posted October 25, 2018 12:16 PM            

Would Eris conj Hebe make someone go to the ends-of-the-Earth in order to win? Would Valentine at some point find their attentiveness is redirected to some other matter if things got "too tough"?

Who takes the cake in a competitive showdown between these two Asteroids?

posted October 26, 2018 09:00 AM            

You have to consider ALL the shades and nuances of meanings. The meanings DO change depending on what you are applying it to.

What you may wish to consider are the OTHER asteroids clumped 'in the same degree' or within a few degrees before and after.

Also, read and consider the MYTHOLOGY about the asteroid before extracting a meaning.

- http://mythology.net/greek/greek-gods/hebe/

Basically, Hebe's role was as a servant or 'server'. She did chores. She was an assistant. Subservient.

Valentine-- has soo many meanings.
Was an Alchemist, name of a catholic saint, name of a town, name of an actress and TV show. Name of a Holiday Feb 14.
.. A cherished person you have special perceptions and subjective affections for, that you want to spoil in some way with gifts and expressions?

Eris.

She brought out "the truth" that was 'already there' in the situation but hidden to Others.

She was a surprised blind-sided victim of the collusion and exclusion by Others.
She was victimized and a casualty of the collective-will of dishonest mal-intentioned group-think{opinions}?
She applied to their 'vanity' and revealed them for who they authentically were.

So. Hmmmmm?

You want a "competition" between or among these??

It would depend on whether (and how) the individual is "loved" valued and recognized, by those 'outside'.. By the perceiving and opinion of those watching-- by those in-attendance to this competition?

Pretty and Shiny vs. Functional and Practical?
Promises of the not yet proven vs. Real Evidence?

Immediate Sugar-Candy vs a Protein Bar??

Reminds me of story in the old testament bible, involving Rachel and Leah, with Jacob.

"Jacob would have been wise to look at Rachel’s heart and not at her face." ..
- http://www.1timothy4-13.com/files/proverbs/art18.html

Rachel was the 'preferred' for being an apparently physically "prettier" woman (to Jacob's attraction and liking).

Leah was fruitful and produced many heirs for him.

Quality, Quantity-- what is their purpose?
Measured according to private purpose?

Thinking...
Valentine is an unproven attractive promise to the Other. (Rachel)
Beautiful according to how she (or he) is perceived in-the-moment, in the eye of the beholder.

Hebe (in Leah's case) is the server, the one who successfully produces for the Other.

The competition is not to be judged by the two involved, but by the "perceived" opinion of worth and value to those present and 'in witness' of the event?

Interesting thought, TheWanderer!
You have my thoughts boggling!!! LOL
These are kind of irreconcilable??

posted October 26, 2018 01:35 PM            

Suppose Leah and Rachel respectively have their Hebe conj Heracles and Valentine conj Heracles.

Now what if the two were in a tug-of-war? Who is most likely to win? Since Leah is more proven to be effective she has a good chance of winning a tug of war versus Rachel. Leah performs regular strength training and is strong. Rachel (if this is modern times) buys fancy workout equip but doesn't exercise very much. Is that Valentine? Does Valentine in any way imply following one's whims?

It might be that they really are different and it can't be rationally predicted who would win.

Thanks for allowing your mind to be twisted by my topics.

posted October 26, 2018 09:15 PM            

Rachel.. with pretty pink nail polish, not wanting to put a run in her tights?

Heracles...? LOL [:025] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O1hM-k3aUY

with

the Valentine-effect? ...

Xena & Gabrielle, 'I feel pretty',
in a Tale of Two Marias [2:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPjN2zXOs_k

I love your twist!!! LOL