posted December 01, 2016 04:42 PM            

This is a reader’s question and a great one.. Dejanira is the asteroid of the victim. Each person has each and every asteroid. The difference is in the prominence. A prominent Dejanira will make for abuse. People get angry when I am so definitive. What do you want me to do, cloud everything until my article becomes the kind of mush that dominates most of the field of Astrology? Not me, I will call it as I see it. The reader is free to read or not, but I will not succumb to political correctness *SIGH*

With that out of the way, let’s get started. Dejanira is Asteroid Number 157. One can find it by adding the number 157 to the extended chart option on Astro.com. There are many ways to derive information from the placement of Dejanira in your chart.. First of all, any asteroid that touches PERSONAL parts of the chart is personal. This may seem self explanatory. The personal parts of the chart are as follow—The Ascendent, Descendent, MC, IC, Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus and Mars.

Saturn, Jupiter and Chiron are not considered personal planets, so I would put them on a secondary level of importance. Neptune, Pluto and Uranus are generational planets, so would be on a tertiary level. Hence, if Dejanira conjuncts any personal part of the chart, at 3 degrees or lesser oeb, one has a prominent Dejanira. I will add something else here. The Child Asteroid(Number 4580) seems to be a powerful indicator of one’s childhood. When Dejanira conjuncts the Child Asteroid, abuse, always, seems to occur.

So, one must ascertain the location of the Dejanira Asteroid, with respect to one’s personal planets. Dejanira seems to make for more of a victim when it touches passive planets such as the Moon and Venus. The Ascendent seems to be a particularly hard placement for Dejanira, as well. I would rank the Dejanira placements, in terms of difficulty as follows. The hardest placement is Dejanira conjunct the Moon. Second would be Dejanira conjunct the Ascendent. Third may be Dejanira conjunct Venus. In the case of Dejanira conjunct the Moon, I have seen Borderline Personality Disorder in almost all cases. If one does not have BPD, one has sustained severe childhood abuse, usually sexual. This is my experience working with hundreds of charts.

Dejanira conjunct the Sun seems to bode for a life of being a victim, but it does not seem to wound as deeply as the above placements. The same seems to hold true for Mars and Mercury. The Sun and Mars are what are called active planets. This is what the Chinese call yang planets. Hence, the person does not seem to take the victim mentality as deeply. However, Dejanira conjunct any personal planet may set the native down the path of victim hood through no fault of her or his own.The person did not choose his chart. He has the power to respond, only. All charts can be overcome by God, too.

I don’t look too closely at Dejanira by House. This is due to the fact that asteroids assume prominence when in exact conjunctions and other aspects such as trines and squares, if the orb is very small( one to two degrees) Conjunctions are always the strongest aspects. Let’s look, a bit, at Dejanira by house. The 1st house may bode for one to be a victim, more than other houses. The reason is that we wear our 1st house on our sleeve. Any planet or asteroid that resides in the 1st house will be part of our outer apparel. Hence, with Dejanira in the 1st house, one may have the “vibe” of being a victim. Dejanira in the 12th House may be be a person who hides the victim part of himself. This native may even victimize others because he is suppressing his own victim nature. Dejanira in the 7th may be a person who is victimized in marriage. Dejanira in the 10th may be a person who is victimized in his job or by society, in general. Dejanira in the 11th may be a person who is victimized in groups. This is not a look at every house but just an idea of how Dejanira may behave in the houses.

Dejanira would, also, play a large role in the person’s life, if it were conjunct the North Node. In fact, I should have added this to the personal placements because it is one of the most personal. The NN is one”s purpose. Hence, any asteroid which conjuncts the NN will show one’s purpose. With Dejanira, one will learn the lessons of being a victim. Hopefully, one can transmute the lessons into helping others after one has learned them, himself. However, this will not happen until one masters them on one’s own.

Dejanira conjunct the Vertex and the Anti-vertex are prominent points, also. Dejanira conjunct the Vertex means that victims will come to you. Dejanira conjunct the Anti-Vertex means that you will come to others as a victim.

Once again, I know I have not covered everything but will stop here, so the article does not get too long.

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posted December 05, 2016 08:03 AM            

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posted December 05, 2016 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
How was your childhood. PT?

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Ami Anne, was beautiful (Sun, Mercury and Venus in 4th house). I was a beloved child, but I had an absent father, and that was painful for me. An uncle was my "dad" for these years not to feel this absent.

Now that I can remember in elementary school, I suffered a kind of "intimidation" because some friends took my lunch by force and threatened me by telling the teacher and my mother that I said "rude words". I felt intimidated and I kept quiet.

