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Topic: What would compel someone to attract/receive Nessus after Nessus in relationships?
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vansio
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posted September 24, 2020 06:19 AM
  
Opening a discussion on the topic of karmic implications of Nessus.Hypothetically, to have a Nessus relationship one after the other, in succession. i.e. a nessus synastry-conjunction to their Moon, then relationship with hardcore Nessus-Sun native, now a nessus synastry-conjunction to their Sun. powerful, relentless lil asteroid for some, even as a transit. compilation has been astounding to observe can’t stomach the asteroid interpersonally, the only aspect of Nessus in my own chart is a 2° trine to ASC/Mars, though I don’t think trine aspect counts mythologically, according to this page where it’s left out entirely. Repulsed by the asteroid, can sniff out its underlying activity fairly easily in others, perhaps after experiencing the transiting conjunction to my Sun five years ago. Although Nessus-like figures were in orbit, could never subconsciously relate to them in a way that felt mutual gratifying—in spite of being manipulated and betrayed by narcissists (this was in Los Angeles). At that time, I was scapegoated (hats off to Neptune in my 7th House), painted out to be the abuser. 🤦🏽♀️ Good riddance and thank god I knew better, knew myself, and eventually got out of there. the person in question, observation that sprung this topic, has zero aspects to Nessus and zero apsects to Dejanira natally, yet has perpetually involved himself with others who are deeply influenced by the duo (the other party’s own natal Nessus and/or Dejanira configurations taken into account.) The catch being slow-moving transiting Nessus has been opposing his natal Sun. Perhaps the opposition points to the compulsion, an externalized aspect. psychospiritually, what might the repeating receiving-end of the conjunction in synastry tell about deviation in a larger karmic-cycle? Could it be such a native under the influence of Nessus wishes to represent or incorporate the figure through others? quote:
Originally posted by Nessus and Pholus By Mary Plumb:
Nessus is connected to the ripening of cycles of karma, sometimes with a theme of inappropriate (or what appears to be inappropriate) sexual contact, or physical or psychological abuse.
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Originally posted by Nessus by Eric Francis:
Where Nessus is at work, you can look for a complex web of interrelation, a sequence of events where one thing leads to another but the pieces of the story don't necessarily seem connected. You may have to connect the dots and see the pattern for yourself.
There may be some form of abuse of trust, and it may be subtle -- until you see it clearly for what it is. An abuse pattern indicated by Nessus can be psychological, physical or sexual in nature; it can involve 'potentially inappropriate' [but not necessarily inappropriate] contact or behavior; and it can involve revenge. Nessus has themes that feel like the return of karma that may have an extremely long trajectory, like a boomerang that takes the long way around the world.
Actions have consequences, and once you notice those effects, you can almost always discover the source. Nessus is a very helpful diagnostic tool in handling situations with these themes of betrayal, deception, murder, sexual abuse and sexual infidelity. It works just as well to reveal something about where and how we've been hurt in the past, and how we're likely to hurt others -- and how we can heal that pattern and its resulting injuries.
Nessus refers to the power dynamics that underly any form of abuse -- vitally important themes today in the western world, as we discover we were all abused as kids. Power and abuse dynamics always appear in relationships first, then they appear in one's inner emotional patterning, and the relationship pattern of that lifetime. Nessus reminds us that physical abuse and psychological abuse work about the same way, and suggests that quite often psychological abuse is more insidious because so often we don't know it's happening, and we don't necessarily think it happened. Nessus can reveal what is invisible in an abuse pattern.
Maybe I’ve answered my own question by isolating the transit aspect, though the retributive negative quality is up for question. any early Virgos care to share their experience of Nessus right now? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 24, 2020 08:20 AM
First of all, there is something to a Nessus relationship that makes people crazy in their attraction. I have so many articles on this BECAUSE so many people come to me "mad and crazy in love". When I see this, I know it is Nessus before I even look at the chart.
The relationships start out as hot as horseradish(:/) and end up with someone breaking the glass of someone's car with a bat.Why is is such a sexual and abusive relationship? I think it is due to something deep inside people that came from childhood.
