posted January 28, 2020 05:06 PM            

Yes, it can be guilt, but it is thwarted or blocked in some way. It is immaterial if people like this fact or not. It is energy. The square is thwarted energy.

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posted January 28, 2020 05:09 PM            

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Originally posted by JoJo:
Ummmm.... Ugh...NOPE!!!!!

Squares are not blocks - squares are OPPORTUNITIES.

Squares are where we are different from another person.

Squares are friction that catalyze change.

Squares require compromise, and in working out this compromise, or in trying to understand another person's point of view (especially if we don't agree with it), we evolve, we grow, and we become better.

When faced with a square, we have a choice; grow or run. Go all in and find a way... or GTFU.

Steven Forrest has a great thought on synastric squares that resonates with me:

"If your Pluto squares my Venus, you probably have the capacity to see right through any smarmy Venus games I might play. Maybe my sweet manipulations don’t work with you; maybe my feather-smoothing diplomacy is as transparent as window glass. Maybe, with you, I just can’t hide. Maybe you confront me about that… and of course, as a result, maybe I feel that you are “always on my case,” that you’ve “appointed yourself my psychologist,” that your “need for power and control” squelches my sexuality-all the usual interpretations of the configuration. And maybe the truth behind those words sinks our romantic ship, just as the fortuneteller would predict. But maybe, just maybe, I listen to you. You plutonify my Venus, bringing up into my conscious awareness certain slippery, defensive games I play. Maybe I have grace enough in myself, and trust you enough, to let that humble realization happen. Maybe I become a better person for it.

Maybe what I am really saying is that my soul grows because of your impact on me

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posted January 28, 2020 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Huh you feel guilty bc you feel sex is keeping you away from been productive?, Saturn is like "you are going to get lost in the enjoying sex and forget your duties!" hahahaha

I mean when I am lusting after someone it can be very distracting so I see were saturn is coming from and all your energy gets dumped into the desired person which can be quite a waste of your resources that can be invested into something that will grow in value over time like building up a business or developing skills that make you better at your career etc...

Saturn doesn't want you to waste your time and energy on immediate gratification that will mean nothing to you tomorrow hahahaha

Saturn and Pluto are on my 2H cusp right now and Saturn rules my 2H and conjuncts my Pluto so I am understanding were you are coming from but I don't feel the guilt you experience, is just I don't value sex as much as I use to, it doesn't have the power it use to have over me, like I still masturbate but I just see it as biological need for release, IDK I just don't romanticize it anymore, very taurus perception of sex right now and more detached about it, add tr uranus is in the 5H.

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Yes that is it. Lol.Its like I can't completely enjoy myself. The same with Venus there. I must make it up by doing something "tangible" etc.

Sex may not be much of a drawcard because of energies being focused into the 2nd house.

Maybe this is a "slump" or trough? I know mine can also last a long time for some reason. Then...BOOM!

posted January 28, 2020 05:17 PM            

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posted January 28, 2020 06:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Yes that is it. Lol.Its like I can't completely enjoy myself. The same with Venus there. I must make it up by doing something "tangible" etc.

Sex may not be much of a drawcard because of energies being focused into the 2nd house.

Maybe this is a "slump" or trough? I know mine can also last a long time for some reason. Then...BOOM!

But you know better than I what is happening deep within you. I only speculate based off on me.

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I mean my Venus conjunct Mars dont have any squares and my sex drive is healthy and I am ready if you are, responsive and get wet easily. Now my partner has Venus square mars and he does have a blockage, he doesn't flow naturally like I do in this regard so I completely understand the point Ami is making about squares and she is not wrong. I feel squares blocks energy specially if Saturn is part of that square and if uranus is part of that square involving mars expressing the energy of mars is inconsistent. If you dont consistently desire me and **** me weekly I will lose interest in you sex wise, you gotta water that plant or it dies, inconsistency is not good. I suppose the other manifestation of a square involving mars is over expressing its energy like someone who has a porn addiction and masturbates all day and this is the opposite of a block but is an issue too.

I feel venus expresses your mars in your case bc it rules your mars. I feel you keep relating to venus to explain the function that for most their mars plays for them.

posted January 28, 2020 07:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Always saw squares as opportunities for growth. Challenging yes .But they help sharpen who you REALLY are and not who you THINK you are. Very dynamic.

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posted January 29, 2020 01:21 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I mean my Venus conjunct Mars dont have any squares and my sex drive is healthy and I am ready if you are, responsive and get wet easily. Now my partner has Venus square mars and he does have a blockage, he doesn't flow naturally like I do in this regard so I completely understand the point Ami is making about squares and she is not wrong. I feel squares blocks energy specially if Saturn is part of that square and if uranus is part of that square involving mars expressing the energy of mars is inconsistent.

If you dont consistently desire me and **** me weekly I will lose interest in you sex wise, you gotta water that plant or it dies, inconsistency is not good.

I suppose the other manifestation of a square involving mars is over expressing its energy like someone who has a porn addiction and masturbates all day and this is the opposite of a block but is an issue too.

