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Topic: Chiron in Aries - redefining masculinity and who we think we are?
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Lalafortunaea
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posted March 22, 2018 07:47 AM
  
Chiron will go into Aries on April 18 2018 and will be there until 2027.So, collectively, what do you think this could mean for humanity as a whole? And individually, for you, what do you think it means?
It makes me think of the old saying "men are from mars, women from venus." Which always reminds me of what George Carlin once so eloquently said: “Men are from Earth, women are from Earth. Deal with it.”
I think for the masculine duality in all of us, it will have a lot to do with redefining that aspect of ourselves, healing our identity, and finding new ways to assert ourselves. Individuals who have especially martian aspects to themselves, to their whole personality, regardless of how much mars or Aries is in their chart, will go through a wild ride. And Aries is also our identity, so those with a particularly wounded identity, or feeling worthless and powerless could have it rough until they finally discover themselves. IP: Logged |
SecretGeek
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posted March 22, 2018 09:24 AM
I am not getting much of a sense of the change from water to fire, since Chiron will remain in the 3rd house. The IC will be hit around 3/22/2022 which is close to the SN. The NN has Pluto and Venus on it, but more so Pluto. Something major could happen then.IP: Logged |
MoonMystic
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posted March 22, 2018 12:25 PM
I'm getting close to my Chiron rtn.
Hopefully it won't be uncomfortable.
I have maybe 13mos until it hits
my natal in cnj. Then he does go retro
too so he'll be cnj my natal one
awhile in 2019.
In my natal he is cnj my pre natal
LunaEclipse and trines my Neptune.
There's little in my natal he doesn't
aspect actually! I feel like all my
years I've been a caterpillar,
perhaps this period is where I transform
into the butterfly.  [ aha, my post# makes 11:11 in
away anyhow.  ] Here's a nice link on Chiron:
http://astrologyforthesoul.com/chironreturn50.html IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted March 23, 2018 05:17 PM
An an Asc in Aries, I identified more with my Draco Asc in Aqua. But I really like your insight to the Chiron in Aries move.Yes. I think masculinity will have to be redefined. The "macho man" role is outdated now and is slowly being replaced with male masculinity that is not afraid to appreciate the power of gentleness. But not without first facing a struggle. As many gatekeepers of the patriarchal system(women included), are yet to be comfortable with the "soft" man. There will be a lot more resistance before the shift. A lot more people talking about where the "real" men went? i.e. John Wayne,Clint Eastwood stereotypes and the like etc. More men may embrace therapy; whether to deal with cases of being abused. Or else they will voluntarily go for the sake of improving the relationships they have with their wives and children. Do u see how many men are taking advice from Steve Harvey on how to better relate with their partners? There is shift that is gaining momentum. And I feel positive about it. I myself am confronting some masculine issues of my own with Uranus in Aries in my 1st house. I feel like as a late Aries Asc, I got the memo later than others and am expected to "catch up". Because I don't see Taurus Uranus continuing the same thread. Its a whole new ball game there. I feel like all late Aries Asc people or those late in the Aries Sun/Moon or whatever, often catch a wake up later and have to take the " essence" of what the transit is teaching them before making changes. No time to ponder too deeply.
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SecretGeek
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posted March 23, 2018 05:57 PM
Last time Chiron moved in Aries was January 31, 1969. Don't think it had anything to do with masculinity.IP: Logged |
Lerena
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posted March 23, 2018 06:29 PM
I feel that redefining masculinity is about learning to value the feminine. For example, in general, females are more in touch with their masculine side than men are with their feminine side. Hopefully, men will begin to connect more with their feminine traits without feeling less masculine for it. If femininity gains more value, especially with men, this would greatly improve how men and women interact with each other. For example, women would start to feel more empowered by their femininity rather than weaker for it. I'm not ashamed to admit that I like men with feminine traits - both physically and personality-wise. Anyway, on a personal level, I have absolutely no clue what will happen. I've Googled and Googled and all I could find on my next Chiron transit was some information about transiting Chiron conjunct their Mars just making people angrier. Angrier. I'm not sure I need more anger. Maybe I should order that stress ball soon. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 28, 2018 09:06 AM
Masculinity will never go away. In nature vs. nurture, nature wins every time. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted March 28, 2018 10:21 AM
I think the danger faced by upcoming men is they might find it difficult to express their masculine energy coz it is branded "toxic".IP: Logged |
mirage29
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posted March 28, 2018 05:36 PM
... oops, I misinterpreted what this thread was looking for.IP: Logged |
SecretGeek
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posted March 28, 2018 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
I think the danger faced by upcoming men is they might find it difficult to express their masculine energy coz it is branded "toxic".
