posted November 20, 2016 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
A subject of much confusion.

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Exactly, Randall. I gave up and just use the Lilith asteroid, which I see as raw sexuality

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posted November 22, 2016 07:28 AM            

Asteroid Lilith - represents struggles with social judgements and fitting in with norms or what is expected, especially regarding sexual matters and matters relating to feminine norms. Sometimes elicits feelings of shame and unworthiness about one's own "deviant" tendencies; other times elicits rebellion like "Oh, so you think I'm deviant, well I'll SHOW you deviant!! ... and what you gonna do about it, hmmm?". Can also be projected by being attracted to someone who likes being "lilith" or wants you to be a little left of centre.

Waldemath Lilith or Dark Moon Lilith - a mysterious dust cloud that is thought to be like a second moon orbiting the earth, but unlike the normal moon it absorbs instead of reflects light. It is that dark space inside you - your inner vampire - that absorbs and identifies with all the negative stuff you take in and cannot share or reflect outwards in your normal everyday physical and emotional interactions. It can contain self-destructive impulses; or alternatively there is the possibility of using it creatively in some way (art, writing, music ??) to release the festering demons to cleanse your inner space and maybe even help others in the process.

posted November 23, 2016 01:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
A subject of much confusion.

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Word.

posted November 23, 2016 07:48 AM            

I've seen asteroid Lilith described by some of the original asteroid astrologers as 'actual victimization' -- where Lilith IS the victim in those circumstances. (The way it fits into my chart, conjunct Persephone in my H2 Capricorn and all the other freaky aspects and asteroids connected with personal planets reveals so much of the same theme to me.)

On a different note ----

There's a system of astrology that utilizes the nodes and liliths for personal and spiritual development. It's part of a metaphysical esoteric system of thought and philosophies.

Many folks here are brand new to astrology, and just beginning to become familiar (even to asteroids). It takes practice and experience to really understand it. Asteroids are not as superficial as presented here sometimes, but, it's a start. And we all have to 'start' ~somewhere. Hopefully, as you mature in the study and really grapple with the meanings, you will more accurately be able to utilize asteroids in the charts. Just, be careful. Have fun with asteroids... but please be very careful how you apply it. Asteroid studies are delicious, but can be a slippery slope too.

I never cease to wonder and be amazed with asteroids, and points, and how eerie they can be. But!, just LET them 'be' the observed, and practice knowing without 'judging', as you learn to handle it.

Some may not even be familiar with esoterics.

Here's an introduction to a system that uses nodes/liliths in personal and spiritual development. If you click on the 'channel' you'll find other vids.

DIAMOND ASTROLOGY

(topic) What is Diamond Astrology? An introduction to Metaphysical Luminaries (Monique Leurink) [5:39] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4tkWYyn3yQ

posted November 23, 2016 09:50 AM            

Regarding my Lilith interpretations - I never get my interpretations from a single source. It is always a combo of research into the myths, Astrological interpretations by other people, astronomical factors, and personal observation .... Then applying a mix of logic and intuition to whatever seems to make sense. So... Whatever I say is never meant to be definitive, it is merely a reflection of wherever my personal understanding happens to be at a particular moment in time and it will no doubt evolve as new insights are found.

posted November 23, 2016 04:44 PM            

I'm sure you'll find a lot of good information delving into the Diamond (Daemon) Astrology.

I had heard this person speak on a free webinar I attended. She blew my gemmy mind! I went a little further and explored a few more videos and her website.

I've heard other people do vids on Diamond Astrology. To me, they didn't seem to carry the 'HD' level of her revelation and Understanding of this. (I'm a kind of connoisseur of types of spiritual energies... because I've Known that realm, and I'm hungry.)

She stepped into a flow that evening-- or at least, what I 'experienced' of her that evening. I don't think the specific video of what I heard is available?
... In what I perceived that evening, there was a mystical opening that occurred. She spoke her words in it, through it.

(Haha, sometimes it's hard for me to find proper words.... For weird-clarity, the use of wrong phrases, or, 'bad english', seem to help make the explanations expand more?)

As far as teachers and their pupils go, teachers can deliver their Deep Wisdoms, but perhaps only a few are able to capture the nuances in a holistic way--- then be able to teach others. I remember master classes in music (voice), where the teacher's Teacher was there. Big difference between a former pupil who is 'just passing on the info and exercises' as a curriculum, as they were taught--- and, the former-pupil who 'owned it' and became another Original.

I think it takes a level of already having had maybe a group of mini-mystery experiences before you sit at the Cosmic Table to 'receive' what's available from someone who's touched The Thing That Is Bigger than that.

Not claiming to have achieved all-that-much. But what I Know, I know. And it's wonderful when you can find and be with other people who have a sense of loving mission they hold-space with inside.

posted November 23, 2016 08:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
Can someone explain to me why there has to be 4 different Liliths? It's extremely confusing. I have to reference descriptions of each Lilith every time I want to use her.

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posted November 23, 2016 11:50 PM            

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Maybe that confusion and the different sides of Lilith can be brought into the interpretation. Maybe that's part of the energy. Like how I often think it works that Pluto was demoted as a planet astronomically but not astrologically - it fits with the hidden nature of it and the energy that that would happen

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It may be that most people just want to complicate things that shouldn't be difficult to grasp. It's perfectly understandable. I do it myself. But, even if that's the nature of the energy, it seems more complicated than it needs to be.

I think renaming the different Liliths to something easier to work with would be the best compromise. I'm not sure that even advanced astrologers are necessarily able to understand the different Liliths. Perhaps some can, but in my opinion the four Liliths are a result of making women out to be some kind of alien sex when in reality women are also human.

There may be biological differences between males and females, but we do have similarities with men too. There's no reason to act like women are that complicated or even that Lilith has to be represented in a way that not even women can comprehend.

All I'm saying is I don't know why things have to be so complicated considering there aren't 4 different calculations for most things used in astrology. Lilith is the only example I can think of and maybe cultural deities with counterparts that represent the same thing in other parts of the world - like how Venus and Aphrodite are pretty much the same goddess being represented in different cultures. Still, there aren't 4 Venuses or 4 Suns or 4 Moon placements for the same moon. There are 4 Liliths and this is kind of weird to me.

posted November 24, 2016 05:04 AM            

Just how complicated that was made me feel defeated somewhat by Lilith, as an archetype. It's a good point that women aren't more complex but it does seem our image is more fragmented in the media for example. I suppose that can be said of men too. I do feel the sheer frustration of trying to fix Lilith is something to do with the meanings though

posted November 26, 2016 01:44 PM            

"You want it darker"