posted September 10, 2016 09:52 PM            

My life has been a singular struggle to find my own voice. You see, Echo does not have her own voice. She exists as a shadow for Narcissus. Echo does not care for her own individuality. She only cares to make the object of her dreams, Narcissus, love her. The drive of a human being for personal development and forward movement in the world may be lost to Echo.

Of course, Echo does not have to co- exist with Narcissus in a natal chart. Echo is it’s own Asteroid and has it’s own properties.

I suppose the sad thing about Echo is that she will find a Narcissus because this is how she views herself: as someone’s appendage. There are no shortages of Narcissus’ when an Echo is looking for one. The asteroids archetypes lie deep in our unconscious until we dredge them up, usually with the help of Astrology. Many are the Jungian archetypes. I do not, personally, see how a therapist can help someone, as profoundly as needed, without the aid of the chart. The chart is like a recipe detailing oneself. One needs a natal chart,as surely as one needs a recipe to make a gourmet meal.

Back to Echo. I think Echo is a factor in depression. If one cannot sing one’s own song, one will be depressed. Echo sings the song of the beloved, not herself. She mourns for the beloved because she does not exist without him. The beloved may have been a parent, and often is. The person with the prominent Echo looks for the parent in anyone and everyone.That is the nature of Echo, in my humble opinion.

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posted September 12, 2016 01:51 PM            

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posted September 16, 2016 08:18 PM            

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Originally posted by MermaidDreamz:

Sort of like Ying/Yang, Ami. She looks for him to 'complete' her?

I looked at my natal, she doesn't aspect Narcissus and her closest aspect would be to my Uranus/MC but that is just over 2°.
-I'll look in synastry for aspects with my husband.

Wow, well this is interesting. My Venus BQs his Echo, and our Narcissus are conj 0°. By that we look like like we are self involved and it stands to look accurate. (Unless I misunderstand this) We have our own interests, he is not into Astrology or the arts of any kind and I'm not into his sports. We are the epitome of opposites, yet we do blend as a couple very well with the simpler similarities.

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M, if people are born close in time, the asteroids will conjunct

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posted September 16, 2016 08:19 PM            

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Originally posted by MermaidDreamz:

Sort of like Ying/Yang, Ami. She looks for him to 'complete' her?

I looked at my natal, she doesn't aspect Narcissus and her closest aspect would be to my Uranus/MC but that is just over 2°.
-I'll look in synastry for aspects with my husband.

Wow, well this is interesting. My Venus BQs his Echo, and our Narcissus are conj 0°. By that we look like like we are self involved and it stands to look accurate. (Unless I misunderstand this) We have our own interests, he is not into Astrology or the arts of any kind and I'm not into his sports. We are the epitome of opposites, yet we do blend as a couple very well with the simpler similarities.

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posted September 17, 2016 05:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:
I wonder how applicable is this asteroid considering that James Ferguson had initially named this asteroid "Titania", not realizing that name was already used for a satellite of Uranus.

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This is a good point, and a point that is true for the whole of asteroid astrology, which is very much in its infancy.

It would be easier if the energy attached to the names given, had a real present-time story behind them, a *reason* for that name being given other than just someone fancying the name.

I agree with you it is important to consider the intent of the person who named the asteroids, because in many cases it was a purely random act.

I guess some may think there is no such thing as a random act, and this is where we get a blind acceptance of interpretations. Doesn't bode well for astrology as a science, unless we can rigorously test those interpretations using scientific methods, and share that research.

The problem with much of the research on astrology is that is is self-report, and the methods are not robust enough to produce reliable or generalisable results.

posted September 17, 2016 06:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:

Originally posted by Novabronte:
I wonder how applicable is this asteroid considering that James Ferguson had initially named this asteroid "Titania", not realizing that name was already
used for a satellite of Uranus.

[B] This is a good point, and a point that is true for the whole of asteroid astrology, which is very much in its infancy.

It would be easier if the energy attached to the names given, had a real present-time story behind them, a *reason* for that name being given other than just someone fancying the name.

I agree with you it is important to consider the intent of the person who named the asteroids, because in many cases it was a purely random act.

I guess some may think there is no such thing as a random act, and this is where we get a blind acceptance of interpretations. Doesn't bode well for astrology as a science, unless we can rigorously test those interpretations using scientific methods, and share that research.

The problem with much of the research on astrology is that is is self-report, and the methods are not robust enough to produce reliable or generalisable results.

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Thank you for putting it so eloquently !

But suppose if the theory of no accidentality is true, then one would have to admit, by the same logic, that it was not a random act that Ferguson named it Titania first, and then one would have to consider how this changes the nature/story of the asteroid. Titan sisters were children of Uranus.
What a mess !

posted September 17, 2016 09:15 AM            

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posted September 17, 2016 09:26 AM            

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