If you had one, you may not get into another. I had one and don't think I would get into another, but people can be deceived.------------------
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vansio
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posted September 24, 2020 10:23 AM
@Ami, if it relates to childhood, maybe those with vulnerable 4th Houses or dysfunctional Moons are more susceptible, in reason. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 24, 2020 01:15 PM
Everyone seems to have at least one Nessus relationship but I don't know everyone, so cannot say for sure  ------------------
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Chanterelle
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posted September 29, 2020 10:28 AM
Thanks for the rabbit hole!
From “The Redemption of Nessus” by Zane Stein http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/essays/redemption.html The most wonderful image about Nessus comes to me each time I read Josh Payne's words on how Frankenstein wanted to be loved by his creator. That sole image went beyond everything that has been said about Nessus, because it is human and alive, beyond the ugly monster of rationality trying to explain the depths of life, and it reached the infinite, taking me with it. Now I understand the process behind Nessus, and I don't reject it anymore. Now I can meet this guardian at the threshold, and see what it will say to me, about myself.
These are words by Peter T. Young (June 8, 1945 - June 19, 1998): Did you hear him? Listen...
I hear an Angel deep off in the brush....
Howling at the moon...
The Wolf...
Did you ever think...
Of the Wolf as an Angel?
God sends Angels of every form...
Protecting all that lives...
And the Wolf...
He is an Angel too....
Standing tall and stern upon the rocky cliff...
Singing with his roaring voice...
To the Heavens...
Making a call....
To God...
This Wolf...
He is an Angel...
Do not fear him...
Listen to the beast speak...
Frightening...
Alarming...
But tame in spirit...
Fighting to survive...
Among all that threatens his being...
No harm to you...
No harm to me...
The Wolf.....fighting to be set free... (PETER T. YOUNG) Once upon a time, my daughter made up a song:
God is always there-
He is always there to guide us,
He is always there to guide us.
He will brave your heart to danger
When you walk in the hills of the black-eyed wolf.
Oh, the black-eyed wolf,
Oh, the black-eyed wolf! IP: Logged |
mirage29
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posted September 29, 2020 11:37 AM
Beautiful, Chantrelle!QUOTE:--------------------
Once upon a time, my daughter made up a song:
God is always there-
He is always there to guide us,
He is always there to guide us.
He will brave your heart to danger
When you walk in the hills of the black-eyed wolf.
Oh, the black-eyed wolf,
Oh, the black-eyed wolf!
end/quote-------------------- (music) We Are Not Alone  Pepper Choplin, composer
(perf. by Grace-ful, from album 'Redemption', 2019)
[2:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW0Ik6LJrRQ
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mirage29
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posted September 29, 2020 11:45 AM
quote:
Originally posted by vansio:
🤦🏽♀️ Good riddance and thank god
I knew better, knew myself,
and eventually got out of there.
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Chanterelle
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posted September 29, 2020 06:36 PM
I am loving this guy Juan Antonio Revilla: The Centaurs and Passion http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/essays/passion.html
He relates that whole class of asteroids to wolves, not just Nessus. IP: Logged |
Chanterelle
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posted October 01, 2020 05:19 AM
Ooh Lordy what a rabbit hole! In following it, I finally found out how to plug in all these asteroids for free- have only encountered pay-us-to-send-you-a-chart versions until now. As it turns out, I have Dejanira closely conjunction my sun. Therefore, I feel obliged to shape her in my image:
For starters, there’s also a less well-known Dejanira: an Amazon who was killed in battle against Heracles during his quest to retrieve Queen Hyppolyta’s belt. She freely gave it to him, was dining on his ship, and the Amazon’s attacked because they believed a lie that Heracles was going to kidnap their queen.
The better-known Dejanira, who plays the ‘victim’ role apparently in Nessus’ tale, was a Calydonian princess who, as usual, had a parent who slighted an immortal. Result: Calydonian boar. A huntress named Atalanta was the star of the show when it came time to kill it; Dejanira’s brother Meleager awarded her the skin, his jealous uncles tried to steal it, he killed them and suffered for it. Dejanira, by the way, is described as a skilled charioteer.
