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Violets
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posted December 31, 2016 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was initially kind of alarmed when I saw a few Nemesis conjunctions with some of my newer family members (in-laws, future in-laws, etc), but while I was looking at other people's charts for other reasons, I noticed that there are these conjunctions with people who will probably never be "secret enemies" or cause problems for each other.

My best friend of 36 years has her Mercury right on my Nemesis. We're not enemies. We're not secret enemies. We don't do things to mess up our friendship on any level, other than perhaps living different types of lives but still being very close emotionally.

My Nemesis was on my grandma's Saturn, and I'm pretty sure that she literally saved my life in the sense that she was a rock of love and support when my life was really in a bad way.

I'm familiar with the myth, but none of that seems to play out in these conjunctions much. It seems more like a fate thing to me, a meaningful interaction that might be a bit heavy or even painful at times, but is also very much like those treasured relationships we have with people where we've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Anyone have experiences they want to share about this asteroid? I think I've been completely misunderstanding it due to the name alone (and some descriptions I'm mostly finding completely inaccurate, or at best only containing one possibility).

Thoughts?

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posted December 31, 2016 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, my step-mom's Nemesis is on my Pluto. She did cause pain in my life when I was younger, because she was young and jealous, etc. I did not get to be much a part of my brothers' lives because of that. It did create some deep wounds for me.

However, she has since apologized very sincerely after so many years, and we're now very close. I would not tolerate anyone speaking ill of her, and I believe probably likewise. She goes out of her way to make sure that our family is included in all family get-togethers, etc.

And although my best friend and I (my Nemesis on her Mercury) made some poor choices together when we were younger...and possibly influenced each other negatively...we also influence each other very positively on a spiritual level. We discovered Linda Goodman together, actually. I introduced her to the books I was reading, and she quickly took it up as well.

For my grandma (my Nemesis on her Saturn), we were so very close that I know it pained her terribly when I began to make some very poor choices. But I made it out, and I always let her know that I probably would not have if she hadn't been here for me.

So it almost has a little bit of a Chiron feel to me, but like Chiron + Karma.

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posted December 31, 2016 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm trying to think of what it could mean, but based on your examples, maybe the house where Nemesis is placed only suggests a place of vulnerability. Since most people are generally not the type to take advantage of a friend's vulnerabilities, I'd say it could be an asteroid indicating a great deal of trust too. Still, any place where someone is vulnerable, trust can be broken, so some people might experience Nemesis in a bad way just because of that.

But, this is just a theory. I don't know if I'm right.

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posted December 31, 2016 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What I'm noticing with the very few examples I'm looking at closely is that there seems to be a theme of "you're going to go through some serious life lessons with this person, and it will not always be a bowl of cherries, but you're in it together and you'll be closer for it when you come out on the other side".

Again, that's just MY theory for this moment. I've been trying to figure this asteroid out for a few days now, as there is (typically) not that much information on it, other than the myth and some sort of blanket-statement interpretations based on name alone.

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posted January 01, 2017 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump. -__-

I can't be the only person who has noticed a strangely significant, but not necessarily "bad" connotation with this synastry or its natal placements?

Out with your stories of Nemesis synastry, people!

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posted January 01, 2017 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Nemesis @27 Sag is conjunct Ceri's sun.

Obviously I don't consider her an enemy.

In high school/college I was friends with a guy whose sun is even more tightly conjunct my Nemesis. I'm sure he would still be my friend if I was on FB or lived closer to my hometown. Really dependable and constant friend (b. Dec 19th, Ceri.) And my husband's cousin was born that same day and she's great company. Comes to visit and tells us interesting stories....

I have nothing bad to say about this degree in my life and synastry.

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posted January 01, 2017 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, same here! I mean, there is some good and bad, but mostly very meaningful interactions for me that end well.

That's why I'm sort of wondering "What is the DEAL with this asteroid?!" It's not bad, I think I've decided that. It feels (I know I'm repeating myself) karmic, like if Chiron and Karma had a baby.

Not "bad", but somehow important, usually?
She did have a role in people's fate, so I think it has much more to do with that than anything negative.

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posted January 01, 2017 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, thanks for responding to my thread, you guys.

It's so exasperating to have a genuine question (especially about asteroids, when there's just not that much info out there sometimes) and have the thread immediately get buried!