When I became a teenager, that behavior changed. I began to defend myself.

posted December 05, 2016 02:01 PM            

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posted December 06, 2016 09:40 PM            

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Originally posted by yota13:
I have dejanira conjunct my midheaven in pisces.. almost exact What does this mean?

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Welcome Yota!

This may be abuse that can be seen by others i.e known by others.

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posted December 06, 2016 09:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Ayelet:
A friend of mine has Dejanira conjunct her ascendant exact. What does it mean?
By the way, what is the widest orb for a conjunction for an asteroid? I don't mean to divert from the subject, it's just that Dejanira is 8 degrees away from my moon...

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2-3 tops in a conjunction

If this person has it conj the ASC, she was likely bullied as a child, the closer the orb, the more so.

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posted December 06, 2016 10:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ayelet:
[b]A friend of mine has Dejanira conjunct her ascendant exact. What does it mean?
By the way, what is the widest orb for a conjunction for an asteroid? I don't mean to divert from the subject, it's just that Dejanira is 8 degrees away from my moon...

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2-3 tops in a conjunction

If this person has it conj the ASC, she was likely bullied as a child, the closer the orb, the more so.

Thank you. She was bullied and neglected by her family (Edit: more neglected than bullied, but horribly so. She is indeed a victim).

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posted December 06, 2016 11:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Welcome Yota!

This may be abuse that can be seen by others i.e known by others.

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posted December 14, 2018 04:23 PM            

I have looked at my solar returns from my birth til now (mid 20ies) and in each and every SR Dejanira is 5H or 6H (usually late 5H, near 6H)..

This is weirding me out!! It keeps changing signs but it's ALWAYS in 5H/6H.

Ami, would you know what 5th and 6th would indicate? Because I find those Houses kinda hard to interpret for Dejanira... I was thinking something along the lines of 5H = childhood, child .. meaning that I was a victim of/in childhood (which is kinda true) and 6H maybe victim of/in everyday life (which is also kinda true).

I know that i.e. 6H could also be health but I don't have major health issues.

Idk, maybe you have an idea?

Thanks!!

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posted December 19, 2018 11:52 AM            

Curious of what you think of Dejanira conjunct Juno in Cap... it's not me, it's the ex- hes on his 3rd marriage, and I feel like he really plays a victim in relationships, he's very subservient, always wanting to please, sacrifices so much, then when it ends, turns all his mistakes into your doing.... this actually really makes sense, wondering if you have any input...
He's also a pisces sun in the 7th
Moon in Cancer.
Virgo ASC...

posted January 06, 2019 04:15 PM            

so the characterization as "victim" may be over stepping the myth a bit

posted January 08, 2019 04:09 PM            

There is someone with Mars 18 Leo, Saturn 16 Leo, Pluto 12 Leo square his at Venus 12 Taurus aspecting my Dejanira at 16 Leo who has been trying to kill me for six years now.

posted March 24, 2019 08:47 AM            

"This girl [Deianeira] plied the chariot reins and was adept in military exercises. It was over her that Herakles wrestled with Akheloios (Achelous)."

posted April 19, 2019 06:59 PM            

I have Galilee at 19 Leo, Poseidon at 17 Aquarius, Dejanira at 19 Leo, Reiki at 19 Scorpio and also Aura at 23 Scorpio, Lucifer at 23 Aquarius, Jupiter/Aphrodite 24 Taurus (in the 8th house). He secretly wants me to die and make everyone forget about me.

In his birth chart on astrotheme.com, he has Moon at 24 Aquarius and Mercury at 16 Aquarius. Moon in Aquarius I think could be homosexual. But what's even more supportive of this is his Mars retrograde in Virgo. And its square Lucifer in Gemini. For some reason a Mars retrograde in Virgo seems conceited about himself. Even to the point of homosexuality.

We also share very scary synastry. His Venus is at 16 Pisces and his Mars at 21 Virgo. My North Node is at 16 Pisces, South Node 16 Virgo. My Prana is at 21 Virgo in the 12th house which supports him feeding on me. The node conjunctions don't spell out too well for him I think. This configuration is very unusual. Imagine if transit Venus was conjunct the North Node and transit Mars the South Node? Also his South Node 9 Scorpio is conjunct my Pluto exact at 9 Scorpio. Another extremely rare aspect.

But what's even more scary is why his birth chart is on astrotheme?

He has removed websites I enjoyed and made companies not manufacture things I liked. He removed the website 'Libra-Rising.com' just because I enjoyed it.

I was born on an exact alignment and full moon of Sun/Moon/Neptune. He's been living on my energy and putting it into other people and making me deal with other people's energy and basically destroying my temple that I took so much care of.

posted April 22, 2019 08:58 PM            

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