I feel venus expresses your mars in your case bc it rules your mars. I feel you keep relating to venus to explain the function that for most their mars plays for them.

The issue with me is that Juno opposes my Saturn in Scorpio so in my case getting married activates my Saturn and leads to restrictions in my sex life bc my husband has a low sex drive.

For example with my ex we never married or moved in and we always had sex, we had a great sex life. In my case saturn in scorpio impacts me in the context of Juno, with you it impacts you in the context of Venus and Mars since Venus rules your mars so saturn impacts you more broadly including your Dating life perhaps.

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Wow...leading edge pov there.Definitely food for thought.Especially when you mentioned masturbating all day?Porn addiction?Yes.

This addiction is controlled.But I do acknowledge its an addiction because I view porn every other day.And sometimes may even "imagine" my own scenarios if the porn is not arousing enough. This has opened a whole new perspective.

My Venus and Mars are in mutual reception-Venus rules Mars and Mars rules Venus.And that's according to an astrologer who read my chart who uses traditional rulers Mars/ Sat & Jup for Sco,Aqua & Pis respectively.

She said that they(Ven/Mars on the whole) function as a default/"supreme" opposition i.e in her opinion,even "good" aspects between Mars & Venus create an intrinsic paradox of energies that are akward in expression within relationships because they want to do act "at the same time".And end up undermining each other.

Her analogy was a soldier(Mars) who falls inlove(Venus)during the war-and even with their opponent!(as Venus rules the 7th house of "open enemies" and opponents").

Or a charming husband(Venus) who goes rogue and promiscous(Mars) during marriage. Or may even get violent/ argumentative withthe spouse if they are not constantly having sex.

There is always a feminine expression in the masculine environment or masculine approach to a feminine issue.

The extreme feature of this occurrence happens most obviously with squares/ oppositions(sexual frustration or clumsy coordination in merging the self(Mars) within the context of a partnership(Ven)).

The conjunction leads to a blind spot.In that the native is little aware of the contradiction in energy inherent within them because the two placements of Venus/ Mars agree.

This can suggest a strong "masculine" approach in sex (potent need to be stuffed daily)or the tendency to be drawn to partners(Ven) who are very fiery(Mars).

Naturally the signs involved will reveal more or moderate acording.Like Ven/Mars in Virgo conj for instance may exert this "back/forth" energy more in a work environment.

But it is normaly the people with Ven/Mars in Sco,Ari,Lib & Tau placed in Venus & Mars that will have this loop.

In my case,that is true. Add to that my Mars on the cusp of the 7th from the 6th and Venus on the cusp of the 8th from the 7th. I feel like I do bring issues(Mars) in the relationship(Ven) somehow.

Nevermind desiring my partner weekly.lol. Its daily with me. If they don't want sex, I persuade them with oral sex or deep kissing sessions that have me "release".

Maybe the guilt i feel is also that I am being judged by them as a sex "freak" or being "insatiable". That alonecan have me repress having sex with them & masturbating to maintain the facade of being a "controlled gentleman".

Perhaps there is a reason for my Juno in Aries? The partner I can be committed to(Juno)is one that can stuff daily or even every other hour(Ari). No issues or questions asked.

Venus in Scorpio,Mars in Libra,Moon in Cancer in its own sign squaring the Mars and trine the Venus. A lot of the energy in my chart comes back to the Venus/Mars loop.

I think in your case the assertive approach you had with regards to your sex life in relationships(now cooled off) was governed by Leo energy. A strong "fixed" energy.

The ruler(Sun)is in Vir.And interestingly,
its on the cusp of "beauty" or the culmination of efforts made (Virgo) towards ultimate balance(Libra).

It is very powerful cardinal energy.The "ego"(Sun) begins its detachment from the self to make way for intellectual objectivity (The Sun is in its "fall" in Libra).Here the native is about "we" and not so much "I".

The completion of that is in my cusp(Sag-Cap) where the ego is non existent. Here principles override personality & responsibility are more important than recreation.

The ruler of Vir is Mercury.Have you followed where the dispositor chain from the Venus/Mars Leo leads to? It could add further clues as to why there is a "shift" in focus?

From the whole sign house,the entrance of Uranus in Taurus squares the conjunction by sign- interrupting the concentrated energies of the Venus/Mars mix. And it also conjuncts your Juno in Taurus.

It'll progressively get more concentrated when it reaches the close orb square w
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I.e Sporadic feelings, momentary impulses that throw you a curve ball etc.

Its interesting that you have Juno opp Sat and this is tye aspect you believe "stops " your sex life. As the current Uranus transit in Juno could result in changes with regards to what "commitment" is.

And I think that that is what Saturn in Scorpio is about(ironically).In that there are definitely psychological issues present that inhibit sexual intimacy or lack in emotional openness that stumps sexual intimacy from the mate.

posted January 29, 2020 01:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yes, it can be guilt, but it is thwarted or blocked in some way. It is immaterial if people like this fact or not. It is energy. The square is thwarted energy.

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Viewing this from my Moon/Mars square,I do see what you mean. The sensitivity of the Moons expression is blocked by "proper" Libra Mars with me. I wipe tears away quickly-dont let them flow.

