posted March 29, 2021 04:27 PM            

I ask this here as well because Ami, I know you're a Christian and so am I. We have been going to a new church recently, only been there 2-3 times. Yesterday in church after the service the pastor came up to talk to my family. We have never talked to him before and he doesn't really know us. Then he said he had been watching our daughter and felt called by the Lord to say something to her specifically. He said she has the gift of "intercession" but she doesn't understand it or the weight of it right now. He told her that she "has a caring and considerate heart for other people and that she is other-centered. She can sense things in other people, and feel other peoples' pain and sadness. She feels things others are going through and as a result she wants to fix other people and ends up carrying some of their burdens as well which can bring down her spirit. She should not do this though, and should do nothing more than to intercede in prayer on their behalf and then completely transfer the weight of it onto the Lord. Once she starts praying for people and situations that she feels led to and starts seeing the actual results, it will give her more confidence in her gift and help her understand it better."

Here is her natal chart:

NOTE - her name is Molly, and I used the Molleigh asteroid. Ami, I figured you might know of some other cool asteroids I could plug in that might give me a better picture. Also, what do you make of her Deja/Nessus?

Any thoughts on what could be involved here would be much appreciated!

posted March 30, 2021 04:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yes the moon conj kali makes him super sensitive to anything including feelings and vibes. Also the chiron con asc and nn shows likely pain from bullying and as bad as this is these things can make a very very special person. So glad you are a Christian!!

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Thank you Ami! I have some thoughts on her Dejanira, Nessus and Chiron but would love input on that as well. From the looks of her chart, you would think that SHE was the one abusing or getting abused with her Nessus and Chiron on her AC. But that's not the case at all. On the contrary, she is loved very dearly by everyone in her life and not bullied or victimized at all. However, she has a big victim complex (Deja conjunct SN)? I think she's picking up on other peoples' pain, abuse and sadness and thinking it's her own emotions.

She has a HUGE heart for people and animals in abusive type situations. She has always been able to pick up on signs and signals that someone is being abused. There have been a few times where she has seen a child nearby us get physically or verbally abused when no one else present around has seen it. At first, we thought she was just imagining it. She would get very very upset with us when we didn't see it and questioned her making it up. She has Mercury square Jupiter which I've heard can make someone prone to exaggeration?

She mothers me a lot and thinks that I'm getting abused verbally quite a bit from my husband when we are only having disagreements. She takes this very personally and internalizes it deeply.

I did some digging today and found some pretty cool asteroids in play. She has moon/Kaali/Vertex/Circe/Akashi conjunction in Virgo 7th house. These are opposite her Antivertex/Siva/Reiki/Telephus conjunction in Pisces 1st house. She has Anubis conjunct her Molleigh/MC/Venus/Psyche/Pholus. Her Kassandra in Gemini, AC/Chiron/NN/Magion in Aqua and her Mercury/Horus/Wisdom in Libra form a grand trine in air. She has Pallas trine Neptune. She has Isis conjunct Mars in Scorpio.

posted March 30, 2021 06:42 PM            

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posted March 31, 2021 10:00 AM            

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Originally posted by AmberMoon:
Thank you Ami! I have some thoughts on her Dejanira, Nessus and Chiron but would love input on that as well. From the looks of her chart, you would think that SHE was the one abusing or getting abused with her Nessus and Chiron on her AC. But that's not the case at all. On the contrary, she is loved very dearly by everyone in her life and not bullied or victimized at all. However, she has a big victim complex (Deja conjunct SN)? I think she's picking up on other peoples' pain, abuse and sadness and thinking it's her own emotions.

My Kaali is also conjunct her AC in Aqua.

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Chiron and Nessus are kind of similar, but it doesnt necessarily mean when on the AC that they are a victim of abuse, it could also be someone seen as healing the abused (or being an abuser). Sounds like the people in her environment already view her as having healing capacities.
Dejanira on the Dc I see as attracting victims. It seems like she is even looking for it.

