Violence and sex? What are Mars and Pluto doing in relation to a stressed Neptune?

HOWEVER, most fantasy requires protagonists, so I believe this would be seen most strongly in synastry with the relevant object of the fantasy.

As for seeing EVERYTHING in the chart, that depends on the bias of the chart reader, Ami.

To see EVERYTHING in anything, we must take off our filters.
We have discussed Nessus before, and based on your "sight", I am destined to be an abuser of others.

Had I been naive, or vulnerable to other people's issues, that would have been a very harmful thing for me to take on board, and something that could have plagued me psychologically for a long time, given I was actually a SURVIVOR of abuse.

I say this now to protect other survivors of abuse with a prominent Nessus who may be damaged by your "opinion".

Now, who is REALLY being abusive here.

posted June 28, 2016 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Voix... ty {{ }} and Healing Prayers and Support for every Survivor here. Abuse is SERIOUS whether you're being innocently~accidently accused of the wrong-doing, or you've BEEN the victim of others.

It's GOOD to see Survivors standing up for what is Right.... Too many hurt people in this world.

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posted June 28, 2016 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:

We have discussed Nessus before, and based on your "sight", I am destined to be an abuser of others.

Had I been naive, or vulnerable to other people's issues, that would have been a very harmful thing for me to take on board, and something that could have plagued me psychologically for a long time, given I was actually a SURVIVOR of abuse.

I say this now to protect other survivors of abuse with a prominent Nessus who may be damaged by your "opinion".

Now, who is REALLY being abusive here.

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Thank you for being so clear, Voix.

posted June 28, 2016 01:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Thank you for being so clear, Voix.

So sorry for your hard life and its troubles.

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Hiya Faith, you're welcome.

posted June 29, 2016 11:36 AM            

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posted June 29, 2016 05:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This reminds me of an article I want to write to put Nessus with the various moons. I think Nessus would play out differently with different Moons. My research indicates that

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posted June 30, 2016 04:50 AM            

I've definite power issues but I mostly invert them within. The tension is quite something, though. I need to project that onto someone a lot.

Sun opp Pluto .. Is about power & the aura of power but I'm not sure it would channel into those fantasies, it's more on the concrete level. Saturn probably would incubate that kind of need for power into those fantasies, more, IMO. But I don't know which asteroids .. Waldemath, I agree with

posted June 30, 2016 07:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
So much for Nessus!

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It's an extreme asteroid and most people aren't that extreme.

Edit

I was told that I sounded angry in my comment here. I didn't feel angry, and I apologize if I offended anyone.

posted July 02, 2016 03:58 PM            

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posted July 02, 2016 04:36 PM            

You have some wise people pulling for you.

posted July 02, 2016 08:00 PM            

Well, as I am thinking about this stuff I don't really think person with prominent Nessus will ALWAYS be an abusive ******* .
We should remember that us humans have free will. And evolved person won't be swayed by Nessus as easily as ... i don't know... some random dude whose only meaning of life is drinking protein shakes and screwing 10/10 hot "sloots" (as ******** like that say).

The guy (yes, it's my beloved Taurus ) I'm talking about, seems to be genuinely nice and warm person. But who knows, I still don't know him THAT well...

posted July 03, 2016 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Sorry, Ami. I will try to be less obnoxious in the future.

You have some wise people pulling for you.

I hope you will make them proud.

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That is so sweet, Faith. It makes my heart warm.

I sprained my ribs doing yoga and I am really sad and that lifted me up

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posted July 03, 2016 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by florence:
12th house Pluto does sound a good indicator. I might have this in equal house system and I'd normally leave it as a maybe but the description of it is so relevant to me, I would shift my chart to that house system on that alone.

I've definite power issues but I mostly invert them within. The tension is quite something, though. I need to project that onto someone a lot.

Sun opp Pluto .. Is about power & the aura of power but I'm not sure it would channel into those fantasies, it's more on the concrete level. Saturn probably would incubate that kind of need for power into those fantasies, more, IMO. But I don't know which asteroids .. Waldemath, I agree with

I wonder if something like kaali could become interpreted in this way?

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kaali is your body energy/energy system. If you ever studied acupuncture, it works on this. The aura is part of this etc

Kaali is important especially if it is too OUTER like conj the ASC .

In this case, the person may get very tired around people because the inner energy is too outer xxxx

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