And perhaps admittedly with a more judgemental and conservative partner, I withhold the intensity of Lust in Leo( the square).

But i think what is meant by Secret Geek and I is that it doesn't stay blocked. The cap explodes eventually and all comes out. And the awareness of the buildup creates an opportunity for conscious expression.

Perhaps its not as "graceful" as the trine/sextile etc. But it is conscious expression nevertheless. And maybe that's why I am asking about Lust. I want to attain the conscious expression of this energy.

Take for instance my Moon in Cancer square Mars in Lib.In my latter years (30 plus) I am being more open and vulnerable. I cry more openly and I don't get angry at myself for doing so-like I used to.

I know that if I don't express my emotions,I create a bottle-neck for a situation whose outcome could be downright violent(at worst).

This is growth.No? The square doesnt go away. But there is awareness on my end on how to utilise it better.

posted January 29, 2020 01:42 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Squares can manifest in many ways, they can block the flow between two planets or go to the other extreme and make it so the energy of one of those two planets is been expressed in excess...yes if you are up for the challenge and with a lot of self-reflection and mindfulness you can learn to integrate better the energy that these two planets are having a hard time expressing in a balanced way but to be clear it will be a long journey and lots of transits will have to also happen to facilitate this process and help polish the negative aspects of this aspect and like everything even challenging aspects have their strengths too from the start. Like for example, my husband with venus square mars conjunct uranus with venus ruling his chart is super creative and resourceful and I bet this aspect is part of the reason why this is the case.

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Indeed. Every aspect does have its plus.

The trine can have a negative manifestation in having the person become too relaxed and complacent.

I agree that the square agitates and invigorates those around it. But for the person who has it,they have NO other way to be.

It is through becoming conscious and taking self-responsibility for it,that one is better to deal with. And this takes a lifetime-it is never finished nor ever done.

posted January 29, 2020 01:44 AM            

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Originally posted by JoJo:
100% - there is no growth without challenge. I love opportunities to take a hard look at myself. It's not easy and it's not fun, but man... it's worth it!

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posted January 29, 2020 01:15 PM            

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Indeed. Every aspect does have its plus.

The trine can have a negative manifestation in having the person become too relaxed and complacent.

I agree that the square agitates and invigorates those around it. But for the person who has it,they have NO other way to be.

It is through becoming conscious and taking self-responsibility for it,that one is better to deal with. And this takes a lifetime-it is never finished nor ever done.

But everyday is an opportunity to sharpen who you REALLY are vs. Who you THINK you are. The square definitely rids you of the latter illusion time and again.

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posted January 29, 2020 06:59 PM            

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Do you have a lot of cardinal in your chart. Or perhaps a Moon that has squares to it?

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Haha... yes I do, as a matter of fact...

Moon Squares: Venus(9 deg), Saturn (2 deg), Uranus (10 deg), Chiron (7 deg), MC (10 deg)

Cardinal - Venus, Saturn, MC, Moon, Jupiter, ASC.

My boyfriend is very similar:

Moon squares: Venus (9 deg), Jupiter (4 deg)
Cardinal - ASC, Moon, Venus, Jupiter, MC

Perhaps all the squares in our relationship don't bother either one of us because we're so used to them within ourselves. One of the best things about us together is the challenge to grow. We've learned how to TALK to each other... the lessons weren't easy (in fact, they were quite painful), but we learned to be brave and approach each other from a place of understanding.

Now were feel safe enough with each other to say things like "Let's agree to disagree on this point" when we find we're going in circles.

Another great tactic we somehow came up with is the Free Zone - when one or the other of us needs to get something out but doesn't want to talk about it - we call a Free Zone. The person that calls the Free Zone gets to say whatever they want, and the other person just has to listen. There is no responding allowed - just listen... When the Free Zone is over (usually just a minute or two), we hug and kiss. One person feels like they've been heard, and the other person gains a little insight into something they've done (good or bad) that affected the other.

Incidentally, Free Zone started because neither one of us were ready to say "I love you", but it kept slipping out of both our mouths without meaning it. The pressure to hold it in was awful, so one night we'd had a couple drinks and one of us came up with the idea that we'd call a 30 second Free Zone where were could each say whatever we wanted to the other. There would be no judgment and we would never speak of it again. We did, blurted out our feelings, laughed our butts off, and realized that Free Zone was the most brilliant idea either one of us have ever come up with (neither one of us can remember who's idea it was in the first place, so we both claim it).

posted January 29, 2020 07:21 PM            

I treat sexual asteroids differently, than say for love asteroids.

The love asteroids, I don't want extra friction (trines, sextiles, etc. are OK).

With the sexual asteroids, the more friction the better.

The more friction, the more energy.

Even some energy from the surrounding vicinity outside of the two (or more) persons.

It works like a energy vacuum.

No new energy is created, just transferred.

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A harsh signature, say for an alcoholic, will always be there.

But the alcoholic might have found a workaround without using substitution.

So we can see the signatures, but don't know the status until knowing the person better.