posted July 14, 2016 09:34 PM            

I thought having Chiron on Sun was worst than Asc. Can someone explain to me the difference please I don’t really get it

This question was asked by a lovely lady. It is a great question!

First of all, we need to break down the nature of the Ascendant and the nature of the Sun. The Ascendant is our “self” that interfaces with our every day world. I am a Libra Ascendant. I appear balanced( I hope). I am soft spoken and refined( I hope). I dress simply and with good taste( I hope, once again) These are traits with which I IDENTIFY as part of who I am, with respect to the self you will see when you meet me.

Is the Ascendant the CORE of me? NO.

If you know me well, do you see me as my Ascendant? Most likely, not.

You will see traces of that, of course, but my DEEPER self will shine through because my deeper, more intimate self is not my Ascendant. It would be my Sun and Moon.

Chiron is the planet of pain. Chiron conjunct the Ascendant will be bullied, in the cases I have seen(There are a small number of cases in which this has not happened, but it is a small number) My theory as to why this Chiron placement is bullied is that many, many people respond to pain with meanness.

The people who do this will argue the most about it, so save your words, so as not to identify yourself.

I think Chiron conjunct the Ascendant is one of the hardest aspects, bar none.

Chiron conjunct the Sun is very different. The Sun represents one’s father, as well as one’s own ego/sense of identity. This aspect shows a VERY painful relationship with the father and one that greatly hurt the native. The closer the orb, the harder the relationship.

I hope I have answered this question to your satisfaction. That is, always, my goal!

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posted July 14, 2016 09:40 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I have the conjunction to my Sun. I have a great relationship with my father, so I can't relate to that.

My sister has Chiron in her first house, but not conjunct the ascendant.

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How close is the conjunction, teasel?

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posted July 14, 2016 09:49 PM            

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posted July 14, 2016 09:53 PM            

With Chiron conjunct the Asc, in doing many, many charts, one girl was not bullied.

She has Dejanira conj Pluto which is the person who STANDS up to bullies. I have this and I do stand up and hate bullying with a passion lol

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posted July 14, 2016 11:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

How close is the conjunction, teasel?

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I think it's my tightest aspect.

posted July 15, 2016 08:31 AM            

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posted July 15, 2016 08:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Isa:
Ami, what do you think transit Chiron conjuncts the asc could bring?

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I don't do transits, I. To do them right, they are their own extensive study and not as simple as they may appear at a fast glance.

They give me the creeps and make me too paranoid lol

My next step in Astrology is medical Astrology.

I think this is what I, always, was supposed to do.

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posted July 15, 2016 09:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
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Chiron conjunct the Sun is very different. The Sun represents one’s father, as well as one’s own ego/sense of identity. This aspect shows a VERY painful relationship with the father and one that greatly hurt the native. The closer the orb, the harder the relationship.

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I have the conjunction to the Sun and my relationship with my father isn't painful, but my father IS in fact very distant and aloof and sometimes I feel as I am emotionally disconnected from him. He has a better relationship with my little brother.

In addition to Sun conj Chiron, I also have a Sun/Nep square which could also contribute to having a distant father.

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posted July 15, 2016 09:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
How close an aspect, L?

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Very tight Ami, for both Asc and Sun

Sun conjunction Chiron orb +0°31'

Chiron square Ascendant orb +0°47'

posted July 15, 2016 10:58 AM            

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posted July 15, 2016 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You are soo sweet, L. Pain deepens us. We don't want it but it can make us amazing people

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posted July 15, 2016 05:50 PM            

imo, Chiron conjunct the ascendant can give the person the aura of Chiron, that is, someone who is able to express/represent collective pain or emotions (usually through their art or work). People with this aspect can actually be well liked and tend to be popular with the masses. Chiron not conjunct ascendant but locating in the 1st confers the same quality, albeit a little more subdued.

Chiron in the 1st: Oprah Winfrey, Bill Clinton, Bono, Shakira, Barak Obama, Serena Williams, Richard Burton, Carrie Fisher, James Stewart, Sally Field.

Chiron conjunct the ascendant (0 to 4 degree orb)
Linda Goodman
Martin Scorsese
Wilhem Dafoe
Tchaikovski
Fred Astaire
Peter O'Toole
Art Garfunkel
Rudolf Valentino
etc...

posted July 15, 2016 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Ami, I am not convinced that Chiron conjunct ascendant makes for someone who is bullied.

imo, Chiron conjunct the ascendant can give the person the aura of Chiron, that is, someone who is able to express/represent collective pain or emotions (usually through their art or work). People with this aspect can actually be well liked and tend to be popular with the masses. Chiron not conjunct ascendant but locating in the 1st confers the same quality, albeit a little more subdued...

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posted July 15, 2016 07:20 PM            

I base my theories on the thousands of charts I have done in 7 years.

If I see the same thing over and over, I form a theory.

All the Chiron conj the ASCs *I* have seen, except for one, and there have been many, have been bullied.

Kate Middleton has this and she says she was bullied.

About the list of famous people, we don't KNOW them.

One would have to have an intimate relationship with them, so to speak, to really know.

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posted July 15, 2016 07:21 PM            

The degrees are very important here.

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posted July 15, 2016 07:57 PM            

I have been bullied for a short time in my youth. During that time, Chiron was not conjunct my ascendant. I have recently gone through a Chiron conjunct ascendant transit and I don't recall being bullied...

posted July 15, 2016 08:21 PM            

There had been times when people tried to bully me, but with permission (parents), I fought back.

posted July 15, 2016 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Ami, please show me someone who can honestly say, I have never been bullied. They will be in a minority.

I have been bullied for a short time in my youth. During that time, Chiron was not conjunct my ascendant. I have recently gone through a Chiron conjunct ascendant transit and I don't recall being bullied...

For bullyism to be a marker for natal Chiron conjunct Ascendant, it should be something that has defined the person's life and CONTINUES to define it, as planets conjunct ascendant have lifelong impact. I don't see Kate Middleton's life playing out as a bully victim. Do you?

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Kate was bullied as a CHILD.

There is a life Theme of bullying, often as a child, with this Chiron placement that I have found in my chart readings.

That is my findings and my opinion.

We can differ and still be friends, B

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