posted July 30, 2012 10:48 AM            

A dark past?? I do believe in past lives, so it would definetely go there, because my own childhood was not dark, imho.

posted May 12, 2017 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by popcorn:
Black moon conj IC bring you an strenght to be exactly as you are. Your childhood bring you that into you. You will do the same to your family. You will be an parent who encourages your children and family to develope their own unique person.

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posted May 12, 2017 03:08 PM            

Also take into consideration what the IC means generally.

I have never considered Lilith to be all that positive. Its association with the "dark Moon" often suggests something sinister

I used to envision Lilith on the Moon,the type of Moms who compete with their daughters or even smother their children(literally)

posted May 12, 2017 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
The thread is not about the asteroid, it is about the axis BML.

I identify with popcorns interpretation. I think BML on the IC would rather not have children to keep her freedom and independence but if she did she will give them a lot of freedom and accept their children as they are, nourishing their uniqueness and harnessing their power from within. It wouldnt overprotect like a cancer is at risk off. Its dark side is that they value their independence so much they may be guilty of neglect if the shadow side manifests.

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posted May 13, 2017 12:04 PM            

In the Asteroid Goddesses book by Demetra George and Douglas Bloch (pp 189-190+), they link 1181 Lilith (asteroid) with 1685 Toro, and have named this pairing "The Warriors."

1181 Lilith - Capacity to
constructively release repressed anger
and resolve conflict.

1685 Toro - Capacity to
use and control power.

(^ from table, p. 187)

Quoting....

Astrologically,
Lilith [linked with Toro] forms an intermediary step in the octave progression between Mars and Pluto {astronomically},
and addresses the issues of personal, sexual power and repressed anger.

In interpersonal relationships,
her responses range from complete withdrawal to bickering,
and
sexual manipulation to skillful negotiation and compromise.

Because of the primal resentment that arises from being rejected*,
Lilith contains a tremendous amount of repressed anger.
This 'suppressed rage,' when activated, has the potential to erupt in sexual domination and violence.

On the positive side,
Lilith teaches us 'the art of consensus'
by which the transformative energy of Mars-Pluto can be used to fuse (rather than destroy) relationships.

In chart analysis,
a prominent Lilith displays the quality of personal independence,
and a refusal to submit to another or compromise one's beliefs, (as well as the potential for resolution).

Stressful placements of Lilith
point to the perception of the feminine
as evil (the vamp), potential rape, and sexual abuse (especially when aspected to Toro or Saturn),
or,
as the inability to reach agreement until power issues are resolved.

Lilith's aspects to the planets
depict how the contacted planet deals with the issue of "conflict resolution."

For example,
Lilith-Ceres -
focuses on resolving conflict in family matters;
Lilith-Jupiter -
contacts may involve religious beliefs;
Lilith-Venus -
the focus is on love and sex, etc.

In synastry,
Lilith contacts signify
the need for the individuals to 'learn negotiation',
as well as
potential problems involving sexual fear, rejection, anger, and suspicion.

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http://www.demetra-george.com/resources/books

(*) being rejected -- p.190

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According to Hebraic tradition, as the first wife of Adam, Lilith depicts the first stage of the feminine as 'consort.'

In this encounter, she found herself in conflict with Adam (who wished to rule over her), despite her belief that "we are both equal because we both come from the same earth."

Eventually, Lilith left Adam, choosing 'exile and loneliness' rather than 'domination and subjugation'.

*As punishment* for rejecting her husband,
Lilith became regarded as the personification of feminine evil---
a dark demoness who threatened pregnant women, killed children, and seduced and destroyed men.