You may also look up these asteroids:
(849) Ara - Relief; aid.
(100731) Ara Pacis (The Ara Pacis Augustae is an altar in Rome dedicated to Pax, the Roman goddess of Peace.)
(1932) janski
asteroid Jansky signifies broadcasting, divine revelation or the perception of such, receiving "messages from beyond" (channeling, communicating with the gods, hear voices from beyond or receiving some sort of mystic revelation), losing oneself, expressing innate gifts.
(4679) Sybil - Priestess with Psychic Powers
(870) Manto - prophecy
(148780) Altjira - prophetic dreams
(116) Sirona - Healing Goddess of fertility, water

posted March 31, 2021 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by astri:
Chiron and Nessus are kind of similar, but it doesnt necessarily mean when on the AC that they are a victim of abuse, it could also be someone seen as healing the abused (or being an abuser). Sounds like the people in her environment already view her as having healing capacities.
Dejanira on the Dc I see as attracting victims. It seems like she is even looking for it.

You may also look up these asteroids:
(849) Ara - Relief; aid.
(100731) Ara Pacis (The Ara Pacis Augustae is an altar in Rome dedicated to Pax, the Roman goddess of Peace.)
(1932) janski
asteroid Jansky signifies broadcasting, divine revelation or the perception of such, receiving "messages from beyond" (channeling, communicating with the gods, hear voices from beyond or receiving some sort of mystic revelation), losing oneself, expressing innate gifts.
(4679) Sybil - Priestess with Psychic Powers
(870) Manto - prophecy
(148780) Altjira - prophetic dreams
(116) Sirona - Healing Goddess of fertility, water

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posted April 01, 2021 09:02 AM            

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Originally posted by AmberMoon:
Oooh, cool, thank you! So, she has Sybil in the grand air trine conjunct Mercury/Horus/Wisdom - pretty cool. That's about it for her, but I had an intuitive nudge to check my chart and noticed I have Pallas conjunct Sybil, Jansky conjunct Venus, Altjira opposite Pluto, and Sirona conjunct Sun all EXACT. My Manto is exactly conjunct her big MC/Molleigh/Psyche/Pholus/Venus/Anubis conjunction. Didn't mean to make it about me, LOL!

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Ah so does that mean you are psychic yourself?
There's also :

erda (894) - means the “seer” is someone who knows the origin and outcome of everything, someone with psychic gifs, a medium, aclairvoyant

Asteroid Pythia # 432 is one of the foremost asteroids that points to talent in divination. Pythia was the name of the group of priestesses who prophesied at the temple at Delphi.

posted April 01, 2021 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by astri:
Ah so does that mean you are psychic yourself?
There's also :

erda (894) - means the “seer” is someone who knows the origin and outcome of everything, someone with psychic gifs, a medium, aclairvoyant

Asteroid Pythia # 432 is one of the foremost asteroids that points to talent in divination. Pythia was the name of the group of priestesses who prophesied at the temple at Delphi.

(73769) Delphi
(114) Kassandra
Cassandra or Kassandra, was a priestess of Apollo in Greek mythology cursed to utter true prophecies, but never to be believed. In modern usage her name is employed as a rhetorical device to indicate someone whose accurate prophecies are not believed.
and (167) Urda - The Seer of the ‘past'

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@astri,
yes, I accredit these little stars to be truly adding flavor to our charts. Like co stars in a play. They help the stories along the way! I have a (0) cnj between Erda+Teller (fortune teller*) They are in the pineal g. sign (of my vedic). Aspect other key players. now the tr it's in 9th, spiritual house. I won't hijack the thread but glad to see others seriously exploring them.

PS - sharing a cpl obscure ones (I think),
Navi - 218998
- http://www.britannica.com/topic/navi

posted April 03, 2021 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
@astri,
yes, I accredit these little stars to be truly adding flavor to our charts. Like co stars in a play. They help the stories along the way! I have a (0) cnj between Erda+Teller (fortune teller*) They are in the pineal g. sign (of my vedic). Aspect other key players. now the tr it's in 9th, spiritual house. I won't hijack the thread but glad to see others seriously exploring them.

