posted July 13, 2016 11:22 PM            

Hope you saw, thought it was too odd to leave up.

posted July 14, 2016 06:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Have this with my husband, Vertex-Kaali exact in Scorpio.

Hope you saw, thought it was too odd to leave up.

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Hi Faith, thanks for responding. Did you post something odd? I didn't see it, I am only back on now, as I am in UK, so you posted when I was sleeping.

posted July 14, 2016 08:32 AM            

Our composite NN-Mercury-Neptune conjunction is nearby (17-21 Scorpio).

http://cafeastrology.com/vertex.html
http://mysticmedusa.com/2014/05/asteroid-kaali/

I'll try to describe this more generally so I don't feel the need to delete it later.

I think his Vertex strengthens, develops, elicits my Kaali...and he is drawn to that energy for karmic reasons. So, when I exhibit Kaali-type behavior, he is not fighting back, more like seeing himself totally wound up in it, deserving it, and a part of it. There is something very personal in it, to him...he is known and drawn close by having someone "target" him so precisely. And that can paradoxically be healing.

He "deserves" it not in a narrow sense, because of whatever he may have done to me...but because of anything he may have done wrong in his life. I'm stimulating his social conscience in other words. Vertex is like a second DSC, so I assume it's sensitive about how it's engaged with other people and still engaging with them energetically through memories. My Kaali there energizes, challenges, and punishes his storehouse, often without my conscious cooperation even. There have been times when my energy just fired out of me without my choice. (I edited out details about that, in my post above.)

I think Vertex-Kaali can be quite hot and maybe even addictive in a romantic/physical context.

Carried over to mother-daughter, I don't know how it would play out, except there may be a sharpening of each other's Kaali-type energy when you interact...where you could shock each other back and forth in a highly focused and personal way, such that it reminds you deeply of who you are, what you are, where you come from. What you need and what you need to stay completely away from. There could be an education in that.

Because, I'm thinking, Kaali isn't just about exploding randomly in a temper tantrum, at best it's more like a contained and intelligent detonation, with deliberate effect. And yes I do think some of that could be karmic and "payback"...not just for what you do to each other....but how you live your whole lives, and how you mete out karma to others as part of our whole global karma-exchanging network.

posted July 14, 2016 09:07 AM            

"what you need to stay completely away from".

She tried to live through me when I was wee, and the expectations were ridiculous and so utterly alien that I failed miserably at being her catalyst.

Thank you for sharing your experience Faith, I think I am having the beginnings of understanding it now.

posted July 14, 2016 09:39 AM            

Yes, I'd say Kaali/Vertex is nice in a partnership, but exhausting if other factors are not supportive of the relationship's emotional and spiritual health. It can easily go bad.

posted July 16, 2016 10:34 AM            

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posted July 17, 2016 05:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
That's really interesting how you describe it, sounds perfectly accurate and fitting... but so sad .

Yes, I'd say Kaali/Vertex is nice in a partnership, but exhausting if other factors are not supportive of the relationship's emotional and spiritual health. It can easily go bad.

Hope others have experiences to contribute here.

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posted July 17, 2016 05:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:
well I have this Natal but

in synastry I had my Kaali/Vertex conjunct his Kaali and it awakened the Kundalini for both of us quite explosively, and unfortunately at the time I did not know anything about Kundalini. It was intoxicating, psychic, otherworldly, but also highly unstable to be around each other for too long, and eventually destructive for both of us.

I think that Vertex brought a whole other realm into this experience, he often said that he feels unbelievable energy from me and that it makes him feel like everything is possible, I think he was getting high on my energy lol. However, I don't think this is a good placement of Vx when Kundalini factors in, unless you have full awareness of what is going on, because it also opens the astral plane where all kind of nasty can find its way in. That's my view anyway.

He ended up pulled into dark places with horrid horrid dream experiences,and he plunged into addictions. His Kaali falls in 9th H.

I had adverse physical symptoms and an explosion of psychic experiences, I could not cope with all the negative energies coming at me and I could feel some vile things from him. At the time I didn't know what it all was nor that I can block it, I was so low on energy and I cried constantly. My Kaali/VX in 7th H.

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Hey Nova,

posted July 17, 2016 05:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Hey Nova,
that's an interesting experience and interpretation.
I am not too versed on kundalini awakening, but you may wish to check out some of iQ's threads on the EARLY awakening of kundalini and how it can be problematic.
It seems this is what happened in your relationship?

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Forgive me, i was posting my story at 3am lol... let me clarify:

I fully agree with you and Faith that VX/Kaali in synastry can be uplifting or draining, depending on circumstances.