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posted January 01, 2017 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know what you mean, I don't like threads getting buried...especially with questions like this. I like working out what the asteroids mean.

My guy friend...what role did he play in my life? Hmmm

He was older and had a car before my other friends did. He would pick us up and drive us around playing the same cassette tape every time. Sometimes I hear these songs and I'm 16 again driving through town listening to stuff like...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFtLONl4cNc

LOL

What does this have to do with Nemesis? Nothing...

But as for Karma-Chiron: all I can think of is, he has been the most unlucky and tragic person from that circle of friends. Maybe it's like, life itself has been his Nemesis? Maybe that's how he knew to be reassuring and constant?

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It seems more like a fate thing to me, a meaningful interaction that might be a bit heavy or even painful at times, but is also very much like those treasured relationships we have with people where we've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Yes, in some ways this applies here.

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posted January 01, 2017 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suppose maybe Chiron wasn't the best example I could have picked, but sort of like you guys have seen each other go through important stuff, or been through those times together (in some cases for me, anyway), but the emotional bond is still comforting after everything, and the fun memories are still there.

It feels like a somewhat positive "glue" to me. Saturn doesn't necessarily feel that way, although I've heard people describe it as such. It feels more like cement.

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posted January 01, 2017 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah

I erased because I guess I'm not sure what to say, there was a lot to the relationship, especially because I was young when we were spending most of that time together (formative years).

Ceri has also been with me through some ups and downs these past few years, but I don't know how her Aqua moon would feel about me making a tribute speech. But I really appreciate her.

I tried to write that without a heart but my Pisces moon prevails....

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posted January 01, 2017 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol. Aqua Moon and Pisces Moon.

Also, duly noted.

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posted January 02, 2017 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Thanks for understanding.

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posted January 02, 2017 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, of course.

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posted January 04, 2017 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trying to piece together the meaning, from various websites:

Starting with this one. (Source #1). Will come back & post if the other sites have interesting info too.

BACKGROUND: WHO WAS SHE?

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In reality, Nemesis was not a Goddess of doom, it was the human disappointment in receiving ‘what was due’ that twisted her story into being one of negativity. Nemesis was known to punish excessive pride, evil deeds, undeserved happiness and gain, and lack in moderation. She was resentment personified and took action against crimes and those who received boons in the form of undeserved luck. It was Nemesis that would deem a time far too happy, and as it was her role to balance the highs and lows, she would be the one to rip the rug out from underneath the boastful and excessively satisfied. It is also stated that the individual who failed to give proper credit or failed to help others was swiftly brought to a downfall.

WHAT DOES SHE DO IN OUR CHART?

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In your natal chart, Nemesis indicates energy influences that tear you down and apart. When young, one can call Nemesis the negative self-fulfilling prophecy. Aspects here reveal pattern behaviour with harsh results.

Obviously, as the soul matures and evolves, the battles with Nemesis ‘should’ be more clear to the individual and more conscious modes of dealing with the situations as they arrive transpires. However, without realisation and acceptance of the ongoing Nemesis input, you find an individual that is literally a mouse in a wheel – attracting negativity and bringing about their own downfall due to their denial.


FLAVOURS OF THE ZODIAC:

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Another element of Nemesis that is mentioned in her mythology, is the element of praise. Do you give credit where credit is due? Do you over-value your input in relationships and situations? Do you expect credit and praise but are lax in returning in kind?

There is no one more hard suffering than the individual who takes on ALL of the blame. They are so wrapped up in their shadow self, that they forget that there are other parties involved and fail to also, hand over the responsibility where it is justified. No doubt, you will find this Nemesis is ruled by any sign from Libra onwards, whilst the Nemesis individual that lays blame will have her placed in one of the self signs – Aries to Libra.


HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THIS ENERGY?

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In the natal chart, Nemesis calls for responsibility and acceptance of the shadow self. Note your weaknesses and embrace them. Accept that you are flawed and take note of how many times you have experienced a downfall due to your flaws. Take on and embrace ‘your’ role in the negative events and move on from resentment. Wherever Nemesis is placed and whatever is the rulership is a key to personal resentment. When you look towards others, what do you envy? When difficult situations happen, not events or tragedies totally out of your control, but when life events happen, how do you dish out the blame?