So she sleeps with Heracles, maybe-maybe-not consensually, he promises to marry her but then takes off, she almost marries someone else (a river deity?) because her father is afraid not to agree, but then Heracles comes back in the nick of time and they run off together. In some versions he marries her because of a promise he made to her dead brother in the underworld.
I don’t know when or where this happens, but Nessus comes into the story at a river crossing: this is his place, and ferrying people across is what he does. He takes Dejanira across and has his way with her; Heracles shoots him from the other side with an arrow poisoned with Hydra venom (this figures in multiple centaur/Heracles interactions). Nessus tells Dejanira that the blood (plus poison, maybe plus semen) can be scraped off his cloak and smeared on Heracles’ cloak as a potion to keep him faithful. She saves it but doesn’t use it until many years later, after overlooking zillions of minor indiscretions, when she finally senses a real rival for her affections —someone Heracles had wanted to marry before, who was unavailable in some complicated way. So she smears the potion on his lion-skin cloak, and when he puts it on it kills him. In some versions she sees it fuming in the sunlight, realizes her mistake, and tries to warn him, but not quickly enough.
This does not feel at all like a victim-of-circumstance or victim-of-abuse narrative from my perspective. It feels like a character who is brave-lucky-reckless, a princess who doesn’t care for courtly functions, whose brother pays with his life for defying his family’s patriarchal customs. How do you leave that life behind? Marry into some other family or tribe, generally. Or try and hitch a ride out with a big strong hero on a quest, only to be told “It’s too dangerous out there— don’t worry, I’ll come back for you.” Not just impetuous but gullible. She’s probably pretty disillusioned by the time he does come back. She definitely doesn’t want to marry the river deity, though: he’s not even a regular merman, he can shape-shift into 2 other scary forms. Standing there at the river, weighing your options... Do you trust the centaur? What other choice is there?IP: Logged |
Chanterelle
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posted October 01, 2020 06:04 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Nessus by Eric Francis:
Where Nessus is at work, you can look for a complex web of interrelation, a sequence of events where one thing leads to another but the pieces of the story don't necessarily seem connected. You may have to connect the dots and see the pattern for yourself. Here’s what doesn’t add up: I was wondering even before I realized how much it could personally apply to me— How and why do Dejanira and Heracles get back together? Evidently he’s got issues with rivers, or they wouldn’t have needed Nessus’s help in the first place. But if he dies after taking Dejanira across the water, what happens next? And why does she take the potion/poison off his cloak? Care to elaborate on what a Nessus sun looks like, or what you would consider an afflicted moon in such a context?
I’ll go ahead and get deeply personal and say that I definitely have issues around being ‘seen’ as a victim of abuse. Ooowee hoop hoop hapwaah! There’s an owl making a racket as I type ‘seen’. I have definitely experienced a toxic/abusive relationship, but I was certainly not a passive victim and did a pretty good job living with the consequences of my own impulsive leaps of faith. However... I have definitely repeated a similar cycle, though less toxic and of much longer duration. I find it striking that both this SO and another significant male figure have ex-wives who were victims of much more serious physical assault— both hit in the head with a baseball bat, as a matter of fact. My 1st house Mars in Sagittarius warns of blows to the head. I have never felt physically intimidated by either one, but have felt towards both at least a few fleeting moments of “Don’t even think about treating me like a damsel in distress!” Another common thread in my only two long-term relationships: both men had a moment of ridiculously overblown jealousy involving my willingness to trust a man other than them about something important. The first time was a warning that went unheeded; the second time marked the end. IP: Logged |
Chanterelle
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posted October 01, 2020 06:17 AM
I should clarify: hit by some other man, not the ones who are significant to me. They were both ‘rescuers’: my SO married his damsel and divorced after less than a year. Other guy’s wife cheated on him, they divorced, he rescued her from a different guy and sent her home to her parents.IP: Logged | |
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