However, let's not forget that Vertex axis is also a gateway to other dimensions ... Alice McDermott writes " I described the Vertex axis as a ‘doorway’ that gives access to other realities. The doorway of the Vertex axis can open to many different worlds. It can describe that which delights, that which gives a touch of magic to life, as well as that which can bring terror and horror. The Vertex axis tends to intensify anything with which it has contact.
Planets in close contact with the Vertex Axis will often describe people, life forms, ideas and objects that have a profound effect on us or are instrumental in opening new doorways of perception for us. I mention life forms because people have described angels, ghosts, spirits, animals, trees, mountains and many other life forms as part of their extraordinary Vertex axis experiences. From listening to these peoples’ stories I have come to the conclusion that the Vertex axis can bring intensely shamanic experiences at times."

posted July 17, 2016 05:54 PM            

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posted July 20, 2016 06:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:

Forgive me, i was posting my story at 3am lol... let me clarify:

I fully agree with you and Faith that VX/Kaali in synastry can be uplifting or draining, depending on circumstances.

However, let's not forget that Vertex axis is also a gateway to other dimensions ... Alice McDermott writes " I described the Vertex axis as a ‘doorway’ that gives access to other realities. The doorway of the Vertex axis can open to many different worlds. It can describe that which delights, that which gives a touch of magic to life, as well as that which can bring terror and horror. The Vertex axis tends to intensify anything with which it has contact.
Planets in close contact with the Vertex Axis will often describe people, life forms, ideas and objects that have a profound effect on us or are instrumental in opening new doorways of perception for us. I mention life forms because people have described angels, ghosts, spirits, animals, trees, mountains and many other life forms as part of their extraordinary Vertex axis experiences. From listening to these peoples’ stories I have come to the conclusion that the Vertex axis can bring intensely shamanic experiences at times."

So, with Kaali commanding a powerful energy and Vertex being a very personal energetic point, the conjunction of these two in less than favorable circumstances such as in the case of Kundalini awakening while in a relationship, can have unpredictable consequences for the Vertex person. So my story, as per invitation to share experiences, describes such an experience, perhaps a little extreme I agree, nonetheless a valuable warning.

In my story mentioned, His Moon/Lilith was squaring my Kaali and my Moon was squaring his Kaali. This opens possibility of psychic attacks from the Astral Plane (ref.iQ), placing my VX in a vulnerable position .. of becoming an energy meal, among other things. And if the partner, as in my case, is a shady character, the possibility of entities going through him to get to you is more than likely.
All I am saying is, be aware who touches your Vertex as this is one of the most vulnerable points in your chart.

As for your question of EARLY awakening ...
Remember that at the time I had no knowledge of kundalini concept, nor it is a prerequisite for readiness. Kundalini energy is hard to handle in any situation. When in a close intimate relationship it is harder to control and stay balanced, as one is usually open to the energy field of a partner, especially the sacral chakra (the seat of emotional balance).

At the time of this relationship, the grand cardinal cross in the sky (of Quantum Gateway) had Transiting Jupiter square Transiting Uranus, but that Transiting Jupiter also squared my Natal Uranus - this is a Kundalini awakening aspect. My Natal Uranus is on my ASC. This Quantum gateway Cross hit all angles of my chart.
There was also lunar eclipse (1st of the tetrad) around that time on my Vertex axis, Moon positioned on the Antivertex point and Sun on the Vertex point.
A fated event, you can almost say it was expected being on the Antivertex end.

ok I think I rumbled long enough :-)

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No, no, not rambling.
I am still understanding how the Vertex is operating in my synastries, so it is helpful to consider this.

Again the nature/evolution of the other is of utmost importance in how this conjunction is expressed.

My mother had/has some serious emotional problems, combined with total denial of them, so she is indeed dangerous if receiving anything through her Vertex. I can totally see it like a suction tube that is never satisfied!

But yes, I imagine this could be intensely shamanic in a positive experiential sense if in a safe, loving, responsible relationship.

posted July 20, 2016 10:02 AM            

I think the transits play a major role with Vertex, so I monitor the transits around my Vertex axis to get in readiness mode .
I have Uranus approaching my Vertex, in 7th house, and Pluto still rx just barely past my IC squaring DSC... I can feel something at the door:-)

posted July 20, 2016 10:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:
No worries Voix :-)

I think the transits play a major role with Vertex, so I monitor the transits around my Vertex axis to get in readiness mode .
I have Uranus approaching my Vertex, in 7th house, and Pluto still rx just barely past my IC squaring DSC... I can feel something at the door:-)

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