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hearttreasure
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posted April 05, 2017 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I still don't understand how this asteroid affect one person.

He has asteroid Lucifer (1930) square mercury at 2, square mars at 3, square uranus at 2.

And in synastry he has Lucifer (1930) conjunct EXACT another person's Mars (this person has venus conjunct Lucifer at 8, wide).

What can you describe his personality affect by the asteroid and how does it affect the relationship with those EXACT conjunction?

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posted April 05, 2017 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lucifer is pride. It seems to manifest as a super "know it all" person lol

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posted April 05, 2017 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With His Lucifer conj the other person's Mars, he may be bossier and holier than thou about telling the person what to do lol

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posted April 07, 2017 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ami.

So do you think Lucifer "pride" is a bad asteroid/meaning?

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posted April 07, 2017 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
Thanks Ami.

So do you think Lucifer "pride" is a bad asteroid/meaning?


To me, Lucifer is one of the worst cuz pride is really the trait that takes us down as humans.

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posted April 07, 2017 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
have it cnj. my mars
dose it mean i think i can do everythink?

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posted April 07, 2017 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
.removed reply.

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posted April 07, 2017 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
have it cnj. my mars
dose it mean i think i can do everythink?

Great question, TE. I would say that you may be kind of bold that you can do things better than others lol

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posted April 07, 2017 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really don't do transits, my Friend. I stick to natal and synastry. Being a Born Again Christian/Messianic Jew, I like to do the blueprints of people and not really go off into other areas of Astrology, which I feel may be better off under the heading of faith in God.

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posted April 12, 2017 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So Lucifer, could actually help you to do the impossible, since to begin with, you have to believe in it, and second he was the one who tried first to do the impossible.

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posted April 12, 2017 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
So Lucifer, could actually help you to do the impossible, since to begin with, you have to believe in it, and second he was the one who tried first to do the impossible.

No, I wouldn't say that. Pride does not give a directed energy. It is a false kind of face.

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posted April 12, 2017 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No, I wouldn't say that. Pride does not give a directed energy. It is a false kind of face.


yes, I was reading, in a antroposofic book the other day, a beautifull article about sacrifice. That there where sacrifices needed from other worlds, so our world and us as humanbeeings would be like we are now.
If I remember well Lucifer was the first sacrifice, and gave us our identity.

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posted May 01, 2017 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

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posted May 05, 2017 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
To me, Lucifer is one of the worst cuz pride is really the trait that takes us down as humans.


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posted May 05, 2017 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Lucifer is pride. It seems to manifest as a super "know it all" person lol


Interesting...

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posted May 05, 2017 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snow Dragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mercury square Lucifer means his mind is capable of having evil thoughts.

Mars square Lucifer means he has sexual feelings that are evil. He may be tempted to do bad sexual things to people.

Uranus square Lucifer means his evil promptings come out of the blue..


All three planets square Lucifer is worrisome. Other people who have such aspects are Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy.

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posted May 05, 2017 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 05, 2017 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Welcome Snow Dragon!

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posted May 05, 2017 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EROS conjunct ANGEL opposing Lucifer forming a tsquare with Saturn in the apex...
Then saturn sextile Cupido forms a Yod with chiron at the apex...

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posted May 05, 2017 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lucifer also has its good things but I could see how its shadow side could be pride:

"Lucifer however couldn’t believe that God was more proud of his new creation than he was of his angels. There’s a sense that Lucifer’s pride is hurt because God loves his two-legged walking talking monkeys a lot more than him."

He is complex character, he is also the light bringer:

"There seems to be two main themes running through the dialogue – Lucifer’s fall through pride and Lucifer as light bringer."

"Perhaps it is fate that Lucifer was discovered when the Sun was in Scorpio, a sign often maligned with darker elements. Sex, death and tax man (the Devil incarnate :-)) are all jurisdictions of this sign. Scorpio also rules those things we consider to be taboo. Yet another powerful attribute of Scorpio is ‘Truth’. Scorpio wants to know the truth and tell the truth, even if it hurts. Maybe this relates to Lucifer being unable to lie to God or to himself. He didn’t think God’s newest creation was the greatest ever and could not force himself to acquiesce. Whilst he loved God, he could not do what was asked of him. Instead he chose to tell the truth and uphold his own truth, despite the devastating consequences."

So I associate Lucifer with someone who values the truth strongly and will fight for it and not compromise in order to feel accepted and fit in. I see him as someone who is willing to rebel to stand for his values.

http://www.leahwhitehorse.com/2013/02/03/asteroid-lucifer/

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posted May 06, 2017 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what you think about Lucifer cnj. Lucifer in sinastry?

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posted May 06, 2017 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
what you think about Lucifer cnj. Lucifer in sinastry?

Perhaps you both value honesty towards each other highly but you are also at risk as a couple of letting pride get in the way of fighting for each other, if you are not careful pride may be your downfall. Like maybe you will both stick to your principles to the point you cannot compromise and end up breaking up. On the other hand maybe you two are able to talk about anything that other couples find too controversial or taboo to talk about and be able to be open and honest with each other. Maybe you two bring out the side in each other that wants to rebel against social constructs you two dont fully agree with. Looking at what Lucifer is doing at each of your charts can help you see what Lucifer wants to rebel agaisnt, you can also check composite to get more clues.

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Along with other reinforcing factors in the chart, another use for this asteroid is as an indicator of possible musical talents.

(music) We Could Make Such Beautiful Music Together (Song Medley, Judy Garland with Liza Minnelli, lyrics) [3:08] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xqxz8nazk0

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posted May 06, 2017 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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what you think about Lucifer cnj. Lucifer in sinastry?

In a 'gadda da vida' = In a 'Garden of Evil'

This song raised a lot of eyebrows in its day.

(music) In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida (Iron Butterfly, *short version* lyrics) [3:00] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPSaocNxLKA

LONGER VERSIONS.....
(music) In A Gadda Da Vida (Iron Butterfly 1968, Original Members in their Final Live Performance together in 2012, Portland Oregon) [19:18] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA7V68w5hiA

(music) In A Gadda Da Vida (Iron Butterfly ORIGINAL 1968, lyrics) [17:02] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVe-rZBcm4

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posted May 07, 2017 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Perhaps you both value honesty towards each other highly but you are also at risk as a couple of letting pride get in the way of fighting for each other, if you are not careful pride may be your downfall. Like maybe you will both stick to your principles to the point you cannot compromise and end up breaking up. On the other hand maybe you two are able to talk about anything that other couples find too controversial or taboo to talk about and be able to be open and honest with each other. Maybe you two bring out the side in each other that wants to rebel against social constructs you two dont fully agree with. Looking at what Lucifer is doing at each of your charts can help you see what Lucifer wants to rebel agaisnt, you can also check composite to get more clues.

Thanks hypatia, much of what you said made sence to me.
In composite it trines our NN

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