** ^That and, being fair about giving credit where it's due, of course.



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posted January 04, 2017 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I totally deal with the above mentioned themes on the regular. Especially I notice that claiming victory is always a precursor to a downfall/harsh awakening, realizing the fact that my claiming of victory has actually cemented my eventual (or immediate) defeat... a funny one to try to talk about because, sure, a little celebration here and there... but really if I ever become self satisfied I'm screwed, worse than most people.

Nemesis (and Karma) conjunct my Ascendant.

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posted January 04, 2017 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think therefore it can manifest very positively in relationships because it can ensure that you never take that person for granted, as though the relationship is all tied up with a bow and you have no need to put more energy into improving it or working on it. A life well lived is always a work in progress... it never claims victory and walks away because that is akin to death.. so it is with our relationships. A relationship with a rubber stamp on it might as well be over. The enemy, and it is subtle and hidden, is self-satisfaction... so yes, remaining aware of our pitfalls, remaining humble, in touch with our shadow, can actually keep things on the up and up. Seems ironic/paradoxical but it's totally sensible.

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posted January 04, 2017 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ That's true. I was just wondering, if it represents "resentment" in our natal, does it represent things that can foster resentment in synastry? Or, induce some form of insecurity that can undermine the relationship..?

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posted January 04, 2017 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It certainly could have those effects... I actually personally generate a lot of enmity and resentment, at least that's my perception. I used to do so far more in my younger years. Not that people would tell me, but I'm clairvoyant (never used that word for myself before but it's true I think; I'm aware that the resentment I generate is about equal to the resentment I feel personally so I work on non judgmental loving kindness and it all goes a lot better!). I can tell what people are feeling/thinking about me in a lot of cases anyway, but not all... Nemesis is a secret enemy which operates subtly from within us, when it is our Nemesis asteroid anyway (I figure) it doesn't actually come from outside... a secret enemy and a powerful ally if we respect her teachings!

I mean maybe sometimes it comes from outside I know I'm a broken record on the who's who topic!

Anyway whether Nemesis will generate overt resentment or keep people in line and keep them humble and aware of their shadow and so free of the blame game (which is a boon for any relationship!)... it really depends on literally thousands of other astrological factors how this (or any other aspect) is likely to manifest. We can use these astrological tools to better understand our relationships and navigate them with clarity, right? They're not meant to give us a static one-size-fits-all meaning to go trotting off with.

"Ah, now I understand this is how it is!"-- it's more complex and subtle, right? And important to stay humble and fluid even with our interpretations

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posted January 04, 2017 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To look at one aspect with an asteroid and reduce it to a meaning like "oh we will be secret enemies" or "this person will abuse me" or "it's true love" is really a huge over simplification/ an amplification of one possible aspect which can cause problems. These ideas come into focus for a reason but it's better not to cling to such things. When you finally zoom back out again from minute analysis of asteroid aspects you'll see that it is almost never as extreme or as dire as it seemed, or as simple... yet for that time during which it is being explored, the psychological effects of that are very real. So it's good to be mindful as we explore these things and retain some perspective.

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posted January 04, 2017 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
To look at one aspect with an asteroid and reduce it to a meaning like "oh we will be secret enemies" or "this person will abuse me" or "it's true love" is really a huge over simplification/ an amplification of one possible aspect which can cause problems. These ideas come into focus for a reason but it's better not to cling to such things. When you finally zoom back out again from minute analysis of asteroid aspects you'll see that it is almost never as extreme or as dire as it seemed, or as simple... yet for that time during which it is being explored, the psychological effects of that are very real. So it's good to be mindful as we explore these things and retain some perspective.

Yeah, ofc.. I'm always advocating (arguing) for exactly this thing. Just yesterday, I said something to this effect.
It's just the way I learn - to first get to the bottom of it, then zoom out so I can apply it in context. I can't apply it if I don't know it's core essence, which requires a deep dive. 'Course, if I jump to the zoom-out step, without fully understanding the *element*, I might (nah, I will), end up misusing it.

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posted January 04, 2017 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me too! Mercury conjunct Pluto in Scorpio...

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posted January 04, 2017 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hehe.

8H Scorp merc here.

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posted January 04, 2017 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In mythology Nemesis punishes arrogance. Not an enemy to everyone. In astrology, synastry, I don't usually see a negative playing out of this asteroid, with conjunctions but it may act as a guard against against arrogance.

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posted January 05, 2017 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Elysia:
Hehe.

8H Scorp merc here.


Thought you might

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