PS - sharing a cpl obscure ones (I think),
Navi - 218998
- http://www.britannica.com/topic/navi

Pathak 12509 - (mine is exact in cnj Jupiter Scorpio 12) http://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A0%E0%A4%95

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Ok cool!
Thanks for these newbies btw, I think they fit into this string (with yours added, that makes 10 asteroids related to teaching/counseling/messenger :

counselman, mentor,titulaer, metis, themis, vangelis, ragazza, messenger, navi, pathak
3528,3451,12133,9,24,6354,1839,7861,218998,12509

A little explanation: some of these asteroids speak for themselves, but

(9) Metis was a Greek Goddess most commonly associated with prudence and wisdom; she was known as the “wise counselor”

and (24) Themis is an asteroid that is about wisdom, “good counsel”, divine order, and natural law.
According to one source: “Themis is untranslatable. A gift of the gods and a mark of civilized existence, sometimes it means right custom, proper procedure, social order, and sometimes merely the will of the gods (as revealed by an omen, for example) with little of the idea of right.”
(copy/pasted from somewhere , so not my quote: ) "I’ve personally found that Themis people are upstanding and honourable. Sometimes they have ‘seeing’/clairvoyant skills: Themis was one of the famous oracles of Delphi. Themis is also connected to the three “Moira” fates: Klotho, Lachesis and Atropos."

Vangelis 6354 : messenger who brings good news

Ragazza 1839 : (Arabic) 'Messenger, courier '

posted April 05, 2021 05:07 AM            

So she has Titulaer in her big conjunction with Molleigh/MC/Anubis/Venus/Psyche/Pholus, Themis is conjunct her Mercury/Horus/Wisdom/Sybil, Ragazza conjunct Neptune, and Messenger/Navi conjunct her POF.

posted January 07, 2022 06:22 PM            

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Originally posted by astri:
Ok cool!
Thanks for these newbies btw, I think they fit into this string (with yours added, that makes 10 asteroids related to teaching/counseling/messenger :

counselman, mentor,titulaer, metis, themis, vangelis, ragazza, messenger, navi, pathak
3528,3451,12133,9,24,6354,1839,7861,218998,12509

A little explanation: some of these asteroids speak for themselves, but

(9) Metis was a Greek Goddess most commonly associated with prudence and wisdom; she was known as the “wise counselor”

and (24) Themis is an asteroid that is about wisdom, “good counsel”, divine order, and natural law.
According to one source: “Themis is untranslatable. A gift of the gods and a mark of civilized existence, sometimes it means right custom, proper procedure, social order, and sometimes merely the will of the gods (as revealed by an omen, for example) with little of the idea of right.”
(copy/pasted from somewhere , so not my quote: ) "I’ve personally found that Themis people are upstanding and honourable. Sometimes they have ‘seeing’/clairvoyant skills: Themis was one of the famous oracles of Delphi. Themis is also connected to the three “Moira” fates: Klotho, Lachesis and Atropos."

Vangelis 6354 : messenger who brings good news

Ragazza 1839 : (Arabic) 'Messenger, courier '

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Astri,

Fascinating. I hadn't seen your response until I searched for Themis 24. You posted such awesome info on her.

In my natal I have 2 powerful Justice ladies inside sign of Libra (scales of justice). Moira and Nike are two atm I haven't my other notes but very similar and aligned energies sit on my Libra MC. I just have learned my date is rep by Themis. More Justice. I think my scales if justice are my purpose.
Yes, clairvoyance (which until now I thought was from other criteria) does hold truth me thinks. Yet there's no on/off switch. Distraction can assist though. My understanding of my "why" is becoming clear though. As having these abilities, we never see ourselves so easily, these gifts we are given. They seem to work outwardly moreso. Or maybe for me because this is Libra - where she resides. "The other" ...

Being "fair, balanced" is something some in my life have recognized. Perhaps this is from these qualities living in my Libra, house of scales region.

Currently in transit she (Themselves s 24) is visiting my Pallas in my natal C.