Many women crave masculine energy, new or old age. IP: Logged |
mirage29
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posted March 28, 2018 05:52 PM
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SecretGeek
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posted March 28, 2018 05:57 PM
I used to run a couple hundred head of female cattle on several hundred acres I owned. I had a set of top dollar bulls to follow up artificial insemination. One bull per 25 heifers/cows or so depending upon how mature the bulls were. The older ones had a higher appetite than the youngsters, believe it or not. Plus, they were huge. There was no need to own males other than the set of bulls. I didn't even need those bulls. I could have kept artificially inseminating the females. My efficiency rate would have dropped though. No need to feed the males because they eat more. One bull can provide a bunch of semen. It can be frozen in liquid nitrogen. They don't have to pay child support either.Men could be obsolete. Just need semen. IP: Logged |
SecretGeek
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posted March 28, 2018 06:32 PM
When I was in my 20s, I knew this attractive straight lady. She was a tad older than me. She had several non-straight female friends and asked me if I would like to go dancing with her because her friends were going. I agreed. We got there and it was standing room only. I was the only male in there. That place was huge too. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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posted March 28, 2018 07:33 PM
Interesting topic, but I have to move it to Asteroid Astrology.------------------
Soul Stars Astrology - by the declinations guy
Declinations: because the planets move north and south of the celestial equator IP: Logged |
mirage29
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posted March 28, 2018 09:14 PM
oh my ... 
This isn't the kind of thread topic I thought it was. Has taken a strange turn.IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted March 28, 2018 10:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mirage29:
oh my ...
This isn't the kind of thread topic I thought it was. Has taken a strange turn.
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SecretGeek
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posted March 28, 2018 10:42 PM
It will be a sad day if my grandson becomes a metro-sexual wearing pink panties.IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted March 28, 2018 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
It will be a sad day if my grandson becomes a metro-sexual wearing pink panties.
I don't see anything wrong with the pink panties, make Jason Momoa wear pink panties and the pink panties will look masculine(and next day we will have some men parading the beach wearing pink panties, following fashion trend ya know!) I think it's upto the person to express their sexuality in their own ways rather than live upto some ideals. The problem I see manifesting is men might suppress their masculinity in the future(or it might be happening even now) coz patriarchy has caused a lot of problems in the past, men need to be taught too how to express it in a positive manner( no no I don't mean turning them into "gentlemen", men are aggressive creatures, fact!, in the past they used to express it in wars, on the field and these days they express in video games). IP: Logged |
SecretGeek
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posted March 28, 2018 11:32 PM
Pink tie with dry cleaner-ed starched white collar shirt with gold cuff-links and a gold tie clip? Possibly.Pink suspenders with the same white shirt and pleated slacks? Possibly. Pink panties? No thanks! IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted March 28, 2018 11:37 PM
^ I like the way you said that.IP: Logged |
mirage29
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posted March 28, 2018 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
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Always good to see you, Anonymidarkness! 
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anonymidarkness
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posted March 29, 2018 12:17 AM
^ That made me feel flattered and happy , good to see you too mirage  IP: Logged |
mirage29
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posted March 29, 2018 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Pink tie with dry cleaner-ed starched white collar shirt with gold cuff-links and a gold tie clip? Possibly.Pink suspenders with the same white shirt and pleated slacks? Possibly. Pink panties? No thanks!
 How 'bout one of these??????????
(music) Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini  (Brian Hyland) [2:19] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICkWjdQuK7Q (music) Macho Man (The Village People, 1978) [4:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk-BPRXYk9g (music) It's Raining MEN!  (RuPaul and Martha Wash) [3:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcjNuAsMT-E IP: Logged |
SecretGeek
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posted March 29, 2018 02:42 AM
I would wear a pink cancer patch on my football jersey when I played college ball and would go as far as wearing pinked swooshed Nikes. I never got that opportunity though.IP: Logged |
mirage29
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posted March 29, 2018 11:27 AM
^ ...Not exactly sure why ... I tend to attract gay men and women in my life.  Once, I was voted one group's Favorite straight person. I got invited to all their functions for a while. I've had 'theee. most. fun' times in my life socializing around gay people. Way back since my high school days even ... I always felt a sense of 'inclusion'.
(Even my current roommate is an inactive-right-now gay person.) Talk about masculine/feminine-- Some of the MOST Feminine people are folks like RuPaul. sHe was able to really discern, encapsulate and hone feminine energy! Has a Jupiter-Venus conjunction in gorgeous-making Capricorn. - http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/RuPaul (music) I Will Survive (Diana Ross and RuPaul) [5:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BSBe42Fb48 (It was Diana Ross's Birthday on March 26)
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Ross,_Diana IP: Logged |
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